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    Quote Originally Posted by J Man View Post
    So then Russian Kostroma may work as a signal of old Finnic type ancestry?
    It looks quite possible. Finnish strongly prefers that to Mordovian. What I don't know yet are the subclades of Y-DNA N. It looks like N-L550 can be found in Russia, but for all we know this Finnish/Russian Kostroma signal could date back to L392/L1026 or before. Here are more results

    Finnish average 1.6081

    Karelian 70
    Russian Kostroma 30 even with Karelia right next door
    Mari 0
    Mordovian 0
    Komi 0

    Finnish East average 0.919

    Karelian 99.17 surprise or not?
    Komi 0.83
    Russian Kostroma 0
    Mari 0
    Mordovian 0

    Finnish average 2.3013

    Russian Kostroma 100 with Karelian removed
    Mari 0
    Mordovian 0
    Komi 0

    Finnish East average 2.5651

    Russian Kostroma 80.83 with Karelian removed
    Komi 19.17
    Mari 0
    Mordovian 0

    Karelian average 1.9713

    Russian Kostroma 85.83
    Komi 14.17
    Mari 0
    Mordovian 0

    So both Finnish East and Karelian still prefer mostly Russian Kostroma and an amount of Komi, while Finnish prefers extra Russian Kostroma even with Finnist East. Karelian prefers extra Russian Kostroma even with Finnish East, except with Mordovian now needed too.

    Finnish average 1.3516

    Finnish East 75
    Russian Kostroma 25
    Komi 0
    Mari 0
    Mordovian 0

    Karelian average 0.4938 crazy fit found by accident

    Finnish East 70
    Russian Kostroma 17.5
    Mordovian 11.67 a first
    Komi 0.83
    Mari 0
    Last edited by Nibelung; 09-21-2018 at 04:13 PM.
    My 23andMe kit into Eurogenes K36 then oracle (thanks to lukaszM):

    nMonte restricted: Ireland 48.05, SW-England 20.95, Finnish East 20.05, Russian Tver 3.70, Latvian 3.15, Mari 1.90, Lithuanian 1.30, French Basque 0.90, Orcadian 0.00

    nMonte full: Ireland 45.70, Finnish East 20.05, SW-England 20.05, Russian Tver 4.10, Orcadian 3.05, Latvian 2.45, Mari 1.95, Lithuanian 1.45, French Basque 1.00, W-England 0.15, Belarusian East 0.05

    Maternal uncle: R1b-U152

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nibelung View Post
    It looks quite possible. Finnish strongly prefers that to Mordovian. What I don't know yet are the subclades of Y-DNA N. It looks like N-L550 can be found in Russia, but for all we know this Finnish/Russian Kostroma signal could date back to L392/L1026 or before. Here are more results

    Finnish average 1.6081

    Karelian 70
    Russian Kostroma 30 even with Karelia right next door
    Mari 0
    Mordovian 0
    Komi 0

    Finnish East average 0.919

    Karelian 99.17 surprise or not?
    Komi 0.83
    Russian Kostroma 0
    Mari 0
    Mordovian 0

    Finnish average 2.3013

    Russian Kostroma 100 with Karelian removed
    Mari 0
    Mordovian 0
    Komi 0

    Finnish East average 2.5651

    Russian Kostroma 80.83 with Karelian removed
    Komi 19.17
    Mari 0
    Mordovian 0

    Karelian average 1.9713

    Russian Kostroma 85.83
    Komi 14.17
    Mari 0
    Mordovian 0

    So both Finnish East and Karelian still prefer mostly Russian Kostroma and an amount of Komi, while Finnish prefers extra Russian Kostroma even with Finnist East. Karelian prefers extra Russian Kostroma even with Finnish East, except with Mordovian now needed too.

