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    Quote Originally Posted by subzero85 View Post
    I'm a v3 customer. Got tested eight years ago.

    Curious if I will get the new update.
    I'm V4, didn't get it. All my V5 kits got it. Most likely we won't or maybe next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pakistani View Post
    What would be realistic/feasible subdivisions of the "Northern Indian & Pakistani" category? I.E. are the various ethnic groups like Punjabi, Sindhi, Kashmiri, Pahari, etc. distinguishable? Or would it be more along the lines of caste, like Brahmin as you mentioned?
    First off, they haven't changed their reference sources: Screen Shot 2020-10-26 at 4.56.46 PM.png. Other more informed members can comment on the type of samples available on these publicity available datasets but from what Razib has written on his blog they are not the best reference datasets for South Asians specific sample. Obviously, more customers from South Asian background will increase their dataset, which I think is the main source of change in this update.
    In terms of categories, I mean it would depend on 1) demand: most customers being South Asians from certain socioeconomic background, with a real interest in ancestry. 2) which category they have the most reference samples of: I think there should be enough Brahmin samples in the reference dataset to make them a distinct category. I think geography based groups would be easily distinguishable as we have seen, people in NW Punjab tend to follow a certain trend on Harrapaworld in terms of admixture (except for a few groups that follow a different trend).

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    My 23andme results now has me as 99.9% northern Indian & Pakistani. It has, however, given most of my fully Kashmiri Pandit relatives higher central Asian and WANA, even higher than most (I think all) south Asians with actual known foreign ancestry. I am very very skeptical of this new update for multiple reasons. Iíve attached my moms results next to one of our relatives who is a full Kashmiri pandit scoring 15%(!) central Asian when she was previously lower than my previous results (where I was scoring 8%, 4% of which stayed at 90% confidence). Whereas my dads side is one of the very few Kashmiri pandit families that has some record of marrying outside the community, this would be very unusual for most. Anyway, Iíll attach a couple more but this one seems especially strange given how high her central Asian has skyrocketed after this update with no known foreign ancestry.

    Edit: not 15, sheís at 16% central Asian. Iím related to her on both sides of my family and those sides are fully Kashmiri pandit as we know which has me thinking this update has really screwed up certain south Asian results.
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    One more that’s more typical of most of my Kashmiri pandit relatives: 733088D0-DB53-4E55-ADE0-D6E535D013D3.jpeg

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    Quote Originally Posted by sah99 View Post
    I might be completely off with this take because Iím still an amateur at this stuff but I have the sense that 23andme is still having trouble with the Iranian component baked into NI/Pakistani genetics. Iíve noticed a lot of NI/Pakistanis get arbitrary WANA percentages from Iran specifically and a lot of it seemed like recombined ancient DNA.

    But Iíve also noticed this, ďphenomenaĒ if you will, occur quite often with Muslim NI/Pakistani results. So I think thereís a signal in those type of results that 23andme hasnít quite sorted out yet hence the seemingly arbitrary assigning of WANA values at times. Interestingly enough, many Muslims from these regions often claim some sort of WANA ancestry. Whether that ancestry is valid or even recent still seems to be a mystery.
    I tend to agree with this viewpoint. There appears to be insufficient sampling from NW South Asia (more specifically Pakistan) that seems to be causing Iranian related ancestry to be inflated. I have no known Iranian ancestry and yet 23&me seems to think that I have a full Iranian ancestor from the 19th century.


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    Quote Originally Posted by heksindhi View Post
    I tend to agree with this viewpoint. There appears to be insufficient sampling from NW South Asia (more specifically Pakistan) that seems to be causing Iranian related ancestry to be inflated. I have no known Iranian ancestry and yet 23&me seems to think that I have a full Iranian ancestor from the 19th century.

    Is it common in Sindhis to show Sub-Saharan African ancestry?

    Many of the HGDP Sindhi samples have Sub-Saharan maternal haplogroups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by subzero85 View Post
    Is it common in Sindhis to show Sub-Saharan African ancestry?

    Many of the HGDP Sindhi samples have Sub-Saharan maternal haplogroups.
    I doubt that its very common in the larger Sindhi population, although traces should be detectable all the way up to Multan. The HGDP samples are from Karachi, so its likely that a good portion of them are from Lasbela or the coastal regions of Sindh. There is a sizable population of Sindhis of African descent (Sheedis) in the southern/coastal regions . I attached an article in a previous thread that documented the extent of the slave trade in Sindh in the late 18th/early 19th centuries #695115
    Keep in mind that we have records from Karachi because it had been occupied by the British in 1839, however the numbers are probably larger than recorded as Karachi, in that period, was a smaller port than other ports like Shah Bandar and Sokhi Bandar which were not under British control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heksindhi View Post
    I tend to agree with this viewpoint. There appears to be insufficient sampling from NW South Asia (more specifically Pakistan) that seems to be causing Iranian related ancestry to be inflated. I have no known Iranian ancestry and yet 23&me seems to think that I have a full Iranian ancestor from the 19th century.

    Would you mind sharing your full results/dm? I have Nigerian too and I've often wondered if some of the Zanj that made it to Iran/South Asia were of my westerly origin as opposed to entirely Bantu. Do you have any African haplogroups?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThaYamamoto View Post
    Would you mind sharing your full results/dm? I have Nigerian too and I've often wondered if some of the Zanj that made it to Iran/South Asia were of my westerly origin as opposed to entirely Bantu. Do you have any African haplogroups?
    I don't have any African haplogroups. My West African/Nigerian has been decreasing with the various iterations of 23&me results. Southern East African has gone up to compensate. I'm currently at 2.3% Sub-Saharan African with only 0.4% as Nigerian

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    I didn't match the "Gujarati Patidar" reference they have at all, but their algorithm does detect a "highly likely match" to Gujarat for the South Asian component.

    Unlike Ancestry.com, 23andme detects some significant West Asian. Based on g25 and harappa the West Asian component should be much higher, although I doubt it is mostly less than a few hundred years old.
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