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    Quote Originally Posted by Lollybolly View Post
    That's really odd tho. I am also "Gujarati" (that's what most of my family claims to be at least) to a certain extent, yet we score completely different in almost every calculator.
    Yeah you're an interesting case, which is why I always go "you sure you're Gujju m8?" LOL. I have no clue why your results are like that. But races and ethnicities are constructs anyways so you're whatever you identify as. I welcome you as a Gujju. Do you know your caste or anything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lollybolly View Post
    That's really odd tho. I am also "Gujarati" (that's what most of my family claims to be at least) to a certain extent, yet we score completely different in almost every calculator.
    Within a region there's a lot of diversity. You look extremely sindhi/central asian/iranian shifted based on your picture in the lounge and your genetics reflect that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by midichlorian View Post
    Yeah you're an interesting case, which is why I always go "you sure you're Gujju m8?" LOL. I have no clue why your results are like that. But races and ethnicities are constructs anyways so you're whatever you identify as. I welcome you as a Gujju. Do you know your caste or anything?
    I don't know anything about cast but I can tell you that from my mom's side, I am 1/4 Pakistani, the rest of my family is mostly from Kutch. Given that Kutch has a direct access to sea, there has surely been contact with other people, possibly Caucasians, at least that's a possible theory.

    Other than that, what's really odd is that my grandfathers are a lot dravidian looking, I am sure they have high ASI. Yet, it doesn't seem to have been conveyed to me LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by midichlorian View Post
    Do you know your caste or anything?
    He’s Khoja (I believe) so a Shia counterpart to Sunni Memon. Both Khoja and Memon are supposed to have converted from Hindu Lohana at some point who have their origins in Sindh.

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    On an individual level, phenotype does not correlate with genotype so unless your grandfathers have drastically different ancestry, they shouldn’t be too different from you.
    Last edited by Sapporo; 08-14-2018 at 09:15 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by midichlorian View Post
    According to what others have discerned by running my coordinates and my kit number, I am a Gedrosian shifted/less AASI Gujju. Not sure if that's truly the case or what.
    This is correct. Some of these gedmatch calculators don't accurately discriminate between indian subgroups as well as say nmonte. Very small differences in these calculators seem to be significant.
    I score about 8% less south indian than you and about 6% of the euro/steppe groups and my oracle groups are a lot different than yours, which isn't a huge difference to me, but the closest groups are completely different. Tamil Brahmin, UP Brahmin, and Kshatriya are among the closest groups to me, while my closest oracle is 70% velama and 30% tajik afghan, which also makes about 0 sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapporo View Post
    He’s Khoja so a Shia counterpart to Sunni Memon. Both Khoja and Memon are supposed to have converted from Hindu Lohana at some point who have their origins in Sindh.
    I know a lot of Khoja people and they are so diverse looking it strikes me! How the same ethnic group of people can be so different (some look like South Indians while other look like NW Indians and Pashtuns). Just shows how diverse South Asia is even within the same ethnic groups

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lollybolly View Post
    I don't know anything about cast but I can tell you that from my mom's side, I am 1/4 Pakistani, the rest of my family is mostly from Kutch. Given that Kutch has a direct access to sea, there has surely been contact with other people, possibly Caucasians, at least that's a possible theory.

    Other than that, what's really odd is that my grandfathers are a lot dravidian looking, I am sure they have high ASI. Yet, it doesn't seem to have been conveyed to me LOL.
    You might be very interested in the geneplaza K14 with ancient populations. Could give you some clues into what you're looking for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 26284729292 View Post
    You might be very interested in the geneplaza K14 with ancient populations. Could give you some clues into what you're looking for.
    But it's not free the struggle tho

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lollybolly View Post
    I know a lot of Khoja people and they are so diverse looking it strikes me! How the same ethnic group of people can be so different (some look like South Indians while other look like NW Indians and Pashtuns). Just shows how diverse South Asia is even within the same ethnic groups
    Perhaps Khoja are more diverse phenotype wise but even Jatt Sikhs and Punjabi Khatris have notable phenotype diversity. However, they both still form fairly tight genetic clusters in spite of that.
    I4285 I4285 1873-1661 calBCE (3430±25 BP, PSUAMS-2536) BMAC Sappali_Tepe_BA Sappali Tepe Uzbekistan U7a3 L1a
    I5604 I5604 1880-1697 calBCE (3465±20 BP, PSUAMS-2774) BMAC Bustan_BA Bustan Uzbekistan K1a1 L1a
    I6667 I6667 1497-1413 calBCE (3170±20 BP, PSUAMS-2998) Parkhai_LBA_o Parkhai_LBA_o Parkhai II Turkmenistan HV2a
    I6669 I6669 3082-2909 calBCE (4365±25 BP, PSUAMS-2950) Parkhai_EN Parkhai_EN Parkhai II Turkmenistan HV2
    I4899 I4899 1600-1300 BCE BMAC Bustan_BA Bustan Uzbekistan R0 J

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    @Saporro

    I don't know if you can answer me, but what makes Lohana people score less SI and significantly more Caucasus/Baloch than most other South Asian ethnic groups? Is there a reason?
    Last edited by Lollybolly; 08-14-2018 at 09:28 PM.

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