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    Nibelung Global 25

    Some months late, I ordered my Global 25 from David:

    Nibelung_scaled

    0.127482,0.121864,0.073539,0.052326,0.042469,
    0.018128,0.008695,0.005077,0.009613,-0.007472,
    -0.00406,0.002698,-0.000446,-0.008395,0.015744,
    0.015513,0.00339,0.006081,-0.005154,0.004377,
    0.008485,0.00371,-0.005793,0.012532,0.004431

    Nibelung

    0.0112,0.012,0.0195,0.0162,0.0138,
    0.0065,0.0037,0.0022,0.0047,-0.0041,
    -0.0025,0.0018,-0.0003,-0.0061,0.0116,
    0.0117,0.0026,0.0048,-0.0041,0.0035,
    0.0068,0.003,-0.0047,0.0104,0.0037

    You may use them here at the forum freely. And David has run a couple of models for me himself:

    [1] "distance%=4.5221"

    Nibelung_scaled

    Yamnaya_Samara,48.6
    Barcin_N,33.6
    WHG,17.4
    Han,0.4

    [1] "distance%=2.3317"

    Nibelung_scaled

    Swedish,81.8
    German,14.4
    Saami,3.2
    Han,0.6

    As you might expect, in the (not here) provided European PCA I plot closest and quite close to the Swedes.
    My 23andMe kit into Eurogenes K36 then oracle (thanks to lukaszM):

    nMonte restricted: Ireland 48.05, SW-England 20.95, Finnish East 20.05, Russian Tver 3.70, Latvian 3.15, Mari 1.90, Lithuanian 1.30, French Basque 0.90, Orcadian 0.00

    nMonte full: Ireland 45.70, Finnish East 20.05, SW-England 20.05, Russian Tver 4.10, Orcadian 3.05, Latvian 2.45, Mari 1.95, Lithuanian 1.45, French Basque 1.00, W-England 0.15, Belarusian East 0.05

    Maternal uncle: R1b-U152

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    Many thanks to @poi, and of course @huibregts (nMonte), as well as obviously to my old friend David, whom I've known for perhaps 15 years. Using

    http://185.144.156.77:3000/

    from

    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....y-from-the-web

    I'm now able to begin working with my autosomal DNA. @poi has kindly added me as Custom:AGUser_Nibelung_scaled to the samples.

    distance% = 5.532

    EHG 43.33
    Barcin_N 43.33
    WHG 7.5
    CHG 5.83

    It'll take me a little while to figure more of this out. My slightly elevated ENA, ~1-4% judging from GEDmatch calculators, I assume EHG has eaten in the model here, and partly Yamnaya_Samara above. To cite my source, Rohlfsen recently pointed out ENA can be detected in EHG, but I'm making no argument concerning the relationship of PIE to Uralic.
    Last edited by Nibelung; 07-22-2018 at 06:17 PM.
    My 23andMe kit into Eurogenes K36 then oracle (thanks to lukaszM):

    nMonte restricted: Ireland 48.05, SW-England 20.95, Finnish East 20.05, Russian Tver 3.70, Latvian 3.15, Mari 1.90, Lithuanian 1.30, French Basque 0.90, Orcadian 0.00

    nMonte full: Ireland 45.70, Finnish East 20.05, SW-England 20.05, Russian Tver 4.10, Orcadian 3.05, Latvian 2.45, Mari 1.95, Lithuanian 1.45, French Basque 1.00, W-England 0.15, Belarusian East 0.05

    Maternal uncle: R1b-U152

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    In overall proportions I'm closest to RISE98, as well as BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN, and these have been my closest ancient matches in the calculators. Do we now have the reason? Rathlin3's numbers are also close to mine in nMonte, whereas Rathlin1 has somewhat more EHG.

    Now look at this

    distance% = 2.9405

    Nordic_LN 38.33
    Benzigerode_Heimburg_LN 31.67
    Ireland_EBA 30

    My 23andMe kit into Eurogenes K36 then oracle (thanks to lukaszM):

    nMonte restricted: Ireland 48.05, SW-England 20.95, Finnish East 20.05, Russian Tver 3.70, Latvian 3.15, Mari 1.90, Lithuanian 1.30, French Basque 0.90, Orcadian 0.00

    nMonte full: Ireland 45.70, Finnish East 20.05, SW-England 20.05, Russian Tver 4.10, Orcadian 3.05, Latvian 2.45, Mari 1.95, Lithuanian 1.45, French Basque 1.00, W-England 0.15, Belarusian East 0.05

    Maternal uncle: R1b-U152

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    distance% = 2.9993

    Nordic_LN 64.17
    Nordic_IA 35.83

    But I need to point out that in David's Northern Europe PCA I plot right next to the Swedish Nordic IA sample.

