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    Quote Originally Posted by Generalissimo View Post
    If so, it seems like they made it to the right place on time anyway, considering the high correlation between steppe ancestry, R1a and the upper castes in India.

    No other group has made such a big impact on the genetic structure of male Indian upper castes, despite its relatively recent arrival in South Asia.
    Please educate yourself. The blogger on eurogenes posted on April 20, 2017:

    I'm betting they'll be modeled as well over 50% Steppe_EMBA or Yamnaya-related. In other words, similar to the Kalasha people of the Hindu Kush, but even more Yamnaya-like. Exciting times ahead.
    Which turned out to be true. Naysayers like you are uneducated on the steppe theory (can't be falsified) - ignoring the genetic evidence one can simply point to the evidence of dog sacrifice in Srubnaya and 1 for 1 depictions in the Rig Veda (read David Anthony if you actually want to learn). There's also necklaces made of dog teeth in Sintastha, again another clear link between Srubnaya dog sacrifice, Rig Veda dog sacrifice.

    These are exciting times ahead and now the DNA evidence can also be thrown into the pile of evidence supporting the steppe theory (kulturkugel, dog sacrifice, chariots etc.)

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    Lol @ IrishKing.

    The Swat IronAge samples had even lower steppe than modern NW populations including Brahmins of North India. And the Swat did not have ANY R1a until 300 BCE lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by sourenaair View Post
    Thanks, haven't been able to find a BMAC sample , do you know of any such kit ?
    The upcoming K36 BA/IA calculator at GenePlaza.com is the 1st ADMIXTURE based calculator to have 2 BMAC components; Dzharkutan-BA and Sappali-Tepe-BA, along with 5 Scythian/Sarmatian/Hun components and several MLBA steppe components. You can check
    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....ator-GenePlaza

    and pg3 of the thread to see how Kurds and other W Asians scored

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    Quote Originally Posted by poi View Post
    Kalash have the highest steppe and they are pretty low on R1a as well. But, at least with the brahmins, R1a and steppe are pretty much correlated. It is indeed interesting and an enigma. This would have been a non-issue if those Swat folks had higher Steppe and even a few R1as... but dozens of samples from the early IronAge without any R1a? Swat IA even had Es, R1bs, and every goddamn ydna except for R1a lol
    Pretty sure that R1b is spurious.

    Many of the Y-DNA calls in that preprint are obviously wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Generalissimo View Post
    Pretty sure that R1b is spurious.

    Many of the Y-DNA calls in that preprint are obviously wrong.
    Do you suspect if those early SWAT would have R1a after the peer review? Calling R1b doesnt look like a typo as the keyboard has 'a' pretty far away from 'b'. Joking aside, apologies if this is a basic question, why would they call obviously wrong haplogroups in the preprint? Not just of one samples but for DOZENS of them? Haplogroup (Eurafrican?) E is the biggest mystery to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poi View Post
    Do you suspect if those early SWAT would have R1a after the peer review? Calling R1b doesnt look like a typo as the keyboard has 'a' pretty far away from 'b'. Joking aside, apologies if this is a basic question, why would they call obviously wrong haplogroups in the preprint? Not just of one samples but for DOZENS of them? Haplogroup (Eurafrican?) E is the biggest mystery to me.
    Haplo E kind of WHG is present big in Nairs, Kammas, Chandravanshis Kshtriyas, Punjab Khatri, Dardic, PJL samples, Muslims etc... all over South Asia
    Y: H1a1a4b3b1a8 Yfull id-> YF83218
    Medals->Hidden Content
    mtDNA:U2a1a2
    G25 Ancients Dist 1.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2 88.4 MAR_Taforalt 2.6NPL_Mebrak 5
    VK2020_SWE_Gotland_VA 4 Hidden Content

    Lactose Persistence rs3213871 rs4988243 rs4988183 rs3769005 rs2236783
    found -> DA125, Kangju

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    Quote Originally Posted by poi View Post
    Kalash have the highest steppe and they are pretty low on R1a as well. But, at least with the brahmins, R1a and steppe are pretty much correlated. It is indeed interesting and an enigma. This would have been a non-issue if those Swat folks had higher Steppe and even a few R1as... but dozens of samples from the early IronAge without any R1a? Swat IA even had Es, R1bs, and every goddamn ydna except for R1a lol
    well put ! so many unanswered questions and these swat samples challenge a lot of preconceived notions that Aryans/steppes etc. were R1a. Too many missing links!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saad2016 View Post
    well put ! so many unanswered questions and these swat samples challenge a lot of preconceived notions that Aryans/steppes etc. were R1a. Too many missing links!
    Quote Originally Posted by poi View Post
    Do you suspect if those early SWAT would have R1a after the peer review? Calling R1b doesnt look like a typo as the keyboard has 'a' pretty far away from 'b'. Joking aside, apologies if this is a basic question, why would they call obviously wrong haplogroups in the preprint? Not just of one samples but for DOZENS of them? Haplogroup (Eurafrican?) E is the biggest mystery to me.
    Their methods are off. That R1b will be an R1a or R2 in the next version. Don't know about the Es.

    But in any case, there was R1a-Z645 already in the Ferghana Valley during the Bronze Age in people who looked like they came straight from the steppe, so it's not exactly surprising to see so much steppe admixture and R1a-Z645 in Indians today, especially in Brahmins.

    Overall everything fits. Only the details are left to be worked out. So any sort of denial or pointless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Generalissimo View Post
    Their methods are off. That R1b will be an R1a or R2 in the next version. Don't know about the Es.

    But in any case, there was R1a-Z645 already in the Ferghana Valley during the Bronze Age in people who looked like they came straight from the steppe, so it's not exactly surprising to see so much steppe admixture and R1a-Z645 in Indians today, especially in Brahmins.

    Overall everything fits. Only the details are left to be worked out. So any sort of denial or pointless.
    We need to make sure SouthAsian steppe+R1a was indeed IndoAryan and not Eastern Iranics like Saka and Kushans moving in after 300 BCE. Why would Swat Valley Iron Age be lower steppe than today's populations? And Ferghana Valley was the neighboring town's parking lot, metaphorically speaking, not the Swat-y night club where all the action was.

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    @Poi Those Kashkarachi nomads are useless wrt to Indo Aryans, its far too late, but related peoples migrate to Western China than back, when the Chinese and Proto Altaics/Turks kick them out. That Dzarkhutan girl from 4000 years ago is interesting she is the earliest mix of Steppe and roughly 15% Irula like mixture.
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