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    Possible Suebi descent?

    Hello all! I'm new to forum but I was interested in doing an investigation that goes back a bit further on my ancestry with most of it being Iberian. My paternal halogroup is R-M405 which from what i understand in regards to Iberia is found mainly in the north and was brought by the suebi tribes which migrated and settled north in that region.

    To give some more context about myself, I also seemed to have a good deal of galician ancestry on both sides of my family as ancestrydna updated with me and both of my parents having my portuguese range higher than Spaniard portion which is most likely to be through my theorized galician side since galicia and Portugal genetically and linguistically overlap with each other.

    Now the discrepancy here is that my family is puerto rican and we have no recent Portuguese family that we know of. From what I know about puerto rican migration is that there were a good number of galician migrants to the island and so that's were my hypthesis comes from in regards to my galician ancestry. So in short, is it possibly to assume that that the R-M405 on my paternal halogroup came from possible suebi invaders? Thank you for your input


    Here is my euro k15 closest population approximation from gedmatch

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Portuguese 12.728664
    2 Spanish_Extremadura 12.818033
    3 Spanish_Murcia 13.270893
    4 Spanish_Galicia 13.334726
    5 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 13.418543
    6 Spanish_Cataluna 13.969191
    7 Spanish_Andalucia 14.707794
    8 North_Italian 14.769558
    9 Spanish_Valencia 14.849102
    10 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 15.242348
    11 Spanish_Cantabria 15.308724
    12 Southwest_French 16.300249
    13 Spanish_Aragon 16.689562
    14 French 17.180973
    15 Tuscan 19.045301
    16 Serbian 20.409477
    17 South_Dutch 20.743446
    18 Romanian 21.502945
    19 Austrian 21.732723
    20 Bulgarian 22.312880

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    Suebi Kingdom Portugal 1143 Portugal 1485 Portugal Order of Christ Brazilian Empire Brazil
    Welcome. You should test your R-M405 to discover what's your specific branch via FTDNA Big Y or FGC. You can find your place here https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-U106/
    It looks like you had ancestors in the Western side of Iberia, I have seen several cases of Hispanics with connections to Extremadura or Portugal. You can also find several matches there what would point to that direction.
    J1 FGC5987 to FGC6175 (188 new SNPs)
    MDKAs before Colonial Brazil
    Y-DNA - Milhazes, Barcelos, Minho, Portugal.
    mtDNA - Ilha Terceira, Azores, Portugal
    North_Swedish + PT + PT + PT @ 3.96 EUtest 4

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    Quote Originally Posted by aemilio993 View Post
    Hello all! I'm new to forum but I was interested in doing an investigation that goes back a bit further on my ancestry with most of it being Iberian. My paternal halogroup is R-M405 which from what i understand in regards to Iberia is found mainly in the north and was brought by the suebi tribes which migrated and settled north in that region.

    To give some more context about myself, I also seemed to have a good deal of galician ancestry on both sides of my family as ancestrydna updated with me and both of my parents having my portuguese range higher than Spaniard portion which is most likely to be through my theorized galician side since galicia and Portugal genetically and linguistically overlap with each other.

    Now the discrepancy here is that my family is puerto rican and we have no recent Portuguese family that we know of. From what I know about puerto rican migration is that there were a good number of galician migrants to the island and so that's were my hypthesis comes from in regards to my galician ancestry. So in short, is it possibly to assume that that the R-M405 on my paternal halogroup came from possible suebi invaders? Thank you for your input


    Here is my euro k15 closest population approximation from gedmatch

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Portuguese 12.728664
    2 Spanish_Extremadura 12.818033
    3 Spanish_Murcia 13.270893
    4 Spanish_Galicia 13.334726
    5 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 13.418543
    6 Spanish_Cataluna 13.969191
    7 Spanish_Andalucia 14.707794
    8 North_Italian 14.769558
    9 Spanish_Valencia 14.849102
    10 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 15.242348
    11 Spanish_Cantabria 15.308724
    12 Southwest_French 16.300249
    13 Spanish_Aragon 16.689562
    14 French 17.180973
    15 Tuscan 19.045301
    16 Serbian 20.409477
    17 South_Dutch 20.743446
    18 Romanian 21.502945
    19 Austrian 21.732723
    20 Bulgarian 22.312880
    The suebi were Southwest Germanic tribes. You should have some Germanic, Austrian, or Eastern European admixture. What's your kit#?

