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    Any information on E-V1515*

    Any new information on E-V1515*?

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    Nevgen says i am E-V1515....i am getting my snp results pertinent to E-Z827 from ftdna any time soon. I am fking nervous .....tantamount to opening a pandora box.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WADIGAJI View Post
    Nevgen says i am E-V1515....i am getting my snp results pertinent to E-Z827 from ftdna any time soon. I am fking nervous .....tantamount to opening a pandora box.
    https://yfull.com/arch-4.09/tree/E-V1515/

    It connects V6, V42, and the famous Southeast African E-M293.

    According to researchers it originated in the Northern part of the Horn of Africa.

    We observed the highest frequency and diversity of this haplogroup in the northern part of the Horn of Africa (present day Eritrea and northern Ethiopia), where the majority of the deepest E-V1515 subhaplogroups and paragroups were found. In the southern part of the Horn (southern Ethiopia, Somalia and northern Kenya), haplogroup E-V1515 is almost exclusively represented by the recent (3.5 ka; 95% CI: 1.7–5.9 ka) subhaplogroup E-V1486. Further south, in southern Kenya and southern Africa, a single E-V1486 terminal clade, known as E-M293 (Henn et al. 2008), was found (fig. 3). This phylogeographic pattern is strongly suggestive of human movements from the northern part of the Horn to the Ethiopian/Kenyan borders between 12 ka (the coalescence of E-V1515) and 3.5 ka (the coalescence of E-V1486), and from here toward southern Africa across the equatorial belt in more recent times.[2]

    It may prove that Cushites originated further North and that the South Cushites like the Iraqw could have origins from all the way in Eritrea thousands of years ago.
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    Thanks NetNomad ….I just received my subclade from ftdna , and discovered I am indeed E-V6. A complete shock when I discovered I was an E and not J , since my autosomal admixture was 60 % middle eastern ,but now I am glad and at peace with being E-V6. Now on to dig even more for further analysis of this group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WADIGAJI View Post
    Thanks NetNomad ….I just received my subclade from ftdna , and discovered I am indeed E-V6. A complete shock when I discovered I was an E and not J , since my autosomal admixture was 60 % middle eastern ,but now I am glad and at peace with being E-V6. Now on to dig even more for further analysis of this group.
    Not surprising at all; most somalis, horn african brethrens, and some arabians tend to belong to the downstreams of E-V1515 such as E-V6, E-V42 and other more recent subclades; it seems to me the older these haplogroups get such as E-V1515* or E-M123 they tend to be found in areas like the Levant/Iraq, remnants of old natufians proved to belong to E-M123 and I assume similar cases would also be found for E-V1515*, up to now most subclades of E-V1515 that pop up in the Horn of Africa seem too recent; beside E-M298 which seems a purely African downstream; origination of E-V1515 seems more plausible in the Middle East rather than East Africa because Paternal lineages of E-Z827, E-Z830 and its downstreams of E-M123 seem to have more connection to the Middle East rather than East Africa; so if anything E-V1515* will eventually side with its Paternal lineages in terms of origin.
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    Missouri , I am assuming you are a confirmed E-V1515*...and since E-V1515* is only found in Tigres of Eritrea , well, according to ethiohelix at least, can we assume you are Tigre? And as for the prevalence of E-V1515, doubt that is the case outside Eritrea and northern Ethiopia. Somalis are mostly E-V32 and not a whole of E-V1515 , especially E-V6 , E-V1785 and E-V42. Anyway, this results are from an awfully few samples , and thus any claim is to be consumed with a grain of salt. Too bad many Eritreans who underwent dna test want to remain anonymous ...even those with dna matches .

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    Quote Originally Posted by WADIGAJI View Post
    Missouri , I am assuming you are a confirmed E-V1515*...and since E-V1515* is only found in Tigres of Eritrea , well, according to ethiohelix at least, can we assume you are Tigre? And as for the prevalence of E-V1515, doubt that is the case outside Eritrea and northern Ethiopia. Somalis are mostly E-V32 and not a whole of E-V1515 , especially E-V6 , E-V1785 and E-V42. Anyway, this results are from an awfully few samples , and thus any claim is to be consumed with a grain of salt. Too bad many Eritreans who underwent dna test want to remain anonymous ...even those with dna matches .
    There's many Saudis who pop on E-V1515; I believe it descended from the North similar to E-M123; most of the downstream in East Africa is too recent; for now the subclades appear mostly in Saudi Arabia; check the results below:
    https://www.yfull.com/arch-4.03/tree/E-V1515/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Missouri1455 View Post
    There's many Saudis who pop on E-V1515; I believe it descended from the North similar to E-M123; most of the downstream in East Africa is too recent; for now the subclades appear mostly in Saudi Arabia; check the results below:
    https://www.yfull.com/arch-4.03/tree/E-V1515/
    There are a bajillion Saudis (and other oil-rich Arabians) on YFull and very few East Africans, so it is a really bad source for such comparisons.

