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    The Han do show extreme drift with a population ancestral to Onge of course, but modelling them as Nganassan vs Onge gives 40.83% to 59.17%, thus showing some preference for North ENA still. Replacing Onge with Ust'Ishim, they score 55.83% Nganassan vs 44.17% Ust'Ishim, showing surprising resistance to going all for the mostly ENA Nganassan in favor of a partial default to the archaic sample. Furthermore, adding Karitiana only scores that 5%, versus 53.33% Nganassan / 41.67% Ust'Ishim. In combination with nothing so far mentioned do they score any MA1 or AG3. Ust'Ishim scores 100% vs ANE.
    My 23andMe kit into Eurogenes K36 then oracle (thanks to lukaszM):

    nMonte restricted: Ireland 48.05, SW-England 20.95, Finnish East 20.05, Russian Tver 3.70, Latvian 3.15, Mari 1.90, Lithuanian 1.30, French Basque 0.90, Orcadian 0.00

    nMonte full: Ireland 45.70, Finnish East 20.05, SW-England 20.05, Russian Tver 4.10, Orcadian 3.05, Latvian 2.45, Mari 1.95, Lithuanian 1.45, French Basque 1.00, W-England 0.15, Belarusian East 0.05

    Maternal uncle: R1b-U152

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    (Han) B_Han-3 "below 11% group average"

    distance% = 27.7804

    Tianyuan 100
    Ust-Ishim 0

    Tianyuan 100
    MA1 0

    Tianyuan 100
    Onge 0

    distance% = 25.3138

    Tianyuan 70.83
    Nganassan 29.17
    Ust-Ishim 0
    Onge 0

    and again with

    distance% = 30.5536

    Nganassan 55.83
    Ust-Ishim 44.17

    now (Han) HGDP00781 "exceeds 37% group average"

    distance% = 32.4341

    Nganassan 51.67
    Ust-Ishim 48.33

    distance% = 26.7803

    Tianyuan 76.67
    Nganassan 23.33

    The second sample obviously prefers both more Tianyuan and Ust-Ishim. Both moderns score 0.83% Karitiana taken from Tianyuan in Tianyuan+Nganassan+Karitiana+Onge. 0% Onge both cases.

    Moving towards Europe, Tianyuan fizzles in Mansi.
    Last edited by Nibelung; 08-22-2018 at 03:29 PM.
    My 23andMe kit into Eurogenes K36 then oracle (thanks to lukaszM):

    nMonte restricted: Ireland 48.05, SW-England 20.95, Finnish East 20.05, Russian Tver 3.70, Latvian 3.15, Mari 1.90, Lithuanian 1.30, French Basque 0.90, Orcadian 0.00

    nMonte full: Ireland 45.70, Finnish East 20.05, SW-England 20.05, Russian Tver 4.10, Orcadian 3.05, Latvian 2.45, Mari 1.95, Lithuanian 1.45, French Basque 1.00, W-England 0.15, Belarusian East 0.05

    Maternal uncle: R1b-U152

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    Two Mongols

    Mongol107 "exceeds 14% group average"

    distance% = 15.2719

    Nganassan 57.5
    Onge 42.5

    distance% = 13.717

    Tianyuan 50.83
    Nganassan 49.17
    Onge 0

    distance% = 14.957

    Nganassan 57.5
    Onge 25.83
    Ust Ishim 16.67

    distance% = 12.2187

    Han North China 60
    Nganassan 40

    distance% = 15.2367

    Nganassan 60
    Ust Ishim 40
    MA1 0

    Mongol119 "below 13% group average"

    distance% = 15.2889

    Nganassan 57.5
    Onge 42.5

    distance%= 13.6697

    Tianyuan 50.83
    Nganassan 49.17
    Onge 0

    distance% = 15.1277

    Nganassan 58.33
    Onge 29.17
    Ust Ishim 12.5

    distance% = 11.663

    Han North China 60.83
    Nganassan 39.17

    distance% = 15.4533

    Nganassan 60.83
    Ust Ishim 39.17
    MA1 0

    MA1 appears to change things a little only if you add Onge or Tianyuan again for some reason. Otherwise Nganassan eats it. AG3 gets 0.83% or nothing.

