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    6th c. Slavic women (Av1, Av2) buried according to the custom of the Avars

    Av2 - Gedmatch Genesis FP8983383

    Eurogenes K36
    Basque 1.61 Pct
    Central_Euro 11.52 Pct
    East_Balkan 8.13 Pct
    East_Central_Euro 28.94 Pct
    Eastern_Euro 17.25 Pct
    Fennoscandian 10.40 Pct
    French 6.29 Pct
    North_Atlantic 7.09 Pct
    North_Sea 8.78 Pct

    96725 SNPs used in this evaluation

    Quote Originally Posted by lukaszM View Post
    Code:
        PL_Masovia      Ukraine_Sumy      Belarus_East        RU_Bryansk   Belarus_Polesye      Belarus_West 
            0.6255579         0.7876348         0.8294040         0.8588754         0.9155834         0.9165658 
    Ukraine_Chernigov Ukraine_Cherkassy 
            0.9274012         0.9338340
    PL_Masovia,68.4
    Ukraine_Sumy,16.4
    Lithuanians,7.6
    Greater_Poland_Wielkopolska,2.8
    RU_Bryansk,2.4
    Ukraine_Cherkassy,1.6
    Belarus_East,0.6
    Pl_Lublin,0.2
    Map showing the location of the Szolad cemetery on the southern shore of Lake Balaton












    If this woman was buried in ca. 592-595 (obtained from the averaged dates), she may have been born in the first half of the 6th century!

    Source: Understanding 6th-Century Barbarian Social Organization and Migration through Paleogenomics
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    Av1 - Gedmatch Genesis PE7910098 (this woman was buried in ca. 580-589, so again may have been born in the first half of the 6th century AD!).

    Clearly, no Asian admixture in both 6th c. "Avar" samples from Szolad, Hungary! These women look basically the same as modern-day Poles!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waldemar View Post
    I have uploaded wrong .csv file! This post will be updated tomorrow... initial analysis shows the closest similarity to modern samples from Silesia, Lesser Poland and Western Ukraine
    But you tell it considering BAK results of AV1? Or PCA from paper?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lukaszM View Post
    But you tell it considering BAK results of AV1? Or PCA from paper?
    BAK results
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waldemar View Post
    BAK results Even closer to modern populations than Av2 (IIRC, shows 94 on K36 similarity map)!
    So post her results!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waldemar View Post
    Av1 - Gedmatch Genesis tomorrow (this woman was buried in ca. 580-589, so again may have been born in the first half of the 6th century AD!).

    Clearly, no Asian admixture in both 6th c. "Avar" samples from Szolad, Hungary! These women look basically the same as modern-day Poles!


    I have uploaded wrong .csv file! This post will be updated tomorrow... initial analysis shows the closest similarity to modern samples from Silesia, Lesser Poland and Western Ukraine
    But Avars arrived just about 565 to central Europe. How those two Slavic women (Avar "wifes") could be mixed with them.

    But I'm sure such admix will be find in Slavic burials in Hungary, just one century later.
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    I first read this article several years ago:https://www.jstor.org/stable/4202861...n_tab_contents.
    It places the Avars in Europe around 558. A more cogent point might be that the Avars, like many Asiatic tribes, probably spent time on the Ukrainian Steppes before this. There may have been contact with the Slavs there, or perhaps some sort of advanced guard entered Central Europe prior to the mid 6th century and is simply not recorded in history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waldemar View Post
    Av1 - Gedmatch Genesis PE7910098 (this woman was buried in ca. 580-589, so again may have been born in the first half of the 6th century AD!).

    Clearly, no Asian admixture in both 6th c. "Avar" samples from Szolad, Hungary! These women look basically the same as modern-day Poles!
    Av1 - Gedmatch Genesis PE7910098

    Eurogenes K36
    Basque 2.36 Pct
    Central_Euro 13.16 Pct
    East_Balkan 4.62 Pct
    East_Central_Euro 20.48 Pct
    Eastern_Euro 14.95 Pct
    Fennoscandian 8.32 Pct
    French 8.61 Pct
    Italian 7.54 Pct
    North_Atlantic 11.10 Pct
    North_Sea 8.51 Pct
    West_Med 0.36 Pct

    99833 SNPs used in this evaluation

    Av2 - Gedmatch Genesis FP8983383

    Eurogenes K36
    Basque 1.61 Pct
    Central_Euro 11.52 Pct
    East_Balkan 8.13 Pct
    East_Central_Euro 28.94 Pct
    Eastern_Euro 17.25 Pct
    Fennoscandian 10.40 Pct
    French 6.29 Pct
    North_Atlantic 7.09 Pct
    North_Sea 8.78 Pct

    96725 SNPs used in this evaluation
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    Quote Originally Posted by lukaszM View Post
    But Avars arrived just about 565 to central Europe. How those two Slavic women (Avar "wifes") could be mixed with them.
    I agree. We have the earliest undoubtedly Slavic (proto-Slavic?) good quality genomes! Who would expect that Poles are the "purest" Slavs, while Dutch "purest" Germanics?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waldemar View Post
    Clearly, no Asian admixture in both 6th c. "Avar" samples from Szolad, Hungary! These women look basically the same as modern-day Poles![/b]
    Two randomly selected samples of Avar women in Hungary were tested. Both of them were genetically Slavic with no Asian admixture.
    What is the probability now that majority or all of Pannonian Avar women were genetically Slavic with no Asian admixture?
    Who were the Pannonian Avars/Abars then?

    According to Ptolemy some Avars lived around Vistula river in 2nd century AD:

    screenshot_420.png

    http://www.poselska.nazwa.pl/wieczor...acy-malopolske

    It is particularly interesting because Avars/Abars were often linked with Abaris the Hyperborean.
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