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    Nibelung Global 25

    Some months late, I ordered my Global 25 from David:

    Nibelung_scaled

    0.127482,0.121864,0.073539,0.052326,0.042469,
    0.018128,0.008695,0.005077,0.009613,-0.007472,
    -0.00406,0.002698,-0.000446,-0.008395,0.015744,
    0.015513,0.00339,0.006081,-0.005154,0.004377,
    0.008485,0.00371,-0.005793,0.012532,0.004431

    Nibelung

    0.0112,0.012,0.0195,0.0162,0.0138,
    0.0065,0.0037,0.0022,0.0047,-0.0041,
    -0.0025,0.0018,-0.0003,-0.0061,0.0116,
    0.0117,0.0026,0.0048,-0.0041,0.0035,
    0.0068,0.003,-0.0047,0.0104,0.0037

    You may use them here at the forum freely. And David has run a couple of models for me himself:

    [1] "distance%=4.5221"

    Nibelung_scaled

    Yamnaya_Samara,48.6
    Barcin_N,33.6
    WHG,17.4
    Han,0.4

    [1] "distance%=2.3317"

    Nibelung_scaled

    Swedish,81.8
    German,14.4
    Saami,3.2
    Han,0.6

    As you might expect, in the (not here) provided European PCA I plot closest and quite close to the Swedes.
    Scandinavian-love structure

    recent and recently discovered Swedish, Danish and Norwegian (many 4th/5th cousins)
    recent East/North German
    Anglo-Saxon from recent rural English (Derbyshire/Staffordshire) with possible trace Danish
    1/16 Bronze Age Swedish from Finland/Karelia
    medieval Norwegian and Danish via Ireland (possibly surviving structure)
    other English and German (regions unknown)
    other NW to NE European

    closest modern Sweden2
    closest ancient Sigtuna vik84001

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    Many thanks to @poi, and of course @huibregts (nMonte), as well as obviously to my old friend David, whom I've known for perhaps 15 years. Using

    http://185.144.156.77:3000/

    from

    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....y-from-the-web

    I'm now able to begin working with my autosomal DNA. @poi has kindly added me as Custom:AGUser_Nibelung_scaled to the samples.

    distance% = 5.532

    EHG 43.33
    Barcin_N 43.33
    WHG 7.5
    CHG 5.83

    It'll take me a little while to figure more of this out. My slightly elevated ENA, ~1-4% judging from GEDmatch calculators, I assume EHG has eaten in the model here, and partly Yamnaya_Samara above. To cite my source, Rohlfsen recently pointed out ENA can be detected in EHG, but I'm making no argument concerning the relationship of PIE to Uralic.
    Last edited by Nibelung; 07-22-2018 at 06:17 PM.
    Scandinavian-love structure

    recent and recently discovered Swedish, Danish and Norwegian (many 4th/5th cousins)
    recent East/North German
    Anglo-Saxon from recent rural English (Derbyshire/Staffordshire) with possible trace Danish
    1/16 Bronze Age Swedish from Finland/Karelia
    medieval Norwegian and Danish via Ireland (possibly surviving structure)
    other English and German (regions unknown)
    other NW to NE European

    closest modern Sweden2
    closest ancient Sigtuna vik84001

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    In overall proportions I'm closest to RISE98, as well as BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN, and these have been my closest ancient matches in the calculators. Do we now have the reason? Rathlin3's numbers are also close to mine in nMonte, whereas Rathlin1 has somewhat more EHG.

    Now look at this

    distance% = 2.9405

    Nordic_LN 38.33
    Benzigerode_Heimburg_LN 31.67
    Ireland_EBA 30

    Scandinavian-love structure

    recent and recently discovered Swedish, Danish and Norwegian (many 4th/5th cousins)
    recent East/North German
    Anglo-Saxon from recent rural English (Derbyshire/Staffordshire) with possible trace Danish
    1/16 Bronze Age Swedish from Finland/Karelia
    medieval Norwegian and Danish via Ireland (possibly surviving structure)
    other English and German (regions unknown)
    other NW to NE European

    closest modern Sweden2
    closest ancient Sigtuna vik84001

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    distance% = 2.9993

    Nordic_LN 64.17
    Nordic_IA 35.83

    But I need to point out that in David's Northern Europe PCA I plot right next to the Swedish Nordic IA sample.