    Finnish average 1.3516

    Finnish East 75
    Russian Kostroma 25
    Komi 0
    Mari 0
    Mordovian 0

    Karelian average 0.4938 crazy fit found by accident

    Finnish East 70
    Russian Kostroma 17.5
    Mordovian 11.67 a first
    Komi 0.83
    Mari 0
    Interesting...Do you show much affinity to the Anc_Finn or Anc_Saami samples from the G25?

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    for reference

    Globular Amphora (6 individuals)

    penalty = 0.001 (default)

    fit 2.993

    LBK N 78.33
    SHG 8.33
    WHG 8.33
    EHG 5

    penalty = 0

    Sweden N (1)

    fit 3.784

    LBK N 80
    SHG 13.33
    WHG 5
    EHG 1.67

    Sweden MN (1)

    fit 3.2512

    LBK N 79.17
    SHG 12.5
    WHG 6.67
    EHG 1.67

    penalty = 0

    Globular Amphora (6)

    fit 1.9628

    LBK N 75
    WHG 20
    EHG 5
    SHG 0 why?

    Sweden N (1)

    fit 3.2041

    LBK N 76.67
    WHG 18.33
    EHG 5
    SHG 0 why?

    Sweden MN (1)

    fit 2.2204

    LBK N 77.5
    WHG 21.67
    EHG 0.83
    SHG 0 why?

    Aren't SHG supposed to be around 40/60 EHG/WHG? Obviously we need more Funnelbeaker samples. I assume one of the Swedes here is Gokhem2. What's the other? Could it be the Pitted Ware Ajvide58? Looks doubtful based on %s.
    My 23andMe kit into Eurogenes K36 then oracle (thanks to lukaszM):

    nMonte restricted: Ireland 48.05, SW-England 20.95, Finnish East 20.05, Russian Tver 3.70, Latvian 3.15, Mari 1.90, Lithuanian 1.30, French Basque 0.90, Orcadian 0.00

    nMonte full: Ireland 45.70, Finnish East 20.05, SW-England 20.05, Russian Tver 4.10, Orcadian 3.05, Latvian 2.45, Mari 1.95, Lithuanian 1.45, French Basque 1.00, W-England 0.15, Belarusian East 0.05

    Maternal uncle: R1b-U152

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    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....Fun-Calculator (pg 14)

    With pen on:

    [1] "distance%=2.4491"

    Nibelung_scaled

    CELTIC-NORTHWEST,40
    NORDIC,28.4
    PONTIC-BALTIC,17.4
    BALTIC,4.2
    IBERIAN,3.4
    PANNONIAN,1.4
    CENTRAL-EUROPEAN-PONTIC,1
    EURASIAN-ARCTIC,1
    SOUTH-SIBERIAN,1
    CIMMERIAN,0.8
    CELTIC-SOUTHEAST,0.6
    LEVANTINE,0.4
    SAKA-KYRGYZSTAN,0.2
    SARMATIAN-POKROVKA,0.2

    pen=0:

    [1] "distance%=2.2352"

    Nibelung_scaled

    CELTIC-NORTHWEST,33.4
    PONTIC-BALTIC,32
    NORDIC,27.6
    EURASIAN-ARCTIC,3
    IBERIAN,2.4
    EAST-HUNNIC-MONGOLIAN,1
    IBEROMAURUSIAN,0.4
    SOUTH-AFRICA,0.2

    So here I appear a three way mixture of Insular Celtic, Nordic, and Slavic, with a small amount of so-called Siberian, altogether still equaling Swedish and Norwegian.
    My 23andMe kit into Eurogenes K36 then oracle (thanks to lukaszM):

    nMonte restricted: Ireland 48.05, SW-England 20.95, Finnish East 20.05, Russian Tver 3.70, Latvian 3.15, Mari 1.90, Lithuanian 1.30, French Basque 0.90, Orcadian 0.00

    nMonte full: Ireland 45.70, Finnish East 20.05, SW-England 20.05, Russian Tver 4.10, Orcadian 3.05, Latvian 2.45, Mari 1.95, Lithuanian 1.45, French Basque 1.00, W-England 0.15, Belarusian East 0.05

