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    Quote Originally Posted by poi View Post
    I don't see these coordinates added to my user list. Did I not add these? If not, I can add them if you like.
    Yes, thank you! I had thought about asking you, and then at first thought my uncle might mind, however I don't think so really now since they're not his actual file. He may be 85 but I think he'll understand the difference, and we're having lots of fun with my coordinates now
    My 23andMe kit into Eurogenes K36 then oracle (thanks to lukaszM):

    nMonte restricted: Ireland 48.05, SW-England 20.95, Finnish East 20.05, Russian Tver 3.70, Latvian 3.15, Mari 1.90, Lithuanian 1.30, French Basque 0.90, Orcadian 0.00

    nMonte full: Ireland 45.70, Finnish East 20.05, SW-England 20.05, Russian Tver 4.10, Orcadian 3.05, Latvian 2.45, Mari 1.95, Lithuanian 1.45, French Basque 1.00, W-England 0.15, Belarusian East 0.05

    Maternal uncle: R1b-U152

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nibelung View Post
    Yes, thank you! I had thought about asking you, and then at first thought my uncle might mind, however I don't think so really now since they're not his actual file. He may be 85 but I think he'll understand the difference, and we're having lots of fun with my coordinates now
    These are just coordinates. It's not like we can clone him based on those... yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by poi View Post
    These are just coordinates. It's not like we can clone him based on those... yet.
    Thanks so much for adding him!

    Custom:AGUser_Nibelung_uncle

    distance% = 1.4958

    German 64.17
    Irish 35.83
    Swedish 0
    Russian Kostroma 0

    Custom:AGUser_Nibelung

    distance% = 1.5532

    Swedish 59.17
    Irish 24.17
    Russian Kostroma 9.17
    German 7.5

    Trying various models, German if present always wins out in my uncle's case, even easily over English and Dutch, thus showing that versus Irish appears to give us the simplest equation. In my case, adding German always takes varying numbers away from Swedish to award to more western populations, including Norwegian as it happens, as well as some for itself.

    distance% = 1.4688

    Swedish 38.33
    Norwegian 37.5
    German 18.33
    English 5.83

    distance% = 1.4691

    Swedish 38.33
    Norwegian 38.33
    German 18.33
    Irish 5

    Or maybe I haven't put that quite perfectly, but if we go from 60/40 Swedish+Norwegian and Sweden loses far more while Norway "stays" around 40%, and removing German results in

    distance% = 1.5684

    Swedish 56.67
    Norwegian 30.83
    Irish 12.5

    then I'm probably not far off. Incidentally...

    Nibelung_uncle

    distance% = 1.9813

    Irish 73.33
    Norwegian 13.33
    Swedish 13.33

    my uncle is now Irish (with a quarter Scandinavian). Or not

    distance% = 1.4898

    German 64.17
    Irish 31.67
    Norwegian 3.33
    Swedish 0.83

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    Last edited by Nibelung; 08-04-2018 at 03:21 PM.
    My 23andMe kit into Eurogenes K36 then oracle (thanks to lukaszM):

    nMonte restricted: Ireland 48.05, SW-England 20.95, Finnish East 20.05, Russian Tver 3.70, Latvian 3.15, Mari 1.90, Lithuanian 1.30, French Basque 0.90, Orcadian 0.00

    nMonte full: Ireland 45.70, Finnish East 20.05, SW-England 20.05, Russian Tver 4.10, Orcadian 3.05, Latvian 2.45, Mari 1.95, Lithuanian 1.45, French Basque 1.00, W-England 0.15, Belarusian East 0.05

    Maternal uncle: R1b-U152

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    Something else, finally examining my 23andMe DNA Relatives a little more closely after having the results for a little over a year and a half, a few minutes of looking has verified I do in fact have some French Canadian ancestry on my paternal grandmother's side. I thought it might be coincidence for a moment, because her mother remarried and had a second family, until I started seeing dozens of French names I don't share with my mother's side of the family. Three quarters of my paternal grandmother's ancestry isn't known for certain, and while I heard some of it might be French Canadian (Montreal) when I was younger, my father later contradicted that with Scotch-Irish. My answer to the fans then was that both are possible. The French is at least now verified, but at the same time I recognized none of the names, and can't estimate what percentage of my ancestry it could be yet.
    My 23andMe kit into Eurogenes K36 then oracle (thanks to lukaszM):

    nMonte restricted: Ireland 48.05, SW-England 20.95, Finnish East 20.05, Russian Tver 3.70, Latvian 3.15, Mari 1.90, Lithuanian 1.30, French Basque 0.90, Orcadian 0.00

    nMonte full: Ireland 45.70, Finnish East 20.05, SW-England 20.05, Russian Tver 4.10, Orcadian 3.05, Latvian 2.45, Mari 1.95, Lithuanian 1.45, French Basque 1.00, W-England 0.15, Belarusian East 0.05

    Maternal uncle: R1b-U152

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    At the same time I also have ZERO Irish or Irish American matches I can with confidence associate with her father's family, Donovan. In my personal case there should be Donovans, MacCarthys, Crowleys, Dempseys and others. Nothing. Maybe they tend to focus on the Y-DNA, because I saw a study on the (O')Donovan-Collins-Reagan group by a MacCarthy written just a couple of years ago, verifying the Ui Fidgenti are close relatives of the Eoganacht at least as far as the Y, with a maybe 4th century split matching the ancient genealogies more or less exactly.