    Also

    distance% = 2.9513

    Nordic_LN 55
    Nordic_IA 23.33
    Benzigerode_Heimburg_LN 21.67
    Scandinavian-love structure

    recent and recently discovered Swedish, Danish and Norwegian (many 4th/5th cousins)
    recent East/North German
    Anglo-Saxon from recent rural English (Derbyshire/Staffordshire) with possible trace Danish
    1/16 Bronze Age Swedish from Finland/Karelia
    medieval Norwegian and Danish via Ireland (possibly surviving structure)
    other English and German (regions unknown)
    other NW to NE European

    closest modern Sweden2
    closest ancient Sigtuna vik84001

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    Ancients run

    "distance%=2.1523"

    Eihwaz_scaled

    Ashkenazi_Jew,33
    Barcin_N,14.8
    Finnish,14.6
    Iraqi_Jew,11.4
    Scottish,9
    Anatolia_BA,6.4
    Anatolia_MLBA,5.4
    Anatolia_ChL,3.6
    Finnish_East,1.4
    Tepe_Hissar_ChL,0.4
    - Nearest populations -
    [1] "Scottish:Scottish2 Ashkenazi_Jew:ashkenazy5e Barcin_N:I0709 Iraqi_Jew:IraqiJew4241 Finnish:S_Finnish-3 Finnish_East:HG00323 Anatolia_BA:I2683 Anatolia_MLBA:MA2208 Ashkenazi_Jew:ashkenazy3e Anatolia_ChL:I1584 Barcin_N:I0746 Tepe_Hissar_ChL:I2512"


    "distance%=0.9733"

    Nib unscaled

    Scottish,76.2
    Sarmatian,8.6
    Hallstatt_Bylany,7.6
    Narva_Lithuania,5
    Yukagir_Forest,1.4
    Xibo,1.2
    - Nearest populations -
    [1] "Scottish:Scottish1 Scottish:Scotland11 Scottish:Scottish7 Scottish:Scottish6 SarmatianA144 Scottish:Scottish4 Hallstatt_BylanyA112 Yukagir_Forest:Nel16 Xibo:HGDP01246 Narva_Lithuania:Kretuonas2"
    Y: H-M69 -> H-M82 -> SK1225 -> H-Z5888 -> H-Z5890 -> H-CTS8144 [CTS8144/PF1741/M5498] -> Z34531 (H1a1a4b3b1a8~)
    found 2875 BCE -> Jiroft/IVC Periphery 11459 Shahr-i-Sokte BA2
    mtDNA:U2a1a

    G25 Ancients Dist 0.79 IND_Roopkund_A 51.05 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2 46.64 MAR_Iberomaurusian2.04PAK_Katelai_IA0.19 TKM_Gonur2_BA 0.08

    Lactose Persistence rs3213871 rs4988243 rs4988183 rs3769005 rs2236783
    found -> DA125, Kangju

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    I just received my maternal uncle's Global 25 from David, but these are for reference for myself here, for use in various models examining the unknown parts of my ancestry, e.g. including 3/4 of my paternal grandmother's.

    Nibelung_uncle_scaled

    0.118376,0.135065,0.055814,0.039729,0.047086,
    0.016733,0.00658,0.007846,0.001023,0.002734,
    -0.008769,0.005845,-0.006244,-0.01101,0.016694,
    0.009944,-0.00665,0.006588,0.002514,-0.004502,
    0.000749,0.000618,-0.002465,0.015665,-0.000359

    Nibelung_uncle

    0.0104,0.0133,0.0148,0.0123,0.0153,
    0.006,0.0028,0.0034,0.0005,0.0015,
    -0.0054,0.0039,-0.0042,-0.008,0.0123,
    0.0075,-0.0051,0.0052,0.002,-0.0036,
    0.0006,0.0005,-0.002,0.013,-0.0003
    Scandinavian-love structure

    recent and recently discovered Swedish, Danish and Norwegian (many 4th/5th cousins)
    recent East/North German
    Anglo-Saxon from recent rural English (Derbyshire/Staffordshire) with possible trace Danish
    1/16 Bronze Age Swedish from Finland/Karelia
    medieval Norwegian and Danish via Ireland (possibly surviving structure)
    other English and German (regions unknown)
    other NW to NE European

