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    Quote Originally Posted by Mando1 View Post
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    Thank you to all for your comments. I have uploaded my MorleyDNA and Cladefinder results above. I hope the images work otherwise I will try again from home. Sorry about the screenshots.

    I will post my GEDmatch results under the GED thread.

    So my surname is "Rama" which is my paternal village. It should actually be spelled Ranwan/Ranwa. It is in Jullunder district close to Phillaur. It was likely misspelled when my grandfather left Punjab for the UK in the 1960's. At that time, it was common for Punjabi immigrants to use their village names as their surnames. However, now that my grandparents generation have passed on, and my parental generation only have limited knowledge, any family clan/gotra history has been lost. Some relatives have mentioned that we may be Shergill or Aujla because of neighbouring villages but I have been unable to follow up on any of these claims. AncestryDNA results have only turned up 4th cousins and beyond. I'm also going to try 23&me.
    There's some text at the bottom of the YSEQ Clade Finder screenshot you posted which is obscured. If it says something along the lines of "Next best prediction (scored * compared to *) [ J-M410 ]" then it looks like you come somewhere under J-PF4610 (or at least J-M410, which is directly above J-PF4610), judging by MorleyDNA showing dozens of positive Y-SNP calls upstream of J-PF4610 (i.e. within IJK, IJ, J, J2, J2a).
    YFull: YF72440 (FTDNA - IN41220)

    Ancestral Haplos (Punjabi Jatt):
    * Father: R2-M479 > M124 > V1180 > SK2142 > Y1379 > Y1383 > Y154920 (xZ6135) - M5a1a-G9064A (185G)
    * Maternal Uncle: R1b-M343 > M269 > Z2103 > Z2109 > Y14416 > Y35099 > Y84821 - U7a3a-A9852G > G6150A > C15433T
    * MGMs MGF: R1a-Z93 > Y7 - ?

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    Responding to Laltota:

    I remember reading that back in the 1960’s people would just use the village name because it was fashionable at the time and everyone in the social circle already would have known your background. But, my family is the only one out of my extended family in the UK or Canada that uses the village name so you have a good point.

    Any passed down family knowledge of our family name is now gone and those left do not know. Hopefully I can figure something out thru extended matches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronbee2010 View Post
    There's some text at the bottom of the YSEQ Clade Finder screenshot you posted which is obscured. If it says something along the lines of "Next best prediction (scored * compared to *) [ J-M410 ]" then it looks like you come somewhere under J-PF4610 (or at least J-M410, which is directly above J-PF4610), judging by MorleyDNA showing dozens of positive Y-SNP calls upstream of J-PF4610 (i.e. within IJK, IJ, J, J2, J2a).
    Thanks for looking at that. I'll run it again on Morley to see the text at the bottom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mando1 View Post
    Thanks for looking at that. I'll run it again on Morley to see the text at the bottom.
    The MorleyDNA screenshot looks fine to me. I was referring to the YSEQ Clade Finder screenshot you posted initially.
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    * Father: R2-M479 > M124 > V1180 > SK2142 > Y1379 > Y1383 > Y154920 (xZ6135) - M5a1a-G9064A (185G)
    * Maternal Uncle: R1b-M343 > M269 > Z2103 > Z2109 > Y14416 > Y35099 > Y84821 - U7a3a-A9852G > G6150A > C15433T
    * MGMs MGF: R1a-Z93 > Y7 - ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronbee2010 View Post
    The MorleyDNA screenshot looks fine to me. I was referring to the YSEQ Clade Finder screenshot you posted initially.
    Oops... sorry. I'll run it again and post. I need your expert input to translate it for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronbee2010 View Post
    The MorleyDNA screenshot looks fine to me. I was referring to the YSEQ Clade Finder screenshot you posted initially.
    Haplogroup - Cladefinder.PNG

    I ran Cladefinder/YSEQ again and have attached the screenshot with the last line.

    If my haplogroup is J-M410 based on YSEQ interpretation of my AncestryDNA test, would that mean that I'm definitely not related to a hypothesized distant but paternal Y-chromosome relative that is L1a2 through their 23&me test?

    Thanks again to everyone that has shared their expertise and advice with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mando1 View Post
    Hello all, I'm new to this forum and just received my Ancestry results. It shows the following:

    Central Asia South - 56%
    North India - 44%

    Communities - Punjab & Western India

    This seems accurate as I've always been told I'm from a Jatt Sikh background (I have an uncommon surname from both sides - village name and unsure of gotra).