    Puerto Ricans for the most part have been on the Island for over 500 years. Their have been multiple migrations there (Spainards, Italians, Corsican Italians, Dutch), so it would be hard to prove.
    DNA Tribes

    Balto - North Slavic 22.4%
    Northwest European 18.8%
    Italian Greek 18.1%
    Persian Jewish 9%
    Iberian 6.3%
    Ashkenazi Jewish 5.9%
    Basque 4.3%
    Sephardic Jewish 4.1%
    Balochi Punjab 3.7%
    Caucasus 2.5%
    Urals 1.3%
    Finnish 1.2%
    Lebanese Cypriot 1%
    Other 1.4%

    Sephardic Jewish Turkey 18.8%
    Argyll and Bute Scottish Highlands 18.6%
    Sardinia 18.4%
    Lithuania 15.7%
    Russia Voronezh 7%
    Belgium 5.6%
    Syrian Jewish 4.9%
    Libyan Jewish 4.4%
    Russia Tver 2.4%
    Azerbaijani Jewish 2.2%

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    Quote Originally Posted by RCO View Post
    Welcome. You should test your R-M405 to discover what's your specific branch via FTDNA Big Y or FGC. You can find your place here
    It looks like you had ancestors in the Western side of Iberia, I have seen several cases of Hispanics with connections to Extremadura or Portugal. You can also find several matches there what would point to that direction.
    Thank you for the advice. I will have to investigate further then in this case. Which of the Y tests from FTDNA would you recommend buying btw?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tz85 View Post
    The suebi were Southwest Germanic tribes. You should have some Germanic, Austrian, or Eastern European admixture. What's your kit#?

    Puerto Ricans for the most part have been on the Island for over 500 years. Their have been multiple migrations there (Spainards, Italians, Corsican Italians, Dutch), so it would be hard to prove.
    Yes thats true. I'm under the impression that most of the puerto rican migration has been from canary islands too during the 1700-1800s.

    here's my kit number btw

    A025185

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    You can test FTDNA Big Y, so you can join YFull with your BAM file.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aemilio993 View Post
    Thank you for the advice. I will have to investigate further then in this case. Which of the Y tests from FTDNA would you recommend buying btw?


    Yes thats true. I'm under the impression that most of the puerto rican migration has been from canary islands too during the 1700-1800s.

    here's my kit number btw

    A025185
    Btw, Autosomally, you match my wife, and her Father over 10cM largest segment. My wife's family is 100% Puerto Rican. You're related.
    DNA Tribes

    Balto - North Slavic 22.4%
    Northwest European 18.8%
    Italian Greek 18.1%
    Persian Jewish 9%
    Iberian 6.3%
    Ashkenazi Jewish 5.9%
    Basque 4.3%
    Sephardic Jewish 4.1%
    Balochi Punjab 3.7%
    Caucasus 2.5%
    Urals 1.3%
    Finnish 1.2%
    Lebanese Cypriot 1%
    Other 1.4%

    Sephardic Jewish Turkey 18.8%
    Argyll and Bute Scottish Highlands 18.6%
    Sardinia 18.4%
    Lithuania 15.7%
    Russia Voronezh 7%
    Belgium 5.6%
    Syrian Jewish 4.9%
    Libyan Jewish 4.4%
    Russia Tver 2.4%
    Azerbaijani Jewish 2.2%

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    Also looking at your admixture, the main populations other than Spanish, are Basque and North Italian. West German also comes up sometime, but at a much greater distance.