    EDIT: There's no NPE to worry about. I get four dots for Ireland in the ancestral groups. Plus, I've seen a photograph with her fully Irish grandfather and g-grandfather in it and she shares their features. In fact the g-grandmother was a Donovan too.

    Wow, I got instant reaction from a bunch of trash out there assuming an NPE, so blinded by the opportunity they forgot about the dots at 23andMe as well as my percentages from Luka. My mother and her brother's results also show no Irish spike, so there's a very strong component from my paternal grandmother. (Nothing wrong with the French Canadian either.) The absence of matches at 23andMe actually extends to the Irish in general, not only missing those names above. Also worth consideration is the possibility a number of potential matches have opted out of participation. Among other complications, due to being an international and megalopolitan personality I put the word out a long time ago I wasn't interested in linking up with people using these services, but you can thank me for getting the Bell Beaker Behemoth delivered a decade early, after I broadcast Winfred Lehmann's circle and other's views on Celtic and Pre-Proto-Indo-European all over the planet.

    btw that doesn't privilege R1b over R1a. They're both in Khvalynsk and all that, and with Tocharian probably being the last descendant of Z2103 Yamnaya somewhat later, we have plenty of timeframe for the development of two leading/surviving macro-branches regardless of the position of Anatolian.
    Last edited by Nibelung; 08-05-2018 at 09:28 PM.
    My 23andMe kit into Eurogenes K36 then oracle (thanks to lukaszM):

    nMonte restricted: Ireland 48.05, SW-England 20.95, Finnish East 20.05, Russian Tver 3.70, Latvian 3.15, Mari 1.90, Lithuanian 1.30, French Basque 0.90, Orcadian 0.00

    nMonte full: Ireland 45.70, Finnish East 20.05, SW-England 20.05, Russian Tver 4.10, Orcadian 3.05, Latvian 2.45, Mari 1.95, Lithuanian 1.45, French Basque 1.00, W-England 0.15, Belarusian East 0.05

    Maternal uncle: R1b-U152

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    So I'm minimum 1/16 French Canadian, max 1/8, with a number of 3rd cousins out there, including one Scottish-French in Nova Scotia who has my grandmother's family's hometown in Massachusetts, dated early to mid 1900's, listed among locations in her profile. My grandmother's mother's and paternal grandmother's surnames aren't known for certain, but I do have their given names (I hope), so I'll probably have the rest eventually now. It's nice that these people didn't know much of anything about this before testing, that we could even possibly be related, so I'm making an exception in their cases as far as communication.

    As far as the autosomal profile, I understand many French Canadians are of Northern French origin, so it probably blends right in.
    My 23andMe kit into Eurogenes K36 then oracle (thanks to lukaszM):

    nMonte restricted: Ireland 48.05, SW-England 20.95, Finnish East 20.05, Russian Tver 3.70, Latvian 3.15, Mari 1.90, Lithuanian 1.30, French Basque 0.90, Orcadian 0.00

    nMonte full: Ireland 45.70, Finnish East 20.05, SW-England 20.05, Russian Tver 4.10, Orcadian 3.05, Latvian 2.45, Mari 1.95, Lithuanian 1.45, French Basque 1.00, W-England 0.15, Belarusian East 0.05

    Maternal uncle: R1b-U152

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    My K47 (Lukasz Macuga) using the ftDNA file, which I assume David also used for my Global 25

    Celtic 21.20%
    West Finnic 16.22%
    East European 15.34%
    North Sea Germanic 10.64%
    Scando-Germanic 9.16%
    Baltic 7.44%
    North Iberian 6.86%
    East Iberian 3.45%
    Central Mediterranean 2.96%
    Paleo-Balkan 2.45%
    North Caucasian 2.23%
    Volgan 1.20%
    South African Hunter-Gatherer 0.66%
    Papuan 0.13%
    Arabic 0.06%

    edit: Combined Germanic 19.8%, although it just so happens I get 9.4% Scandinavian at 23andMe (V4), with two dots for Sweden, and with that file 9.29% (+ 10.79% NSG ) in the K47. The major difference is I only get 15.76% Celtic with the V4, the difference going into a lot of other things, mostly my Iberian-Mediterranean-Balkan-Caucasian-Pamirian but also my Baltic (1.37%), yet not my East European, 0.35% of which I lose. Huh?
    Last edited by Nibelung; 08-18-2018 at 08:27 PM.
    My 23andMe kit into Eurogenes K36 then oracle (thanks to lukaszM):

    nMonte restricted: Ireland 48.05, SW-England 20.95, Finnish East 20.05, Russian Tver 3.70, Latvian 3.15, Mari 1.90, Lithuanian 1.30, French Basque 0.90, Orcadian 0.00

    nMonte full: Ireland 45.70, Finnish East 20.05, SW-England 20.05, Russian Tver 4.10, Orcadian 3.05, Latvian 2.45, Mari 1.95, Lithuanian 1.45, French Basque 1.00, W-England 0.15, Belarusian East 0.05