    I uploaded my info to MorleyDNA and it showed my Y-Haplogroup as J2aLi (J2-L88). I don't know much about genetics, but how accurate would you say these haplogroup results are for Ancestry's uploaded raw data compared to another company like 23&me? I have a hypothesized distant paternal uncle (perhaps shared great great great grandfather) who tested on 23&me but has a different haplogroup (L1a2).
    He is also shown as DNA relative for me on 23andMe with surname Rama yDna haplogroup L-M357 (L1a2) and mtDna M5a2a. He noted his maternal grandfather is from the village which is right next to our village. There is also a female DNA relative on 23andMe with same surname who is probably related to him. Both are from Vancouver, BC.

    On AncestryDna my wife has a DNA relative surname Rama from Brampton, Ontario who is her possible "5th to 8th Cousin".

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    Quote Originally Posted by laltota View Post
    He is also shown as DNA relative for me on 23andMe with surname Rama yDna haplogroup L-M357 (L1a2) and mtDna M5a2a. He noted his maternal grandfather is from the village which is right next to our village. There is also a female DNA relative on 23andMe with same surname who is probably related to him. Both are from Vancouver, BC.

    On AncestryDna my wife has a DNA relative surname Rama from Brampton, Ontario who is her possible "5th to 8th Cousin".
    THanks for the info. I guess I'll find out when I get my 23&me results, although I'm doubting a match now given the haplogoup difference.

    Haha!!! I'm pretty sure your wife's Ancestry relative from Brampton is me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mando1 View Post
    Haplogroup - Cladefinder.PNG

    I ran Cladefinder/YSEQ again and have attached the screenshot with the last line.

    If my haplogroup is J-M410 based on YSEQ interpretation of my AncestryDNA test, would that mean that I'm definitely not related to a hypothesized distant but paternal Y-chromosome relative that is L1a2 through their 23&me test?

    Thanks again to everyone that has shared their expertise and advice with me.
    Honestly, I would say you're J-PF4610 if I had to guess, as it's directly upstream of J-L26 which is a prevalent subclade in many parts of the world including South Asia. Your 23andMe should hopefully resolve this for you, so there's no need to guess here. If you plan on using other sites such as FTDNA, MyHeritage or LivingDNA then bear in mind they accept uploaded files from other sites; your AncestryDNA file should give more accurate data for them so I would use that one.

    If you're interested in further refinement of your Y-DNA subclade, your best bets are either a Sanger sequencing test from YSEQ (or FTDNA if you already plan on finding your Y-STRs) or a sequencing test, although the latter is expensive.

    Finally, while you and your L-M357 23andMe relative may share autosomal DNA, you two aren't related at all on your patrilineal lines.
    YFull: YF72440 (FTDNA - IN41220)

    Ancestral Haplos (Punjabi Jatt):
    * Father: R2-M479 > M124 > V1180 > SK2142 > Y1379 > Y1383 > Y154920 (xZ6135) - M5a1a-G9064A (185G)
    * Maternal Uncle: R1b-M343 > M269 > Z2103 > Z2109 > Y14416 > Y35099 > Y84821 - U7a3a-A9852G > G6150A > C15433T
    * MGMs MGF: R1a-Z93 > Y7 - ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronbee2010 View Post
    Honestly, I would say you're J-PF4610 if I had to guess, as it's directly upstream of J-L26 which is a prevalent subclade in many parts of the world including South Asia. Your 23andMe should hopefully resolve this for you, so there's no need to guess here. If you plan on using other sites such as FTDNA, MyHeritage or LivingDNA then bear in mind they accept uploaded files from other sites; your AncestryDNA file should give more accurate data for them so I would use that one.

    If you're interested in further refinement of your Y-DNA subclade, your best bets are either a Sanger sequencing test from YSEQ (or FTDNA if you already plan on finding your Y-STRs) or a sequencing test, although the latter is expensive.

    Finally, while you and your L-M357 23andMe relative may share autosomal DNA, you two aren't related at all on your patrilineal lines.
    Thanks for deciphering all that for me. I'll wait for my 23&me results for a start and then see where to go from there. I was hoping that the L2a1/L-M357 relative could have been a lead. I know it's not a big deal nowadays, but would be nice to figure out my real clan/gotra. Thanks for all the help.
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