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    Gedrosia K12 results

    I know several of you guys said that Harappa is outdated. So I'm looking for a good alternative. I've heard that Gedrosia K12 is good for South Asians. Here are my results. Do you guys think it's accurate? I feel like the Pathan/Sindhi distance is overstated in this calculator. Plus, the SW Asian component seems way more inflated.

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 S_INDIAN 33.09
    2 BALOCHI 26.78
    3 CAUCASUS 21.43
    4 SINTASHTA_STEPPE_HERDERS 9.7
    5 SW_ASIAN 4.66
    6 INDO_TIBETAN 1.54
    7 W_SIBERIAN 1.32
    8 E_SIBERIAN 1.27
    9 EARLY_EUROPEAN_FARMERS 0.2

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Pathan 7.37
    2 Nepali 11.85
    3 Sindhi 11.95
    4 GujaratiA 13.93
    5 Kurds_SE 15.04
    6 Punjabi_Sikh 16.02
    7 Pashtun_Afghan 17.46
    8 GujaratiB 21.2
    9 Tajik_Afghan 22.15
    10 Uzbek_Afghan 23.35
    11 UP_Brahmin 23.52
    12 Tajik_Pomiri 23.82
    13 GujaratiC 28.83
    14 Kurds_C 32.98
    15 Turkmen_Afghan 33.12
    16 Iranian 33.42
    17 Kurds_F 33.76
    18 Meghawal 34.36
    19 Kurds_E 34.76
    20 Kurds_N 35.19

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 73.3% Pashtun_Afghan + 26.7% Piramalai @ 3.63
    2 74.8% Nepali + 25.2% Iranian @ 3.89
    3 69.7% Pashtun_Afghan + 30.3% Velamas @ 3.98
    4 71.9% Pashtun_Afghan + 28.1% Kurumba @ 3.99
    5 67.8% Pashtun_Afghan + 32.2% GujaratiD @ 4.12
    6 66.8% Pashtun_Afghan + 33.2% Meghawal @ 4.16
    7 67.8% Pashtun_Afghan + 32.2% UP_Muslim @ 4.26
    8 76.3% Pashtun_Afghan + 23.7% Hakkipikki @ 4.29
    9 62.7% Pashtun_Afghan + 37.3% GujaratiC @ 4.29
    10 71.9% Pashtun_Afghan + 28.1% UP_Caste @ 4.38
    11 71.5% GujaratiA + 28.5% Iranian @ 4.45
    12 74.5% Pashtun_Afghan + 25.5% UP_Chamar @ 4.46
    13 68.8% Pashtun_Afghan + 31.2% UP_Kol @ 4.51
    14 69.6% Pashtun_Afghan + 30.4% Kanjar @ 4.68
    15 68.1% Pashtun_Afghan + 31.9% Tharu @ 4.69
    16 76% Nepali + 24% Kurds_E @ 4.73
    17 74.6% Pashtun_Afghan + 25.4% AP_Chenchu @ 4.82
    18 89.9% Pathan + 10.1% AP_Chenchu @ 4.88
    19 86.8% Pathan + 13.2% UP_Muslim @ 4.99
    20 90.9% Pathan + 9.1% Nihali @ 5.04

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    Here is Gedrosia K12 for my ethnic group.


    I have data on so many South/Central Asian ethnic groups and forum users(including your as well). Raw posting here is hard to compare. I need to get started on bringing the Gedmatch data to the web tool so that we can compare easily and across a large number of samples.

