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    Looking for a Possible Caucasian Ancestry - South Asian

    Hi guys! I recently did an Ancestry DNA test and surprisingly, I scored 5% Caucasus (the range is 5-7%). I was quite intrigued by the results, and I am currently trying to find whether I really have roots in Caucasus. In terms of background, I am from NW India/Pakistan

    I decided to put my results in GEDmatch and I also score decent Caucasus (approximately 20% in them). Most oracles also give me 3/4 South Asian population (such as Pakistani, Gujarati, or Pathan) + 1/4 Caucasian population (Lak, Azeri, Iranian, etc.). Here is an example from Gedrosia Ancient K6, which is considered "accurate for South Asians":
    dmix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 37.65
    2 Natufian 33.63
    3 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 16.7
    4 East_Asian 8.48
    5 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 3.33
    6 Sub_Saharan 0.21

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Pathan 4.73
    2 Kalash 5.5
    3 Sindhi 6.53
    4 Pashtun_Afghan 6.78
    5 Punjabi 7.27
    6 GujaratiA 7.84
    7 Kurd_SE 8.08
    8 Burusho 9.3
    9 Balochi 9.75
    10 Brahui 10.42
    11 GujaratiB 10.83
    12 Makrani 11.81
    13 Baloch_Iranian 13.38
    14 GujaratiC 14.2
    15 Tajik 14.2
    16 GujaratiD 16.36
    17 Punjabi_PJL 17.61
    18 Iran_N 17.86
    19 Iranian_Mazandarani 18.08
    20 Iranian_Shirazi 18.11

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 67.6% GujaratiB + 32.4% Azeri @ 1.57
    2 85.5% Punjabi + 14.5% Levant_BA @ 1.9
    3 56.3% Iran_N + 43.7% Bengali @ 2.04
    4 66% GujaratiB + 34% Iranian @ 2.17
    5 84.1% Punjabi + 15.9% Saudi @ 2.18
    6 64.1% GujaratiB + 35.9% Iran_recent @ 2.19
    7 74.1% GujaratiB + 25.9% Jew_iraqi @ 2.2
    8 52.5% GujaratiD + 47.5% Iranian_Mazandarani @ 2.2
    9 84.4% Punjabi + 15.6% Jew_Yemenite @ 2.24
    10 54.8% GujaratiD + 45.2% Iran_ChL @ 2.25
    11 53% Punjabi_PJL + 47% Iran_ChL @ 2.27
    12 73.7% GujaratiB + 26.3% Jew_Iranian @ 2.28
    13 75.8% GujaratiB + 24.2% Druze @ 2.3
    14 73.5% GujaratiB + 26.5% Assyrian @ 2.31
    15 79.7% GujaratiB + 20.3% Levant_BA @ 2.34
    16 58.3% GujaratiD + 41.7% Kurd_F @ 2.39
    17 82.5% Punjabi + 17.5% Lebanese @ 2.41
    18 65.7% GujaratiB + 34.3% Kurd_C @ 2.43
    19 76.5% Punjabi + 23.5% Azeri @ 2.43
    20 64.6% GujaratiB + 35.4% Iran_N_WC1 @ 2.44

    In this one, for example, I get 2/3 Gujarati + 1/3 Caucasus (Azeri in this case).

    So guys, where should be my starting point? Is there some possibility of Caucasian roots? If that's the case, I guess that ancestry from Caucasus would go back around the 1800s.

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    This is just Caucasus Hunter Gatherer ancestry, which all of us have. Some just have more than others.

    My Harappa results:

    # Population Percent
    1 S-Indian 49.8
    2 Baloch 32.77
    3 Caucasian 7.44
    4 NE-Euro 2.7
    5 SE-Asian 1.49
    6 Papuan 1.32
    7 Mediterranean 1.18
    8 American 0.82
    9 NE-Asian 0.73
    10 Beringian 0.69
    11 SW-Asian 0.46
    12 E-African 0.41
    13 Pygmy 0.09
    14 Siberian 0.08

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 ap-hyderabad (harappa) 3.06
    2 kerala-christian (harappa) 3.32
    3 rajasthani (harappa) 4.18
    4 up (harappa) 4.42
    5 singapore-indian-b (sgvp) 4.58
    6 tamil (harappa) 4.86
    7 bihari (harappa) 5.09
    8 caribbean-indian (harappa) 5.27
    9 kerala-muslim (harappa) 5.41
    10 andhra-pradesh (harappa) 5.53
    11 ap-brahmin (xing) 5.58
    12 maharashtrian (harappa) 5.61
    13 tharu (metspalu) 5.75
    14 tn-brahmin (xing) 5.91
    15 iyer-brahmin (harappa) 5.93
    16 up-muslim (metspalu) 5.94
    17 karnataka-brahmin (harappa) 5.99
    18 karnataka (harappa) 6.02
    19 brahmin-tamil-nadu (metspalu) 6.1
    20 iyengar-brahmin (harappa) 6.24

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 91.3% karnataka (harappa) + 8.7% chechen (yunusbayev) @ 1.09
    2 90.6% karnataka (harappa) + 9.4% stalskoe (xing) @ 1.11
    3 91.6% karnataka (harappa) + 8.4% balkar (yunusbayev) @ 1.22
    4 91% karnataka (harappa) + 9% kumyk (yunusbayev) @ 1.23
    5 91.7% karnataka (harappa) + 8.3% adygei (hgdp) @ 1.26
    6 91% karnataka (harappa) + 9% lezgin (behar) @ 1.27
    7 90.9% karnataka (harappa) + 9.1% urkarah (xing) @ 1.28
    8 91.7% karnataka (harappa) + 8.3% north-ossetian (yunusbayev) @ 1.32
    9 85.5% tamil-vellalar (harappa) + 14.5% stalskoe (xing) @ 1.56
    10 85.9% tamil-vellalar (harappa) + 14.1% urkarah (xing) @ 1.71
    11 91.1% karnataka (harappa) + 8.9% turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) @ 1.75
    12 86.1% tamil-vellalar (harappa) + 13.9% lezgin (behar) @ 1.78
    13 62% singapore-indian-a (sgvp) + 38% kashmiri (harappa) @ 1.78
    14 92.5% tharu (metspalu) + 7.5% georgian (harappa) @ 1.8
    15 91% karnataka (harappa) + 9% nogai (yunusbayev) @ 1.82
    16 61.3% piramalai-kallar (metspalu) + 38.7% kashmiri (harappa) @ 1.83
    17 92.3% tharu (metspalu) + 7.7% armenian (yunusbayev) @ 1.84
    18 91.9% andhra-pradesh (harappa) + 8.1% lezgin (behar) @ 1.85
    19 91.3% karnataka (harappa) + 8.7% turk (behar) @ 1.87
    20 90.8% karnataka (harappa) + 9.2% azeri (harappa) @ 1.87

    I am basically South Indian with higher than average Caucasian ancestry, hence what you see here. It is also reflected on ftDNA myOrigins with me getting 4% Anatolian.

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