    Mongol107

    distance% = 15.0042

    Nganassan 56.67
    Onge 30
    Ust-Ishim 9.17
    MA1 4.17

    Mongol119

    distance% = 15.1427

    Nganassan 57.5
    Onge 33.33
    Ust-Ishim 6.67
    MA1 2.5
    Last edited by Nibelung; 08-22-2018 at 05:49 PM.
    My 23andMe kit into Eurogenes K36 then oracle (thanks to lukaszM):

    nMonte restricted: Ireland 48.05, SW-England 20.95, Finnish East 20.05, Russian Tver 3.70, Latvian 3.15, Mari 1.90, Lithuanian 1.30, French Basque 0.90, Orcadian 0.00

    nMonte full: Ireland 45.70, Finnish East 20.05, SW-England 20.05, Russian Tver 4.10, Orcadian 3.05, Latvian 2.45, Mari 1.95, Lithuanian 1.45, French Basque 1.00, W-England 0.15, Belarusian East 0.05

    Maternal uncle: R1b-U152

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    I've found one or two Finnish East with particularly high Nganassan, 8.33/9.17% for HG00271, 8.33/7.5% for HG00187, vs Yamnaya_Samara+Barcin_N+WHG. Mordovian 493_R02C02 7.5%. Jeong et al (2018) suggest modelling Uralics and Russians using Nganassan included with the European standard model. Three out of six Kostroma Russians score 5.83%. Obviously many other Uralic Russians score far higher ENA. David has Nganassans at ~70.5%/29.5% East Asian/ANE, highest among all Uralics, although I should remind everyone they're generally considered assimilated Paleo-Siberians. The potentially or likely more purely Uralic Nenets have somewhat less ENA, but on the other hand they actually have traditions of absorbing another people.

    Eurogenes Basal-rich K7 spreadsheet
    Last edited by Nibelung; 08-22-2018 at 10:33 PM.
    My 23andMe kit into Eurogenes K36 then oracle (thanks to lukaszM):

    nMonte restricted: Ireland 48.05, SW-England 20.95, Finnish East 20.05, Russian Tver 3.70, Latvian 3.15, Mari 1.90, Lithuanian 1.30, French Basque 0.90, Orcadian 0.00

    nMonte full: Ireland 45.70, Finnish East 20.05, SW-England 20.05, Russian Tver 4.10, Orcadian 3.05, Latvian 2.45, Mari 1.95, Lithuanian 1.45, French Basque 1.00, W-England 0.15, Belarusian East 0.05

    Maternal uncle: R1b-U152

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    Getting wild scores for the Forest Yukaghir using Nganassan, North China Han, Tianyuan, Ust-Ishim. MA1 extremely high, defeating both moderns. Loses, but not too badly, vs Tianyuan or Ust-Ishim. Using AG3 together with MA1 warps matters to some degree. In any event, try Yukaghir_Forest:Nel19 first and foremost.
    Last edited by Nibelung; 08-22-2018 at 11:37 PM.
    My 23andMe kit into Eurogenes K36 then oracle (thanks to lukaszM):

    nMonte restricted: Ireland 48.05, SW-England 20.95, Finnish East 20.05, Russian Tver 3.70, Latvian 3.15, Mari 1.90, Lithuanian 1.30, French Basque 0.90, Orcadian 0.00

    nMonte full: Ireland 45.70, Finnish East 20.05, SW-England 20.05, Russian Tver 4.10, Orcadian 3.05, Latvian 2.45, Mari 1.95, Lithuanian 1.45, French Basque 1.00, W-England 0.15, Belarusian East 0.05

    Maternal uncle: R1b-U152

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    After I look at the Evenks I'll begin preparing a separate thread with everything. Maybe I could put the successor of that elsewhere on the web, e.g. talk with David.
    My 23andMe kit into Eurogenes K36 then oracle (thanks to lukaszM):

    nMonte restricted: Ireland 48.05, SW-England 20.95, Finnish East 20.05, Russian Tver 3.70, Latvian 3.15, Mari 1.90, Lithuanian 1.30, French Basque 0.90, Orcadian 0.00

    nMonte full: Ireland 45.70, Finnish East 20.05, SW-England 20.05, Russian Tver 4.10, Orcadian 3.05, Latvian 2.45, Mari 1.95, Lithuanian 1.45, French Basque 1.00, W-England 0.15, Belarusian East 0.05

    Maternal uncle: R1b-U152

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    For a significant part of the answer to the Japanese, whom we can get to once the Jomon are available, here I quote Fernando Racimo from the McColl et al 2018 Southeast Asia study, which includes a Jomon sample, on his twitter July 6