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    # Population Percent
    1 S_INDIAN 49.55
    2 BALOCHI 21.71
    3 CAUCASUS 9.6
    4 SINTASHTA_STEPPE_HERDERS 6.3
    5 SE_ASIAN 4.68
    6 SW_ASIAN 2.9
    7 INDO_TIBETAN 2.64
    8 W_SIBERIAN 2.09
    9 E_SIBERIAN 0.53

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 GujaratiB 8.14
    2 Nepali 9.9
    3 UP_Brahmin 11.08
    4 GujaratiA 12.27
    5 GujaratiC 12.41
    6 Meghawal 17.49
    7 Tharu 18.77
    8 Sindhi 18.85
    9 GujaratiD 19.01
    10 UP_Muslim 19.14
    11 UP_Kol 19.97
    12 Kanjar 21.79
    13 Velamas 21.88
    14 Pathan 24
    15 Gond 24.25
    16 Punjabi_Sikh 24.43
    17 UP_Caste 26.02
    18 Kurumba 26.23
    19 Piramalai 29.27
    20 AP_Chenchu 31.89

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 56.6% Piramalai + 43.4% Uzbek_Afghan @ 3.64
    2 63.9% Sindhi + 36.1% Bhunjia @ 3.83
    3 59.3% Kurumba + 40.7% Uzbek_Afghan @ 3.87
    4 67% GujaratiD + 33% Uzbek_Afghan @ 3.91
    5 63.7% Velamas + 36.3% Uzbek_Afghan @ 3.93
    6 78.3% Nepali + 21.7% Bhunjia @ 4.07
    7 57% Gond + 43% Kurds_SE @ 4.12
    8 79.9% Nepali + 20.1% Nihali @ 4.31
    9 76.5% GujaratiC + 23.5% Uzbek_Afghan @ 4.48
    10 91.8% GujaratiB + 8.2% Naga @ 4.53
    11 60% Pathan + 40% Nihali @ 4.58
    12 91.7% GujaratiB + 8.3% Mongola @ 4.59
    13 76.7% Nepali + 23.3% Piramalai @ 4.6
    14 67.5% Tharu + 32.5% Uzbek_Afghan @ 4.62
    15 78.3% Nepali + 21.7% AP_Chenchu @ 4.64
    16 73.1% Nepali + 26.9% Gond @ 4.66
    17 69.2% Meghawal + 30.8% Uzbek_Afghan @ 4.75
    18 80.8% Nepali + 19.2% Hakkipikki @ 4.77
    19 50.3% Pathan + 49.7% Gond @ 4.83
    20 79.6% GujaratiC + 20.4% Turkmen_Afghan @ 4.83

    This is crazy because if I look at the Nepal Brahmin samples above, aside from about 9% from SI, and around 6-7% more steppe and a little less east siberian, a lot of the components line up almost perfectly (siberian, SE asian, balochi, indo tibetan, caucasus, indo tibetan). Although, I do have nearly 5% southwest asian, which I'm assuming is either legit and really weird, or overflow from another category.

    This kind of points to a common origin for Brahmins, as the SI/Steppe % can be explained from my ancestors mixing with locals while in the Bahuns case, this played out slightly differenlty genetically. However, I think I definitely have SOME kind of east asian ancestry in the vein of Nepalis/Nepali Brahmins, which I've always suspected and the similarity in these components seems to confirm.

    Please ignore these oracles though. LOL.

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    # Population Percent
    1 S_INDIAN 57.8
    2 BALOCHI 21.78
    3 CAUCASUS 8.19
    4 SINTASHTA_STEPPE_HERDERS 3.89
    5 INDO_TIBETAN 3.67
    6 E_SIBERIAN 1.58
    7 SE_ASIAN 1.29
    8 SW_ASIAN 0.82
    9 E_AFRICAN 0.7
    10 SUB_SAHARAN 0.17
    11 W_SIBERIAN 0.1

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 GujaratiC 5.63
    2 GujaratiB 8.91
    3 Meghawal 9.91
    4 GujaratiD 11.45
    5 UP_Brahmin 11.72
    6 Tharu 12.33
    7 UP_Muslim 12.68
    8 UP_Kol 13.33
    9 Velamas 14.11
    10 Kanjar 15.3
    11 Nepali 16.47
    12 GujaratiA 17.3
    13 Gond 18.49
    14 Kurumba 18.67
    15 UP_Caste 19.14
    16 Piramalai 22
    17 Sindhi 23.91
    18 UP_Chamar 25.38
    19 AP_Chenchu 25.52
    20 Bhunjia 29.17

