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    R1a1a1b2a?

    Hello there,

    I recently put my Ancestry data through the Morely Y-DNA Haplogroup calculator and got 'most likely R1a1a1b2a (R1a-Z94)'.

    My other results were: K, A1, N1a and R1b1a2a2c.

    I've not really been able to find many resources or info on the origins of the R1a1a1b2a group, I was wondering if the good fellows of Anthrogenica had any to hand?

    Is it a Yamnaya derived haplogroup? Or a perhaps later and more associated with British Beaker migrations?

    Thanks in advance!
    Last edited by penlanach; 08-02-2018 at 02:27 PM.

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    Hi penlanach and welcome. Iím a born Scot with an R1a Ydna haplogroup. I am also positive for Z94. You will need additional testing to pin down your exact position on the Y tree. Here is Z94 as determined by Yfull. I am the last one on this list.

    https://yfull.com/tree/R-Z94/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amerijoe View Post
    Hi penlanach and welcome. I’m a born Scot with an R1a Ydna haplogroup. I am also positive for Z94. You will need additional testing to pin down your exact position on the Y tree. Here is Z94 as determined by Yfull. I am the last one on this list.
    Thanks Amerijoe!

    I'm from Cumbria just over the border, but my ancestry is largely Scottish. Although there is little difference between Cumbrians and Scots, especially in the north and west of the county close to the border. So looks like we may be prehistoric relatives!

    I'd love to get a Living DNA test done, but they're quite a lot more expensive than the others, sadly. One day!

    Where abouts in Scotland are you from originally?

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    Penlanach, I was born in Paisley. Mumís side of the family are a mix of Scots & Irish, traced back to mid 1700ís. No info on paternal side unfortunately, but my breakdown indicates a higher English mix than Mumís McKenzie side. I would highly recommend Livingdna for regional autosomal breakdown. I have 1.4% Cumbria according to them; so we could share a few snps from the past. If you havenít downloaded to Gedmatch as of yet, here is their link https://www.gedmatch.com/login1.php. Just had a second cousin on Mumís side show up yesterday. Give me a shout when your K36 analysis is completed. Lukasz does a great job in his analysis. Good Luck. Amerijoe

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    penlanach -

    You ought to get yourself a y-dna test from FTDNA while the big summer sale is on. Morley's Tool is pretty good, but you ought to have a y-dna test just to be sure, and with FTDNA you'll get some str matches, as well.
     


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    Y-DNA: R1b-FGC36981 (L21> DF13> Z39589> CTS2501> Z43690> Y8426> BY160> FGC36974>FGC36982 >FGC36981)

    Additional Data:
    Lactase Persistent:
    rs4988235 AA (13910 TT)
    rs182549 TT (22018 AA)

    Red Hair Carrier:
    Arg160Trp+ (rs1805008 T) aka R160W

    Dad's mtDNA: K1a1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amerijoe View Post
    Penlanach, I was born in Paisley. Mum’s side of the family are a mix of Scots & Irish, traced back to mid 1700’s. No info on paternal side unfortunately, but my breakdown indicates a higher English mix than Mum’s McKenzie side. I would highly recommend Livingdna for regional autosomal breakdown. I have 1.4% Cumbria according to them; so we could share a few snps from the past. If you haven’t downloaded to Gedmatch as of yet, here is their link Just had a second cousin on Mum’s side show up yesterday. Give me a shout when your K36 analysis is completed. Lukasz does a great job in his analysis. Good Luck. Amerijoe
    Paisley, nice!

    Most of my Scottish ancestry is from the South West as you might imagine.

    I got a report done by lukasz a few days ago. Very revealing. I was surprised by the Dutch and German matches. I wonder if they're prehistoric such as Beaker, or if they're simply Anglo-Saxon. Strange as my North East England isn't so high, which is where you'd expect to get my Anglo-Saxon heritage via. Maybe some of the Scottish has the A-s in there.

    Scotland,27.4
    Niedersachsen,26.4
    NL_Gelderland,19
    Northern_Ireland,16
    Cumbria,9.6
    Nordrhein-Westfalen,1.6

    The different methods put my British ones a bit more evenly.

    1 Scotland @ 8,94306
    2 NL_Gelderland @ 9,212486
    3 Niedersachsen @ 9,235477
    4 Northern_Ireland @ 9,336324
    5 Cumbria @ 9,372571
    6 Wales @ 9,995805
    7 Orkney @ 10,553178

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    What did yours reveal?

    My K36 results were:

    Basque 3.15
    Central_Euro 8.04
    East_Balkan 6.17
    East_Central_Euro 4.97
    Eastern_Euro 4.40
    Fennoscandian 4.29
    French 7.04
    Iberian 8.81
    Italian 5.36
    North_Atlantic 19.63
    North_Caucasian 2.97
    North_Sea 24.35
    West_Med 0.79

    Fairly British/'Celtic'?

    I get very high Hunter-gatherer results on the archaic/ancient calculators.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    penlanach -

    You ought to get yourself a y-dna test from FTDNA while the big summer sale is on. Morley's Tool is pretty good, but you ought to have a y-dna test just to be sure, and with FTDNA you'll get some str matches, as well.
    It's on my list at some point, but I just booked an holiday to Porto so no more DNA tests for me this year

    I'd do anything for a Living DNA
    Last edited by penlanach; 08-05-2018 at 10:47 PM.

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