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    Quote Originally Posted by Reza View Post
    Can I please ask that separate threads are created for dedicated topics.

    This thread is purely for (science based) phenotype discussions which is anyhow currently up for review. Certainly not for guess ethnicity type posts or pseudoscience.

    All other topics should have a dedicated thread created where appropriate ie discussion around specific ethnic groups.

    Any non specific chat / discussions should be for the lounge only.
    Great idea, considering I am losing brain cells reading a lot of the recent posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tipirneni View Post
    Did you design and write nmonte ? it is a kindergarden tool man. wake up. Before you realize all your Khatri top grade are gonna marry into Kammas.

    I would strongly consider editing that statement.
    The man who designed Nmonte is a stats prodigy and the fact you have scientists on here and David utilize it speaks for itself.
    It mimics formal stats but with shocking accuracy and one can even pin point flaws with qpAdm models since Nmonte allows for a more finer and nuanced approach.

    Also I don't understand your reason for having a clutched pearl moment wrt to what Agentlime said , its pretty much accurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tipirneni View Post
    Did you design and write nmonte ? it is a kindergarden tool man. wake up. Before you realize all your Khatri top grade are gonna marry into Kammas.
    So true anna. You should release some University level tool to show these guys how real DNA is analyzed, so we can see the world with your eyes.

    No wonder there is huge migration from NW to South India, it's the girls moving there to marry the alpha Kamma chads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by client View Post
    Based on G25 I wonder why Rors began claiming to be Marathas after they graced their region with their presence but never claimed to be English when they did the same.

    Distance to: Ror
    0.21149148 Maratha:MT-34
    0.22050357 English
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    Quote Originally Posted by client View Post
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    I have heard that Kapus claim that their ancestors originated from Kampilya in Panchala.
    Kurmi and Koiri castes also claim this apparently.

    There is also the Kuruba Gowda caste in Karnataka and Kurumba Gounder in Tamil Nadu.
    According to the A Dravidian Etymological Dictionary entry 135, the name of the current Kapu caste etymologically derives from an older kAMpu which derives from an older kAmpu. This has cognates like gAmpa in some stage of Kannada with the meanings 'a rustic', 'a simpleton', 'a vulgar or a vile man', etc. and Gondi has the cognate kAp with the meaning, 'a Parja (speaker of the Parji language)'. In some stage of early Telugu this had the meanings of 'a cultivator', 'farmer', 'pertaining to the farmer', 'rustic'. (Gradually Telugu lost sense of much of this word's meaning and this is not at all the major word for 'farmer' in Telugu today and merely stands as the name for the caste called Kapus some sub-type of which is the recently popular Panta Kapu caste/sub-caste of Rajahmundry.)

    Another interesting word important and so common in Telugu lexicon even today is etymologically connected to the kAmpu word. It's kApuraM, with the meanings of 'household', 'dwelling', 'residence', etc. used with no caste/occupation baggage and just as a generic word to describe the state of existence of a married couple after marriage (again, the etymological connection between kApu and kApuraM is lost from the mental grammars of native Telugu speakers).

    I am too lazy right now to delve into the details of the etymology of kAmpilya but it seems it is not connected in any plausible manner with the Kapu caste name at all which is connected with the 'cultivator' word in Old Telugu which while does not have so many cognates in other Dravidian languages does seem to have a few, particularly in Kannada with those negative shades of meaning, indicating to me that this particular type of people were probably some felt as some type of an annoying entity by ancient Kannada people and not so much by the ancient Telugu people which more often than not (to me only, perhaps) indicates that people called by this name were somehow very deeply connected to either or both of these linguistic societies for a long time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    Yes, speculation based of common sense , Bhils very much exist on border regions transecting Gujarat, Sind and Rajasthan. These Koli live in the same areas, they dress the same, look the same, the only other group would be Banjaras (also from Rajasthan). Its very possible they have extra Zagrosian ancestry but in the grand scheme of things they would still easily be 80-90% SI tribal/ASI like, so it really is trivial.

    There are no Bhils on G25 but Sakili look extremely similar to them

    "sample": "Sakilli:Average",
    "fit": 2.4257,
    "Irula": 90,
    "TJK_Sarazm_En": 10,

    Kamboj outlier/Dalit from Rajasthan


    "sample": "Kamboj_o:Average",
    "fit": 2.6755,
    "Irula": 80
    "TJK_Sarazm_En": 20,
    "NPL_Chokhopani_2700BP": 0,



    If Mid caste Gujaratis and Rajasthanis easily score 50% SI, 65-67% is not a stretch. I remember a Banjara result from years ago in a very high SI range.

