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    Thank you for this. Seems like it's a bit of a waiting game as more R2b's emerge and the tree develops. Really appreciate the effort here. Look forward to others posting when more information emerges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Awan01 View Post
    Thank you for this. Seems like it's a bit of a waiting game as more R2b's emerge and the tree develops. Really appreciate the effort here. Look forward to others posting when more information emerges.
    On the 30th of September 2018, there was an update to the YFull tree that added a new subclade to R2b (R-Y136220):



    Its nice to see R2b getting some love

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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronbee2010 View Post
    On the 30th of September 2018, there was an update to the YFull tree that added a new subclade to R2b (R-Y136220):



    Its nice to see R2b getting some love
    The R2b (id YF15361) in the YFull tree is me.
    TMRCA with man from Iraq is now 3900 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laltota View Post
    The R2b (id YF15361) in the YFull tree is me.
    TMRCA with man from Iraq is now 3900 years.
    I'm guessing that most if not all of the folks who were previously M479+ but M124- are likely under the R2b branch. It's definitely the much smaller branch, but its distribution is not too different from R2a, which makes me think that R2 in general is a much younger lineage than R1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomasso29 View Post
    I'm guessing that most if not all of the folks who were previously M479+ but M124- are likely under the R2b branch. It's definitely the much smaller branch, but its distribution is not too different from R2a, which makes me think that R2 in general is a much younger lineage than R1.
    "As to whether R2b, we can compare the STRs with confirmed R2b."
    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post514512

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    Good to meet you! @laltota We'd be distantly related then
    Can you elaborate on your comment: 'TMRCA with man from Iraq is now 3900 years'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Awan01 View Post
    Good to meet you! @laltota We'd be distantly related then
    Can you elaborate on your comment: 'TMRCA with man from Iraq is now 3900 years'?

    See post #22. On right side it shows AFTER tree extract for R2 from YFull, and says TMRCA 3400 ybp. This was immediately after I uploaded my raw data to YFull when they inserted R-Y136220 as a new branch under R-FGC50278.

    When they completed the analysis after a few weeks, they changed it to TMRCA (time to most recent common ancestor) 3900 ybp between myself and the person from Iraq.


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    So I have had my YSEQ test back for SK2163 and they have posted the following result:

    SK2163 G-

    Assume this means I am negative for SK2163? If so I was not expecting that at all!

    Comments?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Awan01 View Post
    So I have had my YSEQ test back for SK2163 and they have posted the following result:

    SK2163 G-

    Assume this means I am negative for SK2163? If so I was not expecting that at all!

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    I was really not expecting this to be honest! That test result indeed says you're negative for the SK2163 mutation that is thought to come under R2b. R2b's tree is woefully small at the moment, so I suspect that given this (with hardly any confirmed SNPs at the moment), we get interesting cases like yours. R2a was in a very similar situation until 2016. At the very least, 23andMe have confirmed you M479+ and I believe that they're correct.

    To give some specific SNP's as examples, P267 was thought to be equivalent to M124 when it turned out P267 was directly below M124. This could be the case with SK2163 being below other SNPs under R2b instead of being equivalent.

    It will most likely be the case that as the R2b tree grows, more SNPs will be discovered between M479 and SK2163. L295 was thought to be directly below M124 before, but now we know its actually 6 subclades below now. In the future, they most likely will discover SNPs that are below M479 and above SK2163, which I believe you will be located.

    The only way to grow the R2b tree would be for more M479+, M124- people to get a full sequence on their Y-DNA and upload their .BAM files to YFull and add themselves to their tree to grow it. The FTDNA R2 project's administrator can also contact ISOGG to see if he can get the newly discovered SNPs from each sample onto their tree afterwards. R2a made incredible progress from 2015 to 2016, and I believe R2b will follow soon!

    A fundraiser may be required for you. I would see what other users on this forum have to say, as well as contacting the FTDNA R2 project's admin (Abdulaziz Ali) first though. I've messaged him before and he's been very helpful. I'm sure he will be interested to hear your case. His email is on the project here: https://www.familytreedna.com/groups.../activity-feed

    Really nice to see surprises like this. Nice results!

    EDIT: Your current Y-DNA assignment for now is R2* (M479+, M124-, SK2163-).

    EDIT (again): It would be interesting if, in the future you come somewhere under R2c
    Last edited by aaronbee2010; 01-09-2019 at 02:49 AM.
    Y-DNA (ISOGG 2019): R2a2b1b2a1a1-Y1383*

    YFull Line (From R-M207):

    M207+ ---> M479+ ---> M124+ ---> P267+ ---> Y12100+ ---> Y8763+ ---> Y8766+ ---> V3714+ ---> SK2142+ ---> Y1377+ ---> Y1379+ ---> Z29271+ ---> Y1383+ -X-> Y154917-

    Important Y-DNA negatives (within R2a-M124): L295-, Y5080-, L1069-, F1092-, L288-, L263-

    Extra mtDNA rCRS mutations: 207A, (315.1C), (523-), (524-), 2404C, 6150A, 8898T, 9755A, 15433T

    FTDNA Kit: IN41220

    GEDmatch Kit (MyHeritage): KC4074281

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    Thank you Aaronbee for the prompt and detailed response. It’s thrown me off completely and as you said it opens things up to a multitude of possibilities. I’m not sure how I’d feel about a full test, something to think about of course. Exciting to consider no one like me has been seen before at least on this forum. Have you ever seen anyone else sk2163-?

    Speculating for a moment would these results put my lineage in an older or younger branch?

    If anyone else has had similar results or has any interesting theories to share then I’d be pleased to hear them!

    Down the rabbit hole we go.

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