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    Quote Originally Posted by randwulf View Post
    With reference to the Siberian K10 calculators in case someone hasn't read the original post I made on the topic - the references were taken from the more "formal" tests used in the Bolshoy paper that was described by @Generalissimo in one of his posts on the Eurogenes blog. The paper was trying to determine evidence of "eastern" type admixture in European populations. If things are hanging together well, more "westerly" Europeans without recent admixture from the east should mostly be WHG/LBK/Yamnaya in this test. More easterly Europeans should pick up some EHG/Nganassan/Han type admixture and the other references allow more recent outlier type ancestry to be represented. It was good fun. Here are my family results:

    Attachment 27542

    Here is the Latvian HG that @ph2ter referenced:

    Attachment 27543

    Here are some modern Balts from the G25 reference set:

    Attachment 27544

    These all were run with scaled, averages, pen=0, 1000 cycles, 500 batch.
    I forgot to mention that I enjoyed your calculator, when I tried it last week.
    However, is there a reason behind your choice for Han instead of Naxi? I remember that you used to employ them as your East Asian source before and frankly they also work better for me here.

    [1] "distance%=3.1766"

    Romanianorkymon

    LBK_EN,45.8333333333333
    Yamnaya_Samara,43.3333333333333
    WHG,5
    Han,3.33333333333333
    EHG,1.66666666666667
    BedouinB,0.833333333333333


    [1] "distance%=3.1499"

    Romanianorkymon

    LBK_EN,47.5
    Yamnaya_Samara,41.6666666666667
    WHG,4.16666666666667
    EHG,3.33333333333333
    Naxi,3.33333333333333
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    FTDNA: 45% Southeast Euro, 45% East Euro, 4% British Isles, 3% West Middle East, 2% NE Asia
    Global 25: Anatolia_N 50.2%, EHG 32.6%, CHG 11.2%, WHG 3.8%, East Asian 2.2%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorkymon View Post
    I forgot to mention that I enjoyed your calculator, when I tried it last week.
    However, is there a reason behind your choice for Han instead of Naxi? I remember that you used to employ them as your East Asian source before and frankly they also work better for me here.

    [1] "distance%=3.1766"

    Romanianorkymon

    LBK_EN,45.8333333333333
    Yamnaya_Samara,43.3333333333333
    WHG,5
    Han,3.33333333333333
    EHG,1.66666666666667
    BedouinB,0.833333333333333


    [1] "distance%=3.1499"

    Romanianorkymon

    LBK_EN,47.5
    Yamnaya_Samara,41.6666666666667
    WHG,4.16666666666667
    EHG,3.33333333333333
    Naxi,3.33333333333333
    Thanks. I was just using the references for the models that were in the Bolshoy paper (as I remember creating this model a few months ago) where they matched references in the G25 set by name. It is all an approximation anyway, I think, so you probably could improve the model for any given person/region by customizing it like you have. Someone else mentioned substituting different farmer references, too, but I chose to stick with the named references.

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    I want to do some nMonte's but i don't have a computer. Can you please help me for run nMonte?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mykhailo View Post
    Anyone got higher than 10.83 WHG?

    I did:

    K10 Siberian (averages)

    Custom:AGUser_JMcB
    Pen 0.001

    Fit 3.9663

    LBK EN K10 43.33
    Yamnaya Samara K10 42.5
    WHG K10 11.67
    EHG K10 2.5


    K10 Siberian (individuals)

    Custom:AGUser_JMcB
    Pen 0.001

    Fit 3.6567

    LBK EN K10 43.33
    Yamnaya Samara K10 43.33
    WHG K10 10.83
    EHG 2.5



    Edit: To mirror Randwulf’s run here are mine using:

    K10 Siberian (averages)

    Custom:AGUser_JMcB

    Pen 0
    1000 cycles
    500 batches

    Fit 3.9446

    Yamnaya Samara K10 43.6
    LBK EN K10 42.8
    WHG K10 13.2
    EHG K10 0.4
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    Quote Originally Posted by zuzu14 View Post
    I want to do some nMonte's but i don't have a computer. Can you please help me for run nMonte?
    I recommend you get @poi to add your coordinates to the web runner tool that is this thread's discussion topic and then you can run them without a computer. I worked up a basic model for you that you can use for starters for experimentation once your coordinates are added. First, you are closest in "distance" to the following modern references, though I am not sure how much this means given your Balkan/Turk mixture (you will be closest to others that have some similar mixes):

    Code:
    [1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
    Italian_Abruzzo:ItalyAbruzzo20        Ashkenazi_Jew:AP7B12_h2            Ashkenazi_Jew:AP9D6 
                          1.923278                       1.948769                       1.956323 
               Ashkenazi_Jew:AP5E6            Bulgarian:Bulgaria1           Ashkenazi_Jew:AP2D10 
                          1.967562                       1.970152                       1.970863 
           Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5            Ashkenazi_Jew:APB12 
                          1.972486                       1.978029
    Given that and your reported ancestry, I came up with the following model of the moderns:

    [1] "distance%=0.7424"

    Macedonian,33.4
    Serbian,23.2
    Turkish_Balikesir,16.4
    Turkish_Adana,14.6
    Assyrian,12.4

    Here is the Dorkymon Balkans K4 which you can run for yourself once you get poi to add your coordinates to the tool:

    zuzu_balkansK4.png

    Lastly, here is an Iron Age model that I created for general usage (it also is on the tool):

    [1] "distance%=1.1523"

    Caucasian,42.8
    Med,34.2
    Europe,11.4
    SWAsian,7
    CentAsian,1.8
    IndoAryan,1
    Polar,0.8
    NAfrican,0.6
    Oceanic,0.2
    Uralic,0.2

    If I shut off the distance penalty, I get this on the same Iron Age calculator:

    [1] "distance%=0.7383"

    Med,29.6
    Europe,22.4
    CentAsian,17.8
    Caucasian,16.4
    SWAsian,10
    IndoAryan,1.8
    NAfrican,1.2
    EAfrican,0.8

    I hope that helps!
    Last edited by randwulf; 12-06-2018 at 05:35 PM.

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    Interesting, using the Geneplaza ancient calc created by Kurd I was tied for most WHG with two Finnish people, out of nearly 200 people who shared their result.

    So using Randwulf calc is also consistent with that only JMcB has higher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mykhailo View Post
    Interesting, using the Geneplaza ancient calc created by Kurd I was tied for most WHG with two Finnish people, out of nearly 200 people who shared their result.

    So using Randwulf calc is also consistent with that only JMcB has higher.
    You got a good EHG score, too, which I think is appropriate for your ancestry, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by randwulf View Post
    You got a good EHG score, too, which I think is appropriate for your ancestry, right?
    Do you know what population peaks in EHG?

    I guess I am a more Hunter-Gatherers than most lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mykhailo View Post
    Do you know what population peaks in EHG?

    I guess I am a more Hunter-Gatherers than most lol
    I am not sure on the peak. I know Northeast Europeans show a good amount, though.

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    Well all you need is a Basque to actually test and he'll probably have more than 11%

    Scaled, with averages
    1 BedouinB_K10 +EHG_K10 +Han_K10 +LBK_EN_K10 +Mbuti_K10 +Mixe_K10 +Nganassan_K10 +Onge_K10 +WHG_K10 +Yamnaya_Samara_K10 Basque_Spanish:Average 4.5143 0 2.5 0 59.17 0 0 0 0 15 23.33
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    [1] "distance%=1.7726"

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    Roman_Imperial_proxy,13.6
    Guanche,8.8

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