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    Chinese L1029

    I noticed on YFull there is a sample located in Beijing, China.

    I'm not sure if it has been discussed somewhere else... but do we know how it got there?

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    YF10484 was only recently analyzed; his changes to the haplotree will only appear in the next release. He shares 5 SNPs with the Polish YF06604:
    FGC66325
    FGC66342
    FGC66326
    FGC66331
    FGC66336
    Presumably, the next version of the haplotree will place the two men in a new subclade called R-FGC66325.

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    Members of Y-DNA haplogroups R1b, G1a, and G2a also have appeared in samples of mainstream Chinese people in Beijing:

    NA18645 (CHB ) R1b-CTS347
    (TMRCA with another member of R-CTS347, YF09877 from the Chechen Republic, and several members of R-BY3295 is estimated to be 4,500 ybp. Both R-CTS347 and R-BY3295 are branches of R-CTS8966, which is one of the less common extant branches of R1b1a1a2a2c-Z2106. R1b1a1a2a2c-Z2106 is perhaps the most prolific subclade of R1b1a1a2a2-Z2103, known for its presence in remains of individuals associated with the archeological Yamnaya culture.)

    NA18549 (CHB ) G2a2b2a1a1c1-Z724*(xZ1903)
    (This basal branch of G-Z724 is not currently represented on YFull by anyone besides NA18549 of the CHB sample. Its TMRCA with G-Z1903 is estimated to be 8,500 ybp. G-Z1903 appears to be a mainly European clade at present, with an estimated TMRCA of 4,400 ybp. However, the G-Z6028 branch of G-Z1903 contains an individual in Lebanon, a Mende in Sierra Leone, and one other individual of unreported origin with an estimated TMRCA of 3,000 ybp on YFull.)

    YCH32 (Han from Beijing) G1a-F1761/F2376/F4297

    This member of R1b and this member of G2a belong to rare subclades. The closest patrilineal relative on YFull of the Beijing Han who belongs to R1b-CTS347 has reported an origin in Chechnya.

    In contrast, YF10484 from Beijing belongs to R1a-L1029, which, as far as I can tell, is a typical subclade of R1a that has a shallow TMRCA (only 2,000 ybp according to YFull YTree v5.05).

    YCH32, who belongs to G1a-F1761/F2376/F4297, is from the sample set of Yan S, Wang C-C, Zheng H-X, Wang W, Qin Z-D, et al. (2014), "Y Chromosomes of 40% Chinese Descend from Three Neolithic Super-Grandfathers," so details of his relationship with other members of haplogroup G1a are unclear to me at present.
    Last edited by Ebizur; 09-14-2017 at 02:50 PM.

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    How does one know that the L1029 sample from Beijing belongs to someone ethnically Chinese? Is it not possible that he could be a foreigner living in Beijing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kostoffj View Post
    How does one know that the L1029 sample from Beijing belongs to someone ethnically Chinese? Is it not possible that he could be a foreigner living in Beijing?
    I was wondering this myself... if the kit owner is ethnically Chinese with no recent ancestry from Europe then I wonder how it would have got there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brent.B View Post
    I noticed on YFull there is a sample located in Beijing, China.

    I'm not sure if it has been discussed somewhere else... but do we know how it got there?
    Hi, the person is ethnic Hui and native to Beijing, China. He has no known recent ancestry to Europe
    Last edited by lifezard; 09-15-2017 at 01:55 AM. Reason: adding details

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    Quote Originally Posted by lifezard View Post
    Hi, the person is ethnic Hui and native to Beijing, China. He has no known recent ancestry to Europe
    Thank you for sharing! This sounds like an interesting kit.

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    Thank you for sharing! This sounds like an interesting kit.
    you are welcome, he expected to be more related to the more Asian Z283 before the test came out, so it was a little bit of a surprise too. Anyone knows if there is any way to contact this YF06604 sample by the way?

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    Hi there. I am the owner of YF10484.

    My family didn't document that where my ancestor came to China and how. As far as I can see, it is quite possible related to Mongol invasion of Poland where some 10,000 Poles were taken with the invaders as slaves (wikipedia: Second_Mongol_invasion_of_Poland). And some of them may migrate to China with Mongol army.

    My ancestors seems come to China in the Yuan Dynasty(1271 AD -1368 AD), though I cannot 100% exclude the possibility of earlier migration through Silk Road. The reason of this is that my ancestors was Semu(wikipedia: Semu), a caste established by the Yuan dynasty, and later became Hui in Ming Dynasty. Of the many ethnic groups classified as "Semu" during the Yuan, only the Muslim Hui managed to survive into the Ming period as a large collective identity with self-awareness of common identity spanning across the whole China. Other Semu ethnic groups were forced to assimilate into the Han Chinese or Muslim Huis (such as some Christian and Jewish Semu, though thoroughly Islamized).

    According to (wikipedia: Europeans_in_Medieval_China), there seems many possible ways how my ancestors came to China. I would like to emphasize 2 facts.

    1. According to (wikipedia:Jesuit_China_missions). By the 16th century, there is no reliable information about any practicing Christians remaining in China. As I pointed out above, it was very likely all Abrahamic religions were thoroughly Islamized and forced to assimilate into Muslim Hui in Ming Dynasty (1368 AD - 1644 AD)

    2. For his travels from 1253 to 1255, the Franciscan monk William of Rubruck reported numerous Europeans in Central Asia. He described German prisoners who had been enslaved and forced to mine gold and manufacture iron weapons in the Mongol town of Bolat, near Talas, Kyrgyzstan.In Karakorum, the Mongol capital, he met a Parisian named Guillaume de Buchier, and P‚quette, a woman from the French city of Metz, who had both been captured in Hungary during the Mongol invasions of Europe. He also mentions Hungarians and Russians, and it is also known that 30,000 Alans, a group of Sarmatian tribes, formed the Asud guard of the Mongol court in Beijing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lifezard View Post
    you are welcome, he expected to be more related to the more Asian Z283 before the test came out, so it was a little bit of a surprise too. Anyone knows if there is any way to contact this YF06604 sample by the way?
    I am one of the admins for the R1a project at FTDNA where YF06604 is a project member, but I cannot reveal his email address to you without his permission. However, you can send me a PM with your email address, so I will ask him to contact you.

    As for white2k/YF10484, he can contact sample YF06604 through his SNP matches page in YFull.

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