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 83.2% UP_Muslim + 16.8% Balochi @ 2.13
    2 84.9% UP_Muslim + 15.1% Brahui @ 2.17
    3 83.6% UP_Muslim + 16.4% Makrani @ 2.38
    4 51.6% Sindhi + 48.4% AP_Chenchu @ 2.43
    5 55.7% Sindhi + 44.3% Hakkipikki @ 2.62
    6 83% UP_Kol + 17% Makrani @ 2.75
    7 55.7% UP_Caste + 44.3% Sindhi @ 2.9
    8 82.7% UP_Kol + 17.3% Balochi @ 2.92
    9 51.5% Sindhi + 48.5% UP_Chamar @ 2.98
    10 64.7% UP_Kol + 35.3% Sindhi @ 3.07
    11 55.7% Sindhi + 44.3% Nihali @ 3.2
    12 54% Velamas + 46% Nepali @ 3.35
    13 84.5% UP_Kol + 15.5% Brahui @ 3.44
    14 56.6% Gond + 43.4% Sindhi @ 3.48
    15 84.4% Tharu + 15.6% Makrani @ 3.55
    16 54.1% AP_Chenchu + 45.9% Punjabi_Sikh @ 3.7
    17 84.1% Tharu + 15.9% Balochi @ 3.7
    18 81.1% Kanjar + 18.9% Makrani @ 3.78
    19 64% Piramalai + 36% Kurds_SE @ 3.79
    20 53.3% Nepali + 46.7% Kurumba @ 3.81

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    FYI, “The Bronze age Sintashta Steppe Herder signal in this calculator reflects genetic Eurasian steppe admixture in excess of what is included in the Caucasus or Balochi signals.”

    Not sure what the source is for SW Asian but a lot of us seem to be scoring similar amounts, so I think it may be Iran_N or Middle Eastern farmer related?

    # Population Percent
    1 S_INDIAN 54.91
    2 BALOCHI 18.94
    3 CAUCASUS 7.37
    4 SW_ASIAN 4.86
    5 SINTASHTA_STEPPE_HERDERS 3.11
    6 E_AFRICAN 3.08
    7 SE_ASIAN 2.74
    8 W_SIBERIAN 2.32
    9 INDO_TIBETAN 2.26
    10 E_SIBERIAN 0.41

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 GujaratiC 9.58
    2 GujaratiB 10.82
    3 UP_Brahmin 12.62
    4 Meghawal 12.81
    5 GujaratiD 14.25
    6 Tharu 14.26
    7 UP_Muslim 14.4
    8 UP_Kol 15.17
    9 Nepali 16.43
    10 Velamas 16.59
    11 Kanjar 17.08
    12 GujaratiA 17.96
    13 Gond 19.51
    14 UP_Caste 20.67
    15 Kurumba 20.69
    16 Piramalai 23.42
    17 Sindhi 24.41
    18 AP_Chenchu 26.37
    19 UP_Chamar 26.81
    20 Bhunjia 28.89

