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    Quote Originally Posted by poi View Post
    Do you think it’s geographic and not caste/SC/ST affiliation?
    A combo of both. There seems to be a higher proportion of caucasoid shifted folks in the west than east for whatever reason. It could be the presence of more nw shifted groups like jats towards western up but a lot of the folks who appear to be low caste there looked quite sharp featured as well. I didnt see as many tribal influenced folks. I did see some influence among the people in the varanasi video. Anyways yeah UP overall is very diverse in terms of caste, etc so i dont think theres a strict cline anyways and it depends on individual basis. But geographic variation should be acknowledged as well imo cause there are sublte differences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kush View Post
    A combo of both. There seems to be a higher proportion of caucasoid shifted folks in the west than east for whatever reason. It could be the presence of more nw shifted groups like jats towards western up but a lot of the folks who appear to be low caste there looked quite sharp featured as well. I didnt see as many tribal influenced folks. I did see some influence among the people in the varanasi video. Anyways yeah UP overall is very diverse in terms of caste, etc so i dont think theres a strict cline anyways and it depends on individual basis. But geographic variation should be acknowledged as well imo cause there are sublte differences.
    Western UP has more NW shifted groups like Gujjars and Jats. It also is the most prosperous part of the UP so higher amount of upper castes (Noida, Ghaziabad, Meerut, Agra), also there is some migration from Haryana, Punjab (not a lot). Additionally there are more exotic individuals with foreign muslim ancestry (again not a lot but you could run into them). Also the Western Punjabis at the time of partition did settle in Western UP. I have one Arora family relatives in Meerut (they usually don't blend in into UP). Mid caste UP baniyas are very ASI shifted, lower ones are very tribal shifted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by agent_lime View Post
    Western UP has more NW shifted groups like Gujjars and Jats. It also is the most prosperous part of the UP so higher amount of upper castes (Noida, Ghaziabad, Meerut, Agra), also there is some migration from Haryana, Punjab (not a lot). Additionally there are more exotic individuals with foreign muslim ancestry (again not a lot but you could run into them). Also the Western Punjabis at the time of partition did settle in Western UP. I have one Arora family relatives in Meerut (they usually don't blend in into UP). Mid caste UP baniyas are very ASI shifted, lower ones are very tribal shifted.
    I see this misconception a lot about the north. There are for sure groups that stand out, but caste (i.e. genetic makeup) is still a large factor (this is probably even more evident in Punjab). I can't wait to work in Delhi and Uttarakhand later this year, but I know last time I visited UP, I saw many people who easily would pass in the south/middle india. Granted there were obviously groups of people who looked quite NW shifted, but they were by no means the majority and probably were composed of muslims, brahmins, jatts, and aroras/khatris.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 26284729292 View Post
    I see this misconception a lot about the north. There are for sure groups that stand out, but caste (i.e. genetic makeup) is still a large factor (this is probably even more evident in Punjab). I can't wait to work in Delhi and Uttarakhand later this year, but I know last time I visited UP, I saw many people who easily would pass in the south/middle india. Granted there were obviously groups of people who looked quite NW shifted, but they were by no means the majority and probably were composed of muslims, brahmins, jatts, and aroras/khatris.
    Upper castes are roughly 25%, some OBC's are also very mixed (jats, gujjars). Out of the upper castes we have the Baniyas who look like South Indian mid to lower castes. Maybe 30-40% of people total will have NW/ N/ Central Asian shift, the rest don't look exotic by Indian standards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agent_lime View Post
    Upper castes are roughly 25%, some OBC's are also very mixed (jats, gujjars). Out of the upper castes we have the Baniyas who look like South Indian mid to lower castes. Maybe 30-40% of people total will have NW/ N/ Central Asian shift, the rest don't look exotic by Indian standards.

    I remember when you described explaining this to some one and they thought it was akin to using a swear word LOL.

    30-40% even seems high to me. Maybe in western UP, where I haven't visited extensively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 26284729292 View Post
    I remember when you described explaining this to some one and they thought it was akin to using a swear word LOL.

    30-40% even seems high to me. Maybe in western UP, where I haven't visited extensively.
    This is what the Baniyas look like.

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    Some wedding videos (keep in mind not everyone will be a baniya).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLOOIOVe6t0
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB_Z23SHYGY
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwmmC_y19RU

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    Quote Originally Posted by agent_lime View Post
    Upper castes are roughly 25%, some OBC's are also very mixed (jats, gujjars). Out of the upper castes we have the Baniyas who look like South Indian mid to lower castes. Maybe 30-40% of people total will have NW/ N/ Central Asian shift, the rest don't look exotic by Indian standards.
    What do you mean by "mixed" for Jat and gujjars? And which upper castes are placed in exotic category as per your observation/opinion?
    An old photo of my baniya friend reception from central up...all the boys apart from the wedding couple are from West up and are Jat, Rajput or baniya...IMG-20190128-WA0006.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by prashantvaidwan View Post
    What do you mean by "mixed" for Jat and gujjars? And which upper castes are placed in exotic category as per your observation/opinion?
    Mixed meaning mixed with Central Asian like people. Other exotic types can be Brahmins/ Rajputs/ West Punjabis/ Sindhis (in Western UP).

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    Quote Originally Posted by agent_lime View Post
    Mixed meaning mixed with Central Asian like people. Other exotic types can be Brahmins/ Rajputs/ West Punjabis/ Sindhis (in Western UP).
    I have seen few exotic yadavas, probably they are high Iran_n. I don't have seen any Gujjar sample from West up/Haryana. Not sure if they will score high iran_n similar to their counterparts in Punjab and rajasthan

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    Here is a picture from a family wedding 15 years ago. I am top right. Mostly my cousins in the pictures. prashantvaidwan phenotypes average out over populations, I don't want to guess.


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