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    it is not a chance .....
    i score 13% balto-slavic in dna tribes
    and 13.9% east slavic in k29...
    it is not like i am proud of it i wish i had iberian admixture instead much more sexy
    but hey thats life .....

    p.s
    and afcorse a full pole or a full ukranian will share larger segments than i am for sure

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjohn View Post
    it is not a chance .....
    i score 13% balto-slavic in dna tribes
    and 13.9% east slavic in k29...
    it is not like i am proud of it i wish i had iberian admixture instead much more sexy
    but hey thats life .....

    p.s
    and afcorse a full pole or a full ukranian will share larger segments than i am for sure
    You are mistaking IBD analysis with admixture component (Balto-Slavic) that could be called anything . For example, East European component, as Erzya and Estonians (Finno-Ugric) have larger this admixture component than yours. Read the article on IBD I referenced above. In short , autosomal DNA is randomly reshuffled with each generation and shared segment of length 3.7cM with person living 1,400 years ago can occur by chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volat View Post
    You are mistaking IBD analysis with admixture component (Balto-Slavic) that could be called anything . For example, East European component, as Erzya and Estonians (Finno-Ugric) have larger this admixture component than yours. Read the article on IBD I referenced above. In short , autosomal DNA is randomly reshuffled with each generation and shared segment of length 3.7cM with person living 1,400 years ago can occur by chance.

    in dna tribes you are correct it could be anything
    but i told you i a score also 13.9% east slavic in k29 in geneplazza{ kurd used belarussians and ukranians }
    i already told you that it is ibs in this case and not ibd
    it is still shared allele what is so hard to understand
    you can ask kurd he can explain to you .....

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    The site of Nova tabla near Murska Sobota revealed the remains of an early medieval settlement. These remains included the sunken features SZ 6 and SO 149A, charcoal samples from which have yielded 14C dates that indicate the site was already inhabited in the first half of the 6th century. The associated pottery is comparable with the so-called Prague type pottery unearthed in Croatia, Slovakia, the Czech Republic, Germany and Ukraine. In Slovakia and Germany, sunken features and graves with such pottery have also been dated with the help of 14C analyses, while the sites in Ukraine are dated on the basis of typochronological analyses of the metal artefacts and finds of Byzantine coins. Such early settlement of the western fringes of the Pannonian Plain on the part of Prague culture groups, most likely corresponding to the Early Slavs, is supported by the spatial distribution of the Late Antique and Langobard settlements in the 6th century, by the results of linguistic analyses and by the first written records mentioning the presence of Slavs in Pannonia.



    https://www.academia.edu/34242396/Be...egion_Slovenia

    Radiocarbon dating of Szolad burials...
    AV1 - buried in ca. 580-589
    AV2 - buried in ca. 592-595

    Pannonian Slavs in the 6th c. AD (red X's)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waldemar View Post
    The site of Nova tabla near Murska Sobota revealed the remains of an early medieval settlement. These remains included the sunken features SZ 6 and SO 149A, charcoal samples from which have yielded 14C dates that indicate the site was already inhabited in the first half of the 6th century. The associated pottery is comparable with the so-called Prague type pottery unearthed in Croatia, Slovakia, the Czech Republic, Germany and Ukraine. In Slovakia and Germany, sunken features and graves with such pottery have also been dated with the help of 14C analyses, while the sites in Ukraine are dated on the basis of typochronological analyses of the metal artefacts and finds of Byzantine coins. Such early settlement of the western fringes of the Pannonian Plain on the part of Prague culture groups, most likely corresponding to the Early Slavs, is supported by the spatial distribution of the Late Antique and Langobard settlements in the 6th century, by the results of linguistic analyses and by the first written records mentioning the presence of Slavs in Pannonia.


    https://www.academia.edu/34242396/Be...egion_Slovenia

    Florin Curta puts all these into question:
    http://www.academia.edu/37509765/The...abla_Slovenia_

    His interpretation is that findings "have brought to light a very interesting aspect of life on the periphery of the polity established by the Avars in the Carpathian Basin during the last quarter of the 6th and the last decades of the 7th century."
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ph2ter View Post
    Florin Curta puts all these into question
    I wonder how he would interpret genetically Slavic-like population buried in the second half of the 6th century in Szolad - https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post500131

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waldemar View Post
    I wonder how he would interpret genetically Slavic-like population buried in the second half of the 6th century in Szolad - https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post500131
    He would agree with that, because his stance is that Slavs came into Panonnian plain after Langobards left for Italy - in the second part of 6th century.
     
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    There is BV2665403 (Estonian_Pole1) [FTDNA] id on genesis gedmatch listed on same id as Av1 & Av2


    When I matched using FTDNA kit I was getting much more big match then Av1 Av2

    Minimum segment threshold size to be included in total = 100 SNPs
    Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 1.0 cM
    Largest segment = 5.4 cM

    Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 426.0 cM (11.888 Pct)


    230 shared segments found for this comparison.

    284999 SNPs used for this comparison.

    51.520 Pct SNPs are full identical

    looks like other Estonian poles under Behar data set show similar matches
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    Two other houses surprisingly seem to be even earlier: 2017/93: 418-540, 2011/17-19: 428-591. This means that the first Slavic settlement here in Miercurea Ciuc could have been founded already in the middle of the 5th century or latest around the middle or the second half of the 6th century. The first (understandable) reaction is doubt: are the C14 results acceptable? Should we really rethink such a important historical process just because of some analysis? Fortunately we have some control measurements too. Beside the Slavic material we also sent samples from Sântana de Mureș–Cerniahov pits and all achieved dates were between AD: 240-390. Therefore the author’s trust regarding the C14 results is strong.

    https://www.academia.edu/38257146/FI...rn_Carpathians

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    The elite group originating mainly from the Danube-Tisza Interfluve does not exhibit a genetic connection to the previously investigated small Avar period population from southeast Hungary, because the latter shows predominantly Eastern European maternal genetic composition. This result is comparable with the archaeological records, i.e. this Avar population buried the deceased in catacomb graves, following Eastern European traditions. One sample in our dataset (HC9) comes from this population, and both his mtDNA (T1a1b) and Y chromosome (R1a) support Eastern European connections. The observed within-Avar genetic differences correlate well with the cultural and anthropological differences of this group and demonstrate the heterogeneity of the Avar population.
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