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 65.7% Piramalai + 34.3% Uzbek_Afghan @ 4.55
    2 76.1% Velamas + 23.9% Turkmen_Afghan @ 5.21
    3 89.2% GujaratiC + 10.8% Yemen @ 5.35
    4 55.1% Hakkipikki + 44.9% Kurds_SE @ 5.37
    5 62.2% Piramalai + 37.8% Kurds_SE @ 5.46
    6 68.7% Kurumba + 31.3% Uzbek_Afghan @ 5.49
    7 91.4% GujaratiC + 8.6% Ethiopian_Jew @ 5.57
    8 73.8% Velamas + 26.2% Uzbek_Afghan @ 5.74
    9 90.2% GujaratiC + 9.8% BedouinA @ 5.79
    10 85.2% Meghawal + 14.8% Yemen @ 5.87
    11 76.3% Velamas + 23.7% Uzbek @ 5.94
    12 65% Piramalai + 35% Tajik_Afghan @ 5.98
    13 92% GujaratiC + 8% Yemenite_Jew @ 6
    14 73.1% Velamas + 26.9% Tajik_Afghan @ 6.06
    15 79.5% GujaratiD + 20.5% Turkmen_Afghan @ 6.08
    16 92% GujaratiC + 8% Saudi @ 6.08
    17 82.9% UP_Muslim + 17.1% Makrani @ 6.19
    18 55.9% Sindhi + 44.1% Nihali @ 6.2
    19 81.7% Meghawal + 18.3% Turkmen_Afghan @ 6.2
    20 89.5% GujaratiC + 10.5% Jordanian @ 6.24
    Last edited by misanthropy; 08-23-2018 at 08:22 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misanthropy View Post
    FYI, “The Bronze age Sintashta Steppe Herder signal in this calculator reflects genetic Eurasian steppe admixture in excess of what is included in the Caucasus or Balochi signals.”

    Not sure what the source is for SW Asian but a lot of us seem to be scoring similar amounts, so I think it may be Iran_N or Middle Eastern farmer related?

    # Population Percent
    1 S_INDIAN 54.91
    2 BALOCHI 18.94
    3 CAUCASUS 7.37
    4 SW_ASIAN 4.86
    5 SINTASHTA_STEPPE_HERDERS 3.11
    6 E_AFRICAN 3.08
    7 SE_ASIAN 2.74
    8 W_SIBERIAN 2.32
    9 INDO_TIBETAN 2.26
    10 E_SIBERIAN 0.41

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 GujaratiC 9.58
    2 GujaratiB 10.82
    3 UP_Brahmin 12.62
    4 Meghawal 12.81
    5 GujaratiD 14.25
    6 Tharu 14.26
    7 UP_Muslim 14.4
    8 UP_Kol 15.17
    9 Nepali 16.43
    10 Velamas 16.59
    11 Kanjar 17.08
    12 GujaratiA 17.96
    13 Gond 19.51
    14 UP_Caste 20.67
    15 Kurumba 20.69
    16 Piramalai 23.42
    17 Sindhi 24.41
    18 AP_Chenchu 26.37
    19 UP_Chamar 26.81
    20 Bhunjia 28.89

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 65.7% Piramalai + 34.3% Uzbek_Afghan @ 4.55
    2 76.1% Velamas + 23.9% Turkmen_Afghan @ 5.21
    3 89.2% GujaratiC + 10.8% Yemen @ 5.35
    4 55.1% Hakkipikki + 44.9% Kurds_SE @ 5.37
    5 62.2% Piramalai + 37.8% Kurds_SE @ 5.46
    6 68.7% Kurumba + 31.3% Uzbek_Afghan @ 5.49
    7 91.4% GujaratiC + 8.6% Ethiopian_Jew @ 5.57
    8 73.8% Velamas + 26.2% Uzbek_Afghan @ 5.74
    9 90.2% GujaratiC + 9.8% BedouinA @ 5.79
    10 85.2% Meghawal + 14.8% Yemen @ 5.87
    11 76.3% Velamas + 23.7% Uzbek @ 5.94
    12 65% Piramalai + 35% Tajik_Afghan @ 5.98
    13 92% GujaratiC + 8% Yemenite_Jew @ 6
    14 73.1% Velamas + 26.9% Tajik_Afghan @ 6.06
    15 79.5% GujaratiD + 20.5% Turkmen_Afghan @ 6.08
    16 92% GujaratiC + 8% Saudi @ 6.08
    17 82.9% UP_Muslim + 17.1% Makrani @ 6.19
    18 55.9% Sindhi + 44.1% Nihali @ 6.2
    19 81.7% Meghawal + 18.3% Turkmen_Afghan @ 6.2
    20 89.5% GujaratiC + 10.5% Jordanian @ 6.24
    I think your SW Asian is legit ancestry whereas mine is mostly overflow from Caucasus despite the fact that we score the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lollybolly View Post
    I think your SW Asian is legit ancestry whereas mine is mostly overflow from Caucasus despite the fact that we score the same.
    When I look up SW asian, I see gulf arab, and some levant/armenia. Those are all really different groups. I'm assuming youre saying that because he's deccani and has directish arab roots his SW makes sense, but for other Indians 4-5% is caucasus overflow?