    "We find an affinity between Jomon and the Hoabinhian / Onge-like layer, suggesting that this layer was perhaps quite extended over East Asia before the Neolithic. We can best model Jomon as Hoabihian+E.A., and Japanese as Jomon + extra E.A."
    My 23andMe kit into Eurogenes K36 then oracle (thanks to lukaszM):

    nMonte restricted: Ireland 48.05, SW-England 20.95, Finnish East 20.05, Russian Tver 3.70, Latvian 3.15, Mari 1.90, Lithuanian 1.30, French Basque 0.90, Orcadian 0.00

    nMonte full: Ireland 45.70, Finnish East 20.05, SW-England 20.05, Russian Tver 4.10, Orcadian 3.05, Latvian 2.45, Mari 1.95, Lithuanian 1.45, French Basque 1.00, W-England 0.15, Belarusian East 0.05

    Maternal uncle: R1b-U152

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    My Irish and Kostroma Russian went up

    distance% = 1.4505

    Swedish 50
    Irish 38.33
    Russian Kostroma 11.67

    adding German now gives me significantly different results than before

    distance% = 1.4269

    Swedish 45
    Irish 30.83
    German 15
    Russian Kostroma 9.17

    now with Karelian (I refuse to use Finnish)

    distance% = 1.2996

    Irish 31.67
    Swedish 30
    German 24.17
    Karelian 14.17

    distance% = 1.3915

    Swedish 44.17
    Irish 43.33
    Karelian 12.5

    distance% = 1.3078

    German 42.5
    Irish 40.83
    Karelian 16.67

    distance% = 1.3355

    Irish 42.5
    German 40.83
    Karelian 13.33
    Russian Kostroma 3.33 (I get to keep some!)

    The next might closely represent my overall profile, despite the fit

    distance% = 1.5529

    Swedish 53.33
    German 36.67
    Karelian 10
    My 23andMe kit into Eurogenes K36 then oracle (thanks to lukaszM):

    nMonte restricted: Ireland 48.05, SW-England 20.95, Finnish East 20.05, Russian Tver 3.70, Latvian 3.15, Mari 1.90, Lithuanian 1.30, French Basque 0.90, Orcadian 0.00

    nMonte full: Ireland 45.70, Finnish East 20.05, SW-England 20.05, Russian Tver 4.10, Orcadian 3.05, Latvian 2.45, Mari 1.95, Lithuanian 1.45, French Basque 1.00, W-England 0.15, Belarusian East 0.05

    Maternal uncle: R1b-U152

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    Just got my Basal rich K7 from David

    Ancient North Eurasian 17.25
    Basal rich 23.51
    East Eurasian 0.55
    Oceanian 0.05
    Southeast Asian 0.23
    Sub-Saharan 0.33
    Villabruna-related 58.07
    My 23andMe kit into Eurogenes K36 then oracle (thanks to lukaszM):

    nMonte restricted: Ireland 48.05, SW-England 20.95, Finnish East 20.05, Russian Tver 3.70, Latvian 3.15, Mari 1.90, Lithuanian 1.30, French Basque 0.90, Orcadian 0.00

    nMonte full: Ireland 45.70, Finnish East 20.05, SW-England 20.05, Russian Tver 4.10, Orcadian 3.05, Latvian 2.45, Mari 1.95, Lithuanian 1.45, French Basque 1.00, W-England 0.15, Belarusian East 0.05

    Maternal uncle: R1b-U152

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    Being mostly Cheddar is something we all have to live with in Northern Europe, although some of that's the fancy kind from Anatolia. What I'm here to brag about is being in the 17% ANCIENT NORTH EURASIAN range, when we all know 16% (England, Germany) is where the problems really start and people start to flip out like they're the most NORDIC thing ever. Plus that 0.83% whatever makes me like the JADE EMPEROR too, and I get to do feng shui with that, just to make you feel even more left out.
    My 23andMe kit into Eurogenes K36 then oracle (thanks to lukaszM):

    nMonte restricted: Ireland 48.05, SW-England 20.95, Finnish East 20.05, Russian Tver 3.70, Latvian 3.15, Mari 1.90, Lithuanian 1.30, French Basque 0.90, Orcadian 0.00

    nMonte full: Ireland 45.70, Finnish East 20.05, SW-England 20.05, Russian Tver 4.10, Orcadian 3.05, Latvian 2.45, Mari 1.95, Lithuanian 1.45, French Basque 1.00, W-England 0.15, Belarusian East 0.05

    Maternal uncle: R1b-U152

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