    Maternal uncle: R1b-U152

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    So Scandinavian origins = (with additional possibilities in parentheses)

    Ertebolle (and/or SHG e.g. Motala)
    Funnelbeaker (and/or Globular Amphora) - leading component possibly including Ertebolle
    Corded Ware - leading component
    Beaker - leading component
    (Unetice) - role uncertain
    (Para-Uralic) - presence uncertain
    (Continental Celtic) - cultural influence on Denmark (possibly also genetic)
    Uralic for Swedes and some Norwegians - semi-principal component depending on region
    My 23andMe kit into Eurogenes K36 then oracle (thanks to lukaszM):

    nMonte restricted: Ireland 48.05, SW-England 20.95, Finnish East 20.05, Russian Tver 3.70, Latvian 3.15, Mari 1.90, Lithuanian 1.30, French Basque 0.90, Orcadian 0.00

    nMonte full: Ireland 45.70, Finnish East 20.05, SW-England 20.05, Russian Tver 4.10, Orcadian 3.05, Latvian 2.45, Mari 1.95, Lithuanian 1.45, French Basque 1.00, W-England 0.15, Belarusian East 0.05

    Maternal uncle: R1b-U152

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    rs4680 GG warrior

    rs909525 T(A) no MAOA issues associated with violent aggression

    rs6311 CC anger and violence associated with CC only

    rs53576 GG "optimistic and empathetic; handle stress well"

    rs1800497 CC "better avoidance of errors, etc."

    rs1805008 TT (red-red) equals mutating red-pink-purple or often totally absent in my case

    rs4343 GG strength versus endurance

    rs4648317 TT "prone to higher nicotine dependence, more impulsive/sensation seeking"

    rs460000 CC "better response to amphetamine... approximately twofold higher ratings of stimulation and euphoria relative to the A/A+A/C"

    rs762551 AA "fast caffeine metabolizer"

    gs159 "CYP1A2 fast metabolizer... your CYP1A2 fast metabolizer status means that you are less stimulated by caffeine"

    rs2472297 CT "associated with (slightly) increased coffee consumption"
    Last edited by Nibelung; 01-11-2019 at 02:14 AM.
    My 23andMe kit into Eurogenes K36 then oracle (thanks to lukaszM):

    nMonte restricted: Ireland 48.05, SW-England 20.95, Finnish East 20.05, Russian Tver 3.70, Latvian 3.15, Mari 1.90, Lithuanian 1.30, French Basque 0.90, Orcadian 0.00

    nMonte full: Ireland 45.70, Finnish East 20.05, SW-England 20.05, Russian Tver 4.10, Orcadian 3.05, Latvian 2.45, Mari 1.95, Lithuanian 1.45, French Basque 1.00, W-England 0.15, Belarusian East 0.05

    Maternal uncle: R1b-U152

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    Received my maternal uncle's (ftDNA) Basal rich K7 from David.

    Ancient North Eurasian 13.63
    Basal rich 29.25
    East Eurasian 0.14
    Oceanian 0.12
    Southeast Asian 0.4
    Sub-Saharan 0.75
    Villabruna-related 55.71

    The SSA is consistent with his imputed 23andMeV5 (.9), whereas the .66 total East Asian surprises here. My mother's just sent off her ftDNA kit and we'll see what happens.
    My 23andMe kit into Eurogenes K36 then oracle (thanks to lukaszM):

    nMonte restricted: Ireland 48.05, SW-England 20.95, Finnish East 20.05, Russian Tver 3.70, Latvian 3.15, Mari 1.90, Lithuanian 1.30, French Basque 0.90, Orcadian 0.00

    nMonte full: Ireland 45.70, Finnish East 20.05, SW-England 20.05, Russian Tver 4.10, Orcadian 3.05, Latvian 2.45, Mari 1.95, Lithuanian 1.45, French Basque 1.00, W-England 0.15, Belarusian East 0.05

    Maternal uncle: R1b-U152

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