    Also

    distance% = 2.9513

    Nordic_LN 55
    Nordic_IA 23.33
    Benzigerode_Heimburg_LN 21.67
    My 23andMe kit into Eurogenes K36 then oracle (thanks to lukaszM):

    nMonte restricted: Ireland 48.05, SW-England 20.95, Finnish East 20.05, Russian Tver 3.70, Latvian 3.15, Mari 1.90, Lithuanian 1.30, French Basque 0.90, Orcadian 0.00

    nMonte full: Ireland 45.70, Finnish East 20.05, SW-England 20.05, Russian Tver 4.10, Orcadian 3.05, Latvian 2.45, Mari 1.95, Lithuanian 1.45, French Basque 1.00, W-England 0.15, Belarusian East 0.05

    Maternal uncle: R1b-U152

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    "distance%=2.1523"

    Eihwaz_scaled

    Ashkenazi_Jew,33
    Barcin_N,14.8
    Finnish,14.6
    Iraqi_Jew,11.4
    Scottish,9
    Anatolia_BA,6.4
    Anatolia_MLBA,5.4
    Anatolia_ChL,3.6
    Finnish_East,1.4
    Tepe_Hissar_ChL,0.4
    - Nearest populations -
    [1] "Scottish:Scottish2 Ashkenazi_Jew:ashkenazy5e Barcin_N:I0709 Iraqi_Jew:IraqiJew4241 Finnish:S_Finnish-3 Finnish_East:HG00323 Anatolia_BA:I2683 Anatolia_MLBA:MA2208 Ashkenazi_Jew:ashkenazy3e Anatolia_ChL:I1584 Barcin_N:I0746 Tepe_Hissar_ChL:I2512"


    "distance%=0.9733"

    Nib unscaled

    Scottish,76.2
    Sarmatian,8.6
    Hallstatt_Bylany,7.6
    Narva_Lithuania,5
    Yukagir_Forest,1.4
    Xibo,1.2
    - Nearest populations -
    [1] "Scottish:Scottish1 Scottish:Scotland11 Scottish:Scottish7 Scottish:Scottish6 SarmatianA144 Scottish:Scottish4 Hallstatt_BylanyA112 Yukagir_Forest:Nel16 Xibo:HGDP01246 Narva_Lithuania:Kretuonas2"
    nMonte3 current
    Velamas Gujarati_D Muslim_UP Tharus Punjabi_1000genomes
    1.859005 3.210341 4.491247 4.998440 6.040323

    G25 Ancients Dist 0.99 Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3:S8728.E1.L1 65.2 Saidu_Sharif_IA_o:S7722.E1.L1 17.8 Udegram_IA:I1985 7.8 Jordanian:S_Jordanian-1 4.4 Barikot_IA:I6545 2.2 Scotland_N:I26602 Narva_Lithuania: Donkalnis6

    mtDNA mutation 309.1C 315.1C 522.1A 522.2C G8572A G8860A T11368C T16093a T16154C C16519T
    C195T

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    I just received my maternal uncle's Global 25 from David, but these are for reference for myself here, for use in various models examining the unknown parts of my ancestry, e.g. including 3/4 of my paternal grandmother's.

    Nibelung_uncle_scaled

    0.118376,0.135065,0.055814,0.039729,0.047086,
    0.016733,0.00658,0.007846,0.001023,0.002734,
    -0.008769,0.005845,-0.006244,-0.01101,0.016694,
    0.009944,-0.00665,0.006588,0.002514,-0.004502,
    0.000749,0.000618,-0.002465,0.015665,-0.000359

    Nibelung_uncle

    0.0104,0.0133,0.0148,0.0123,0.0153,
    0.006,0.0028,0.0034,0.0005,0.0015,
    -0.0054,0.0039,-0.0042,-0.008,0.0123,
    0.0075,-0.0051,0.0052,0.002,-0.0036,
    0.0006,0.0005,-0.002,0.013,-0.0003
    My 23andMe kit into Eurogenes K36 then oracle (thanks to lukaszM):

    nMonte restricted: Ireland 48.05, SW-England 20.95, Finnish East 20.05, Russian Tver 3.70, Latvian 3.15, Mari 1.90, Lithuanian 1.30, French Basque 0.90, Orcadian 0.00

    nMonte full: Ireland 45.70, Finnish East 20.05, SW-England 20.05, Russian Tver 4.10, Orcadian 3.05, Latvian 2.45, Mari 1.95, Lithuanian 1.45, French Basque 1.00, W-England 0.15, Belarusian East 0.05