    closest modern Sweden2
    closest ancient Sigtuna vik84001

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    More nMonte myself:

    distance% = 1.5521

    Swedish 60
    Irish 30
    Russian_Kostroma 10
    Russian_Orel 0 (and the rest besides Pinega)

    distance% 1.5476

    Swedish 57.5
    Irish 32.5
    Russian_Kostroma 5.83
    Russian_Pinega 4.17
    Last edited by Nibelung; 08-03-2018 at 09:05 PM.
    Scandinavian-love structure

    recent and recently discovered Swedish, Danish and Norwegian (many 4th/5th cousins)
    recent East/North German
    Anglo-Saxon from recent rural English (Derbyshire/Staffordshire) with possible trace Danish
    1/16 Bronze Age Swedish from Finland/Karelia
    medieval Norwegian and Danish via Ireland (possibly surviving structure)
    other English and German (regions unknown)
    other NW to NE European

    closest modern Sweden2
    closest ancient Sigtuna vik84001

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    Of course my real percentages (Luka's K36 Oracle) are ~ 55+% Insular Celtic, remainder split between Germanic and Finnish, but peninsular Scandinavia massively hogs the profile when you put it all together. Between Sweden and Norway in nMonte I get 60/40, in the K36 Oracle equal for North Sweden and North Norway.
    Scandinavian-love structure

    recent and recently discovered Swedish, Danish and Norwegian (many 4th/5th cousins)
    recent East/North German
    Anglo-Saxon from recent rural English (Derbyshire/Staffordshire) with possible trace Danish
    1/16 Bronze Age Swedish from Finland/Karelia
    medieval Norwegian and Danish via Ireland (possibly surviving structure)
    other English and German (regions unknown)
    other NW to NE European

    closest modern Sweden2
    closest ancient Sigtuna vik84001

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    Have a look at this, showing the East-West and North-South clines differently:

    distance%= 1.8256

    Irish 74.17
    Russian_Kostroma 25.83

    distance%= 4.2414

    Russian_Kostroma 64.17
    Italian_Bergamo 35.83

    distance% = 4.6888

    Russian_Kostroma 80
    Sardinian 20

    and for reference

    Russian_Kostroma:Russia_Kostr138

    distance% = 6.8959

    EHG 56.67
    Barcin_N 35
    CHG 6.67
    WHG 1.67

    Custom:AGUser_Nibelung

    distance% 5.3173

    EHG 45
    Barcin_N 43.33
    WHG 6.67
    CHG 5
    Last edited by Nibelung; 08-03-2018 at 09:46 PM.
    Scandinavian-love structure

    recent and recently discovered Swedish, Danish and Norwegian (many 4th/5th cousins)
    recent East/North German
    Anglo-Saxon from recent rural English (Derbyshire/Staffordshire) with possible trace Danish
    1/16 Bronze Age Swedish from Finland/Karelia
    medieval Norwegian and Danish via Ireland (possibly surviving structure)
    other English and German (regions unknown)
    other NW to NE European

    closest modern Sweden2
    closest ancient Sigtuna vik84001

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nibelung View Post
    I just received my maternal uncle's Global 25 from David, but these are for reference for myself here, for use in various models examining the unknown parts of my ancestry, e.g. including 3/4 of my paternal grandmother's.

    Nibelung_uncle_scaled

    0.118376,0.135065,0.055814,0.039729,0.047086,
    0.016733,0.00658,0.007846,0.001023,0.002734,
    -0.008769,0.005845,-0.006244,-0.01101,0.016694,
    0.009944,-0.00665,0.006588,0.002514,-0.004502,
    0.000749,0.000618,-0.002465,0.015665,-0.000359

    Nibelung_uncle

    0.0104,0.0133,0.0148,0.0123,0.0153,
    0.006,0.0028,0.0034,0.0005,0.0015,
    -0.0054,0.0039,-0.0042,-0.008,0.0123,
    0.0075,-0.0051,0.0052,0.002,-0.0036,
    0.0006,0.0005,-0.002,0.013,-0.0003
    I don't see these coordinates added to my user list. Did I not add these? If not, I can add them if you like.

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