    Maternal uncle: R1b-U152

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    Before the Y-DNA haplogroup N matter returns yet again, the Rurikovich family have been aware of me since around 2011, and I presume also Gedimin's family from 2012. Trust me. I count, and I'll be working with the latter in a year or two on a number of topics, and my O'Donovan cousins in Ireland (and the O'Rourkes) probably with the former.

    Knowing Vladimir Putin helps too. Since 2012. Rumor's been he's N. He won't tell anyone though. Being from St. Petersburg Baltic ancestry's possible. The way it works is if you or someone brings up ethno-linguistics matters he's more than happy to address Uralic matters if he has any time, but he really only self-identifies as Russian.
    Last edited by Nibelung; 08-18-2018 at 09:15 PM.
    My 23andMe kit into Eurogenes K36 then oracle (thanks to lukaszM):

    nMonte restricted: Ireland 48.05, SW-England 20.95, Finnish East 20.05, Russian Tver 3.70, Latvian 3.15, Mari 1.90, Lithuanian 1.30, French Basque 0.90, Orcadian 0.00

    nMonte full: Ireland 45.70, Finnish East 20.05, SW-England 20.05, Russian Tver 4.10, Orcadian 3.05, Latvian 2.45, Mari 1.95, Lithuanian 1.45, French Basque 1.00, W-England 0.15, Belarusian East 0.05

    Maternal uncle: R1b-U152

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    So to get to my actual 50-60% Insular Celtic known from Lukasz's other calculations, is it so simple as adding most of my East European and Mediterranean to that? Probably not, because I've seen many of you out there get your own amounts of West Finnic and other things. Still, it's a way of thinking about the East-West and North-South clines, and reminds of how in nMonte I still score substantial North Italian (35.83%) if modeled between that and Kostroma Russian. I score 40% Bergamo with Mordovian. Finally, Fritz recently reminded us of the ultimate European cline from Mordovian to Sardinian and here I score 77.5% vs 22.5%.
    Last edited by Nibelung; 08-19-2018 at 05:40 PM.
    My 23andMe kit into Eurogenes K36 then oracle (thanks to lukaszM):

    nMonte restricted: Ireland 48.05, SW-England 20.95, Finnish East 20.05, Russian Tver 3.70, Latvian 3.15, Mari 1.90, Lithuanian 1.30, French Basque 0.90, Orcadian 0.00

    nMonte full: Ireland 45.70, Finnish East 20.05, SW-England 20.05, Russian Tver 4.10, Orcadian 3.05, Latvian 2.45, Mari 1.95, Lithuanian 1.45, French Basque 1.00, W-England 0.15, Belarusian East 0.05

    Maternal uncle: R1b-U152

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    distance% = 34.7214

    Ust'Ishim 100
    Han 0

    distance% = 34.7163

    Ust'Ishim 99.17
    Clovis 0.83
    Han 0

    Due to massive subsequent drift in East Asia and the Americas, or are the results simply nonsensical? Ust'Ishim automatically eats almost everything? Mongolian 0% also; first mixed results with Khanty and Mansi; finally Mordovian scores 100% vs Ust'Ishim, as does Udmurt with a much worse fit. I've discovered general relativity, perhaps. My uncle's results are essentially the same except he gets no Clovis and obviously I'm a bit closer to the Uralics. Incidentally, I'm also a collateral descendant, more or less, of both Ust'Ishim and Oase1 in the male line, both K2a.

    Botai, whether relevant or not, scores higher than Khanty, less than Mansi.
    Last edited by Nibelung; 08-20-2018 at 11:57 PM.
    My 23andMe kit into Eurogenes K36 then oracle (thanks to lukaszM):

    nMonte restricted: Ireland 48.05, SW-England 20.95, Finnish East 20.05, Russian Tver 3.70, Latvian 3.15, Mari 1.90, Lithuanian 1.30, French Basque 0.90, Orcadian 0.00

    nMonte full: Ireland 45.70, Finnish East 20.05, SW-England 20.05, Russian Tver 4.10, Orcadian 3.05, Latvian 2.45, Mari 1.95, Lithuanian 1.45, French Basque 1.00, W-England 0.15, Belarusian East 0.05

    Maternal uncle: R1b-U152

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