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    I have been working on Mayflower lines as of late. I decided to look at how many Mayflower lines I have been able to document in my own ancestry and was a bit surprised to find that to date I have documented 13 lines of descent via 13 different Mayflower passengers (Lucky I'm not superstitious )

    I have three lines of descent from William Brewster (which includes his wife Mary) and Henry Samson

    I have two lines of descent from Stephen Hopkins (both from daughter Constance), two lines from John Howland (which includes his wife, Elizabeth Tilley and her parents John & Joan)

    Finally I have one line of descent from Thomas Rogers (and his son Joseph), Francis Cooke and Degory Priest.

    I have (to date) only joined the General Society of Mayflower Descendants (GSMD) under one of my Brewster lines, and have also joined the Pilgrim John Howland Society. However, I am reasonably confident all of the above lines are adequately documented so that I could join the GSMD.

    Can anyone beat those numbers (either in number of lines, or number of passengers)?
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    I'm just Warren (Richard>Sarah) and Cooke (Francis>John>Mary), as far as I know. But you've reminded me I need to complete my paperwork...
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    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    I personally can only claim Stephen Hopkins and Stephen's son Giles (by his first marriage). My half-sister, on the other hand claims not only Stephen Hopkins paternally but maternally as well for she comes from Stephen and his second wife, the Mayflower passenger Elizabeth Fisher Hopkins. My half-sister can also claim William & Mary Brewster, their son Love Brewster, Francis Cooke, Richard Warren, John Alden, his wife Priscilla Mullins and her parents William & Alice Mullins. But that's only twelve.

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    I don't have any Mayflower passengers in my tree, as far as I know. But my wife and daughter have William & Mary Brewster (via Love); William and Susannah White (via Peregrine, who technically only made the voyage in utero); and Edward Doty.

    I can well believe figures like "35 million descendants" of Mayflower passengers. There's also an estimate of only 20 million, but that's still "a bunch".

    EDIT:

    Most descendants won't have any DNA from any of these ancestors, but in this large of a group it's likely that some will. The problem will be with how many happen to share an overlapping segment with another descendant. (And being sure that there isn't any other shared ancestry that could account for such a segment.)

    And, of course, there may well be some men in Y-DNA line, and both men and women in an mtDNA line.

    2nd EDIT:

    Maybe it's been posted elsewhere, but according to this source (https://www.themayflowersociety.org/...ftdna-and-gsmd), "So far, all but three direct male lines have been identified."
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    My dad is the end of our particular line for Elizabeth Walker Warren's H1j mtDNA. We do show some matching folks on the Cooke/Warren line(s) in Family Finder.

    But like you say, there are millions. I've seen one estimate that Warren alone has ~14 million descendants.

    Edit: I think the reason we only have the one line is that John Cooke got kicked out of the community, so his children didn't marry back into the Plymouth group:

    At some point during the late 1640s, John Cooke "fell into the error of Anabaptistry," and was cast out of the Plymouth Church. The Church record states: "This John Cooke although a shallow man became a cause of trouble and dissension in our Church and gave just occasion of their casting him out; so that Solomon's words proved true in him that one sinner destroyeth much good."

    John Cooke removed from Plymouth and took up residence in Dartmouth, where he died in 1695. His wife Sarah [Warren] was still alive in 1696, called "a very ancient woman"; her exact death date was not recorded but it was probably not long after.
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    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    I got Brewster and Warren, so no. But just curious, how are there some Mayflower descendants who have like 10 passengers on their list? Did their parents use a "Mayflower descendant" dating service to meet or something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandomUsernameGuy View Post
    I got Brewster and Warren, so no. But just curious, how are there some Mayflower descendants who have like 10 passengers on their list? Did their parents use a "Mayflower descendant" dating service to meet or something?
    Actually, my Mayflower lines are not closely related. I have Mayflower ancestry from seven of my eight great-grandparents. My family is almost 100% descended from colonial Massachusetts (including Maine) and New Hampshire, so they had a lot of opportunity to marry into Mayflower lines.

    I do have a Mayflower passenger marrying a fellow Mayflower Passenger (Howland-Tilley), but I don't have a child of a Mayflower passengers marrying a child of Mayflower passenger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandomUsernameGuy View Post
    I got Brewster and Warren, so no. But just curious, how are there some Mayflower descendants who have like 10 passengers on their list? Did their parents use a "Mayflower descendant" dating service to meet or something?
    I think it was pretty common for descendants to marry each other early on -- there weren't that many people in the area and early generations had lots of children.

    I've always thought it odd that I don't seem to have any on my paternal grandmother's line since that line has many who came in the 1630s, but I went back and looked and realized it makes sense as my early settlers (several in Salem) seem to have largely turned Quaker and gone to Nantucket (one family partially stayed in Salem, but their religion was constantly an issue). The Gorhams are descendants (Desire Howland married John Gorham, and she is a daughter and granddaughter of Mayflower passengers, apparently), and they intermarried with lots of early Nantucket Quaker families, but not any of my ancestors.

    I have New England early colonial on other lines, but don't have them proven back far enough to know.
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