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    # Population Percent
    1 S_INDIAN 34.13
    2 BALOCHI 26.44
    3 CAUCASUS 18.02
    4 SINTASHTA_STEPPE_HERDERS 10.81
    5 EARLY_EUROPEAN_FARMERS 3.88
    6 SW_ASIAN 3.15
    7 SE_ASIAN 1.56
    8 INDO_TIBETAN 1.31
    9 E_AFRICAN 0.6
    10 SUB_SAHARAN 0.08
    11 E_SIBERIAN 0.04

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Pathan 8.58
    2 Nepali 9.88
    3 Sindhi 11.07
    4 GujaratiA 11.34
    5 Punjabi_Sikh 14.71
    6 Kurds_SE 16.47
    7 GujaratiB 19.02
    8 Pashtun_Afghan 19.39
    9 UP_Brahmin 21.32
    10 Tajik_Afghan 23.15
    11 Uzbek_Afghan 23.87
    12 Tajik_Pomiri 24.47
    13 GujaratiC 27.1
    14 Meghawal 32.7
    15 Turkmen_Afghan 33.72

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    Quote Originally Posted by agent_lime View Post
    # Population Percent
    1 S_INDIAN 34.13
    2 BALOCHI 26.44
    3 CAUCASUS 18.02
    4 SINTASHTA_STEPPE_HERDERS 10.81
    5 EARLY_EUROPEAN_FARMERS 3.88
    6 SW_ASIAN 3.15
    7 SE_ASIAN 1.56
    8 INDO_TIBETAN 1.31
    9 E_AFRICAN 0.6
    10 SUB_SAHARAN 0.08
    11 E_SIBERIAN 0.04

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Pathan 8.58
    2 Nepali 9.88
    3 Sindhi 11.07
    4 GujaratiA 11.34
    5 Punjabi_Sikh 14.71
    6 Kurds_SE 16.47
    7 GujaratiB 19.02
    8 Pashtun_Afghan 19.39
    9 UP_Brahmin 21.32
    10 Tajik_Afghan 23.15
    11 Uzbek_Afghan 23.87
    12 Tajik_Pomiri 24.47
    13 GujaratiC 27.1
    14 Meghawal 32.7
    15 Turkmen_Afghan 33.72
    It's funny to see that you are closer genetically to Sindhis than me even though the origins of Lohana people are in Sindh. Other than that, we score quite similar, except that I score more Caucasus/SW Asia/Siberian and less EEF than you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 26284729292 View Post
    When I look up SW asian, I see gulf arab, and some levant/armenia. Those are all really different groups. I'm assuming youre saying that because he's deccani and has directish arab roots his SW makes sense, but for other Indians 4-5% is caucasus overflow?
    I mean, it must be. Misanthropy clearly has SW Asian ancestry and I don't, yet we score the same percentages in this calculator. My guess would be that my 5% SW Asia is overflow from Caucasus (the calculator classified some genes from Caucasus in this category) whereas his is "typical" SW Asia. If they used Armenia in this SW Asia sample like you said, then it may explain why I score 5% given that Armenia is in Caucasus.

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