    Maternal uncle: R1b-U152

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    More nMonte myself:

    distance% = 1.5521

    Swedish 60
    Irish 30
    Russian_Kostroma 10
    Russian_Orel 0 (and the rest besides Pinega)

    distance% 1.5476

    Swedish 57.5
    Irish 32.5
    Russian_Kostroma 5.83
    Russian_Pinega 4.17
    Last edited by Nibelung; 08-03-2018 at 09:05 PM.
    My 23andMe kit into Eurogenes K36 then oracle (thanks to lukaszM):

    nMonte restricted: Ireland 48.05, SW-England 20.95, Finnish East 20.05, Russian Tver 3.70, Latvian 3.15, Mari 1.90, Lithuanian 1.30, French Basque 0.90, Orcadian 0.00

    nMonte full: Ireland 45.70, Finnish East 20.05, SW-England 20.05, Russian Tver 4.10, Orcadian 3.05, Latvian 2.45, Mari 1.95, Lithuanian 1.45, French Basque 1.00, W-England 0.15, Belarusian East 0.05

    Maternal uncle: R1b-U152

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    Of course my real percentages (Luka's K36 Oracle) are ~ 55+% Insular Celtic, remainder split between Germanic and Finnish, but peninsular Scandinavia massively hogs the profile when you put it all together. Between Sweden and Norway in nMonte I get 60/40, in the K36 Oracle equal for North Sweden and North Norway.
    My 23andMe kit into Eurogenes K36 then oracle (thanks to lukaszM):

    nMonte restricted: Ireland 48.05, SW-England 20.95, Finnish East 20.05, Russian Tver 3.70, Latvian 3.15, Mari 1.90, Lithuanian 1.30, French Basque 0.90, Orcadian 0.00

    nMonte full: Ireland 45.70, Finnish East 20.05, SW-England 20.05, Russian Tver 4.10, Orcadian 3.05, Latvian 2.45, Mari 1.95, Lithuanian 1.45, French Basque 1.00, W-England 0.15, Belarusian East 0.05

    Maternal uncle: R1b-U152

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    Have a look at this, showing the East-West and North-South clines differently:

    distance%= 1.8256

    Irish 74.17
    Russian_Kostroma 25.83

    distance%= 4.2414

    Russian_Kostroma 64.17
    Italian_Bergamo 35.83

    distance% = 4.6888

    Russian_Kostroma 80
    Sardinian 20

    and for reference

    Russian_Kostroma:Russia_Kostr138

    distance% = 6.8959

    EHG 56.67
    Barcin_N 35
    CHG 6.67
    WHG 1.67

    Custom:AGUser_Nibelung

    distance% 5.3173

    EHG 45
    Barcin_N 43.33
    WHG 6.67
    CHG 5
    Last edited by Nibelung; 08-03-2018 at 09:46 PM.
    My 23andMe kit into Eurogenes K36 then oracle (thanks to lukaszM):

    nMonte restricted: Ireland 48.05, SW-England 20.95, Finnish East 20.05, Russian Tver 3.70, Latvian 3.15, Mari 1.90, Lithuanian 1.30, French Basque 0.90, Orcadian 0.00

    nMonte full: Ireland 45.70, Finnish East 20.05, SW-England 20.05, Russian Tver 4.10, Orcadian 3.05, Latvian 2.45, Mari 1.95, Lithuanian 1.45, French Basque 1.00, W-England 0.15, Belarusian East 0.05

    Maternal uncle: R1b-U152

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nibelung View Post
    I just received my maternal uncle's Global 25 from David, but these are for reference for myself here, for use in various models examining the unknown parts of my ancestry, e.g. including 3/4 of my paternal grandmother's.

    Nibelung_uncle_scaled

    0.118376,0.135065,0.055814,0.039729,0.047086,
    0.016733,0.00658,0.007846,0.001023,0.002734,
    -0.008769,0.005845,-0.006244,-0.01101,0.016694,
    0.009944,-0.00665,0.006588,0.002514,-0.004502,
    0.000749,0.000618,-0.002465,0.015665,-0.000359

    Nibelung_uncle

    0.0104,0.0133,0.0148,0.0123,0.0153,
    0.006,0.0028,0.0034,0.0005,0.0015,
    -0.0054,0.0039,-0.0042,-0.008,0.0123,
    0.0075,-0.0051,0.0052,0.002,-0.0036,
    0.0006,0.0005,-0.002,0.013,-0.0003
    I don't see these coordinates added to my user list. Did I not add these? If not, I can add them if you like.
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