    My guess is that it's French Basque. Swabian would be a stretch but not impossible.
    DNA Tribes

    Balto - North Slavic 22.4%
    Northwest European 18.8%
    Italian Greek 18.1%
    Persian Jewish 9%
    Iberian 6.3%
    Ashkenazi Jewish 5.9%
    Basque 4.3%
    Sephardic Jewish 4.1%
    Balochi Punjab 3.7%
    Caucasus 2.5%
    Urals 1.3%
    Finnish 1.2%
    Lebanese Cypriot 1%
    Other 1.4%

    Sephardic Jewish Turkey 18.8%
    Argyll and Bute Scottish Highlands 18.6%
    Sardinia 18.4%
    Lithuania 15.7%
    Russia Voronezh 7%
    Belgium 5.6%
    Syrian Jewish 4.9%
    Libyan Jewish 4.4%
    Russia Tver 2.4%
    Azerbaijani Jewish 2.2%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tz85 View Post
    The suebi were Southwest Germanic tribes. You should have some Germanic, Austrian, or Eastern European admixture. What's your kit#?

    Puerto Ricans for the most part have been on the Island for over 500 years. Their have been multiple migrations there (Spainards, Italians, Corsican Italians, Dutch), so it would be hard to prove.
    He could still have a "Germanic" Y-DNA line and not have any "Germanic" recent admixture as it was a very long time ago the Suebi came into Iberia ;-). One thing is for sure though now with more and more Germanic Migration period burials being analyzed - U106 is the majority haplogroup so far... most common etc.
    Y-DNA: 4th GGF Johann Adam Weber/Weaver born 1784 in Pennsylvania. Sergeant, US 17th Inf, War of 1812: R1b-U106-DF98-S1911-S1894/S1900-S4004... FGC14817 shared with 6drif-3 - one of the "Headless" Roman Gladiator/Soldiers! Father Captain Martin Weber b. 1739 in Hesse(?), Germany, d. 1804 Dauphin, PA.

    mtDNA: 3rd GGM Bridget O'Danagher b. 1843 Lorrha/Dorrha, Ireland - T2b2b - Pagan Migrant Icelander SSG-A3 (grave 4) - Sķlastašir in Eyjafjaršarsżsla, North Iceland is T2b2b.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aemilio993 View Post
    Hello all! I'm new to forum but I was interested in doing an investigation that goes back a bit further on my ancestry with most of it being Iberian. My paternal halogroup is R-M405 which from what i understand in regards to Iberia is found mainly in the north and was brought by the suebi tribes which migrated and settled north in that region.

    To give some more context about myself, I also seemed to have a good deal of galician ancestry on both sides of my family as ancestrydna updated with me and both of my parents having my portuguese range higher than Spaniard portion which is most likely to be through my theorized galician side since galicia and Portugal genetically and linguistically overlap with each other.

    Now the discrepancy here is that my family is puerto rican and we have no recent Portuguese family that we know of. From what I know about puerto rican migration is that there were a good number of galician migrants to the island and so that's were my hypthesis comes from in regards to my galician ancestry. So in short, is it possibly to assume that that the R-M405 on my paternal halogroup came from possible suebi invaders? Thank you for your input