    The one IVC ASI outlier scores in similar range of a Bhil and that sample very likely came from the eastern edge of the IVC (where Gujarat and Rajasthan would be), it ties in with what Bolnat mentioned.

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 S-Indian 62.65
    2 Baloch 28.41
    3 Papuan 3.51
    4 SE-Asian 3.28
    5 Pygmy 2.12
    6 NE-Euro 0.03

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 singapore-indian-a (sgvp) 5.06
    2 piramalai-kallar (metspalu) 5.29
    3 kamsali (reich) 5.72
    4 vysya (reich) 5.87
    5 kol (metspalu) 6.02
    6 hallaki (reich) 6.08
    7 tamil-nadar (harappa) 6.14
    dont most people argue that phenotype doesnt always equal genotype on this forum. yeah it only works for upper and mid caste population it seems. but ok whatever i dont care how bhils score cause thats not the argument. I'm arguing how can you be sure that they're not natives to the sindh region? you said it yourself that they were present all over in the general indus region. it could be possible that tribes like them migrated to india post partition than vice versa cause that makes more sense? Also look at the video that gudar posted. They have relatively sharp features compared to bhils if we do the phenotype argument, just more tanned given that its hot in sindh and they live in impoverished conditions.

    The largest tribe in rajasthan is meghawal. they score anywhere from south indian brahmin/midcaste north indian to south indian midcaste. these tribes of the indus region have variation overall and even many meghawals look quite 'tribal' shifted, meaning aasi shifted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyDLuffy View Post
    So true anna. You should release some University level tool to show these guys how real DNA is analyzed, so we can see the world with your eyes.

    No wonder there is huge migration from NW to South India, it's the girls moving there to marry the alpha Kamma chads.
    Lol, at the end of the day no one outside South India has probably even heard of kammas.

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    	Sample	Details	Fit	Map	IRN Shahr I Sokhta BA1	IRN Shahr I Sokhta BA2	Irula	RUS Tyumen HG	Saka Tian Shan
    1	Andhra_Pradesh_Kamma:Average		2.0278 	Open Map	8.33	59.17	30.83	0	1.67
    2	Custom:AGUser_censored		2.3878 	Open Map	10	45.83	36.67	1.67	5.83
    3	Reddy:Average		2.191 	Open Map	5	63.33	30.83	0	0.83
    4	Velamas:Average		1.7172 	Open Map	11.67	50.83	36.67	0.83	0
    I cannot get any of these groups to even breach 1.67% for Saka Tian Shan, which is like noise level. Even I get near 6%, despite no Scythian ancestry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Censored View Post
    Lol, at the end of the day no one outside South India has probably even heard of kammas.

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    	Sample	Details	Fit	Map	IRN Shahr I Sokhta BA1	IRN Shahr I Sokhta BA2	Irula	RUS Tyumen HG	Saka Tian Shan
    1	Andhra_Pradesh_Kamma:Average		2.0278 	Open Map	8.33	59.17	30.83	0	1.67
    2	Custom:AGUser_censored		2.3878 	Open Map	10	45.83	36.67	1.67	5.83
    3	Reddy:Average		2.191 	Open Map	5	63.33	30.83	0	0.83
    4	Velamas:Average		1.7172 	Open Map	11.67	50.83	36.67	0.83	0
    I cannot get any of these groups to even breach 1.67% for Saka Tian Shan, which is like noise level. Even I get near 6%, despite no Scythian ancestry.
    It's because you're using inferior kindergarten school tool nmonte, you need special PHD grade schools tiperneni anna use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by client View Post
    Based on G25 I wonder why Rors began claiming to be Marathas after they graced their region with their presence but never claimed to be English when they did the same.

    Distance to: Ror
    0.21149148 Maratha:MT-34
    0.22050357 English
    Lack of written records and cultural differences imo. Ethnic groups like Rors must have been Hinduized much later. This only applies for why they don't claim Steppe origins. They don't claim English origins because they never were one and never were culturally related to Anglo-Saxons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyDLuffy View Post
    It's because you're using inferior kindergarten school tool nmonte, you need special PHD grade schools tiperneni anna use.
    thanks anna, I will try to develop an formal stats tool to tease out bedouin and Scythian admixture in Kamma and tribals.

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