    The study Ethiohelix was referring to is Trombetta et al (2015), "Phylogeographic Refinement and Large Scale Genotyping of Human Y Chromosome Haplogroup E Provide New Insights into the Dispersal of Early Pastoralists in the African Continent". In this study the Eritrean sample had 37/166 (22%) E-V1515, belonging to all main branches except E-M293. Ethiopia had 35/197 (18%), Djibouti 14/57 (25%), and Somalia 1/5 (mind you these are not representative of overall populations). It's maybe a few percent in Saudi Arabia, but there are 31 Saudi samples on the YF tree and no Horners at all. The only East Africans are 4 E-M293 Kenyans from academic studies. (Neither has any Sudanese samples, unfortunately.)

    Trombetta et al did not test all the SNPs to distinguish the subclades now known, but in Eritrea there are E-Y5919/V2881, E-V42, and E-V6, all the main clades full of Arabians on YF. There is E-GG24/V1785*(xV6), represented by a single Saudi on YF, in 2/20 Kunama and 10/32 Tigrai. On YF three members belong to E-Y29601, sister to E-M293; in Eritrea there is E-CTS1177/V1486*(xY5919, M293) which may or may not be the same thing, in 1/15 Nara and 1/32 Tigrai. Finally, on YF there are a Moroccan Jew, a Saudi, and an unidentified member in E-Y139639, most basal in E-V1515. In Eritrea there is E-V1515*(xCTS1177, V42, GG24) in 1/5 Tigre, 2/15 Nara, and 1/99 Portuguese (!), which again may or may not be the same thing.

    E-V1515 is sister to E-PF1962, the most Asian branch of E-M35. But it doesn't follow that E-Z830 went to Asia and E-V1515 returned to Africa, rather than E-PF1962 having gone to Asia while E-V1515 remained in Africa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megalophias View Post
    There are a bajillion Saudis (and other oil-rich Arabians) on YFull and very few East Africans, so it is a really bad source for such comparisons.

    The study Ethiohelix was referring to is Trombetta et al (2015), "Phylogeographic Refinement and Large Scale Genotyping of Human Y Chromosome Haplogroup E Provide New Insights into the Dispersal of Early Pastoralists in the African Continent". In this study the Eritrean sample had 37/166 (22%) E-V1515, belonging to all main branches except E-M293. Ethiopia had 35/197 (18%), Djibouti 14/57 (25%), and Somalia 1/5 (mind you these are not representative of overall populations). It's maybe a few percent in Saudi Arabia, but there are 31 Saudi samples on the YF tree and no Horners at all. The only East Africans are 4 E-M293 Kenyans from academic studies. (Neither has any Sudanese samples, unfortunately.)

    Trombetta et al did not test all the SNPs to distinguish the subclades now known, but in Eritrea there are E-Y5919/V2881, E-V42, and E-V6, all the main clades full of Arabians on YF. There is E-GG24/V1785*(xV6), represented by a single Saudi on YF, in 2/20 Kunama and 10/32 Tigrai. On YF three members belong to E-Y29601, sister to E-M293; in Eritrea there is E-CTS1177/V1486*(xY5919, M293) which may or may not be the same thing, in 1/15 Nara and 1/32 Tigrai. Finally, on YF there are a Moroccan Jew, a Saudi, and an unidentified member in E-Y139639, most basal in E-V1515. In Eritrea there is E-V1515*(xCTS1177, V42, GG24) in 1/5 Tigre, 2/15 Nara, and 1/99 Portuguese (!), which again may or may not be the same thing.

    E-V1515 is sister to E-PF1962, the most Asian branch of E-M35. But it doesn't follow that E-Z830 went to Asia and E-V1515 returned to Africa, rather than E-PF1962 having gone to Asia while E-V1515 remained in Africa.
    They need to do more testing for sure on Eritrea, Arabia, Levant, Eastern Sudan; but do you know when they'll update the testings with brand new results?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Missouri1455 View Post
    They need to do more testing for sure on Eritrea, Arabia, Levant, Eastern Sudan; but do you know when they'll update the testings with brand new results?
    Whole Y studies are still not that common due to the costs. They periodically update whenever they get new samples from scientific studies. Most samples on yfull are from private individuals from generally richer regions like Westerners and Gulf Arabs are overrepresented.

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