    Here is my euro k15 closest population approximation from gedmatch

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Portuguese 12.728664
    2 Spanish_Extremadura 12.818033
    3 Spanish_Murcia 13.270893
    4 Spanish_Galicia 13.334726
    5 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 13.418543
    6 Spanish_Cataluna 13.969191
    7 Spanish_Andalucia 14.707794
    8 North_Italian 14.769558
    9 Spanish_Valencia 14.849102
    10 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 15.242348
    11 Spanish_Cantabria 15.308724
    12 Southwest_French 16.300249
    13 Spanish_Aragon 16.689562
    14 French 17.180973
    15 Tuscan 19.045301
    16 Serbian 20.409477
    17 South_Dutch 20.743446
    18 Romanian 21.502945
    19 Austrian 21.732723
    20 Bulgarian 22.312880
    Welcome to the forum! I see people have already recommended YFull or Big Y at FTDNA (I was one of the early Big Y testers - haven't regretted it since!)... also make sure since you are R1b-U106+ that you join the U106 DNA yahoo forum where we discuss a lot of stuff and all the experts are there etc... and don't be afraid to ask questions! If you test at FTDNA you can then join the FTDNA U106 DNA project also. The U106 yahoo forum is here: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/R1b1c_U106-S21/info

    Hope to see you around! Welcome to U106+ group!

    Additionally check out my growing list of ancient/medieval (aDNA) samples positive for the U106 mutation and subgroups where possible here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...it?usp=sharing

    Cheers,
    Charlie
    Y-DNA: 4th GGF Johann Adam Weber/Weaver born 1784 in Pennsylvania. Sergeant, US 17th Inf, War of 1812: R1b-U106-DF98-S1911-S1894/S1900-S4004... FGC14817 shared with 6drif-3 - one of the "Headless" Roman Gladiator/Soldiers! Father Captain Martin Weber b. 1739 in Hesse(?), Germany, d. 1804 Dauphin, PA.

    mtDNA: 3rd GGM Bridget O'Danagher b. 1843 Lorrha/Dorrha, Ireland - T2b2b - Pagan Migrant Icelander SSG-A3 (grave 4) - Sķlastašir in Eyjafjaršarsżsla, North Iceland is T2b2b.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RCO View Post
    You can test FTDNA Big Y, so you can join YFull with your BAM file.
    Thank you! I decided to go with FTDNA then.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tz85 View Post
    Btw, Autosomally, you match my wife, and her Father over 10cM largest segment. My wife's family is 100% Puerto Rican. You're related.
    That's quite possibly and to be honest, it wouldn't surprise me because my impression of puerto rican genetics is that it is very quite homogeneous as an island due to its small size as a colony. Which part specifically is her family from if I might ask? My family is mainly from Naranjito, as well as Toa Alta and Baranquitas as far as I know. We're mainly located in the mountains but I do have some family that have recently gone to the bigger cities like San Juan.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bollox79 View Post
    He could still have a "Germanic" Y-DNA line and not have any "Germanic" recent admixture as it was a very long time ago the Suebi came into Iberia ;-). One thing is for sure though now with more and more Germanic Migration period burials being analyzed - U106 is the majority haplogroup so far... most common etc.
    I'm very excited to hear that they're able to analyze more samples from way back then from these burials. I'm under the impression that the ancient germans tribe the Suebi had the greatest impact genetically within the north although it wasn't as great as say the celt migration into iberia of course but its interesting to see a trace of their existence within the modern dna. I got this information from eupedia btw, I don't know if it's quite reliable as a source

    Quote Originally Posted by Bollox79 View Post
    Welcome to the forum! I see people have already recommended YFull or Big Y at FTDNA (I was one of the early Big Y testers - haven't regretted it since!)... also make sure since you are R1b-U106+ that you join the U106 DNA yahoo forum where we discuss a lot of stuff and all the experts are there etc... and don't be afraid to ask questions! If you test at FTDNA you can then join the FTDNA U106 DNA project also. The U106 yahoo forum is here:

    Hope to see you around! Welcome to U106+ group!

    Additionally check out my growing list of ancient/medieval (aDNA) samples positive for the U106 mutation and subgroups where possible here:

    Cheers,
    Charlie
    Thank you very much Charlie! I will now have to investigate further into FTDNA in order to uncover more information about this line. Thanks again to those who recommended it for me. I'm very much interested in ancient/medieval dna and the impact it had upon modern day populations so I'd be certainly interested in joining the group and learn more information on this topic!

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