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    ^ Korfanty is a rare surname, so I guess that all of them have a common male ancestor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    ^ Korfanty is a rare surname, so I guess that all of them have a common male ancestor.
    Korfanty males are said to be descended from one male ancestor.

    It was a Konstanty Hektor Corfanti, who was born in Venetia in merchant family - he was a colonel in a Croat light cavalry unit.
    At some point, during 30 Years' War, Corfanti was badly injured and he decided to stay in Silesia. Konstanty bought some land, married Amanda von Jurowski and fortunately for him, he was able to extend his lineage.

    If it's true, L664 may be a haplogroup of one of the leaders of Silesian Uprising, Wojciech Korfanty: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wojciech_Korfanty . However, we need at least second result from another Korfanty line, as distant as possible, to exclude possible NPE (with a German person, for example).

    This kit is in R1a Project, joined on my request with the priceless help of lgmayka. He seems to belong to the very young clade of YP282: https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-YP282/. I wouldn't have expected such result from descendant of Italian person but we have some interesting, singleton L664 results from non-North-Seaish countries (Hungarian, Latvian, Iberian(?)/Italian(?), even a supposed member of Lemko minority from Poland). So it's unlikely but certainly not impossible. With more and more testees some exceptions are going to pop-up from time to time.

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    Thank you Artmar! Here is also some information about them:

    https://www.myheritage.pl/names/amanda_corfanti

    Konstanty Hektor Corfanti - born on 8 December 1619 in Veneto region, Italy
    Amanda Weronika Corfanti (de domo von Jurowski, CoA Łzawa) - born in 1623

    They married in 1641. Corfanti settled in Siemianowice (German: Siemianowitz):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siemianowice_Śląskie

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post

    There are the following samples from CWC:

    RISE446 (2829-2465 BC) - R1a1a1a L664

    And three probable L664s (from 2600 BC):

    EUL9(99-3), EUL11(99-2), EUL12(99-4)
    What branch are they below L664?

    YSEQ: Y-DNA R1-R1a-M459-M198-M417-CTS4385-L664-S2894-S2880 "All known downstream branches have been confirmed negative."

    AncestryDNA V2 23andMe
    Cephalic Index: 70.64
    Bigonial breadth: 105 mm
    Facial Index: 95.79

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    This study on the remains found within a Battle Axe Culture grave, released yesterday, indicate the male remains were R1a and showed a correlation to the Corded Ware Culture.
    https://royalsocietypublishing.org/d...rspb.2019.1528
    Last edited by leonardo; 10-10-2019 at 05:03 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leonardo View Post
    This study on the remains found within a Battle Axe Culture grave, released yesterday, indicate the male remains were R1a and showed a correlation to the Corded ware Culture.
    https://royalsocietypublishing.org/d...rspb.2019.1528
    The Polish CWC R1a-M417 sample was an autosomal copy of Yamnaya interestingly. More so than CWC_Baltic_Early.

    Most R1a clades found untill yet in CWC are either very rare today or restricted to West Europe. It seems that most European R1a today (Balto-Slavic clades) comes from places a bit east of Poland and south of the Baltics. Probably Belarus or North Ukraine. Later in the Bronze Age Balto-Slavic clades are found in the Baltics but most of them seem to be deep Baltic clades and some lineages like R1a-M458 were not found in ancient dna yet. I guess most clades ancestral to Slavic R1a and West European L51 will be found in more eastern CWC subcultures not sampled yet.
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    Thanks for the info, still waiting on more ancient samples to link my clade back to where it’s been since Cordedware.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leonardo View Post
    This study on the remains found within a Battle Axe Culture grave, released yesterday, indicate the male remains were R1a and showed a correlation to the Corded Ware Culture.
    https://royalsocietypublishing.org/d...rspb.2019.1528
    Cross posting my comment from the Ancient (aDNA) forum:

    ber1 looks to be R-Y2395* (xZ284, YP694, YP3896). Single derived reads for Z662 (R-Z283 level) and Z282, 3 for Y2395, no reads at Z289. Negative for all SNPs from the three known downstream branches.

    poz81 looks like R-CTS4385* (xY2894/L664, FGC9988). Single derived reads for CTS4385, S2846, and S2848, all of which are at the R-CTS4385 level. Negative for all defining SNPs for the two downstream branches.

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