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Thread: How genetically similar are Modern Greeks to the ancient ones?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjohn View Post
    probably
    but dont you think there north caucasian and west caucasian high
    i have some gedmatch kits of calabrians and sicilians they don't score that high......
    What about the kits I've published? They are outliers for sure, but still the difference in West Caucasian between these outliers and those ancient kits is not that big.
    On North Caucasian we agree. This is why I think CL25 might be Anatolian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajeje Brazorf View Post
    I found them on The Apricity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vettor View Post
    Sorry for the late reply. No, that was not the one. I used to have it on my laptop, but unfortunetly it died a couple of months ago and I lost it as I had no backup
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajeje Brazorf View Post
    What is the kit? I couldn't find it.
    You know what, I was going to give it to you but when I remembered you accuse me regularly of being a fraud AND you never ask for the kit when the person is abnormally northern-shifited... I decided not to do it.

    But I will tell you they have an Italian first name and a Sicilian last name specifically from Castelbuono, Palermo province, and a Calabrian mother.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    You know what, I was going to give it to you but when I remembered you accuse me regularly of being a fraud AND you never ask for the kit when the person is abnormally northern-shifited... I decided not to do it.
    Absolutely bullshit. If you remember I asked you for all Sicilian and Calabrian kits you had regardless of their results AND "abnormally northern-shifted" south Italians do not exist. I think you're referring to that thread on TA where you posted a Calabrian who got 1/4 Yemenite_Jewish or 1/4 Saudi in the Oracle-4, well you know, I rightly doubted he was Calabrian. Instead you insisted that he was completely local, with the excuse that he had an Italian surname and that was born in Italy.

    However if you don't want to give me the kit, nevermind. But I just ask you, don't bring that story into this thread, thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajeje Brazorf View Post
    Absolutely bullshit. If you remember I asked you for all Sicilian and Calabrian kits you had regardless of their results AND "abnormally northern-shifted" south Italians do not exist. I think you're referring to that thread on TA where you posted a Calabrian who got 1/4 Yemenite_Jewish or 1/4 Saudi in the Oracle-4, well you know, I rightly doubted he was Calabrian. Instead you insisted that he was completely local, with the excuse that he had an Italian surname and that was born in Italy.

    However if you don't want to give me the kit, nevermind. But I just ask you, don't bring that story into this thread, thanks.
    That person is related to me and I know their origins.

    I can send it when I get on my computer if you promise to be nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajeje Brazorf View Post
    Absolutely bullshit. If you remember I asked you for all Sicilian and Calabrian kits you had regardless of their results AND "abnormally northern-shifted" south Italians do not exist. I think you're referring to that thread on TA where you posted a Calabrian who got 1/4 Yemenite_Jewish or 1/4 Saudi in the Oracle-4, well you know, I rightly doubted he was Calabrian. Instead you insisted that he was completely local, with the excuse that he had an Italian surname and that was born in Italy.

    However if you don't want to give me the kit, nevermind. But I just ask you, don't bring that story into this thread, thanks.
    I've sent you about 15 Calabrese kits and those were more Representative of the Calabrese average some were more outlying towards the Western Jewish cluster other were more standard South Italian like. The Median come out something like 60-70% Abruzzo like and 30-40% Cypriot like

    Gedmatch result from Reggio Calabria which seems fairly typical

    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasian 35.58
    2 European_Early_Farmers 26.69
    3 Near_East 11.66
    4 European_Hunters_Gatherers 7.88
    5 North_African 7.61
    6 South_Central_Asian 7.33
    7 South_East_Asian 1.01
    8 Archaic_African 0.69
    9 Melano_Polynesian 0.54
    10 Ancestral_Altaic 0.52
    11 Australoid 0.49

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Sicilian_Agrigento ( ) 2.73
    2 Sicilian_Trapani ( ) 3.16
    3 Sicilian_West ( ) 3.78
    4 Maltese ( ) 4.52
    5 French_Jew ( ) 5.22
    6 Sicilian_Siracusa ( ) 5.43
    7 Sephardic_Jew ( ) 6.23
    8 Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) 6.45
    9 Sicilian_East ( ) 6.64
    10 Italian_Abruzzo ( ) 6.67
    11 Italian_Jew ( ) 7.31
    12 Turk_Jew ( ) 7.53
    13 Greek_Northwest ( ) 7.88
    14 Moroccan_Jew ( ) 8.17
    15 Kosovar ( ) 8.95
    16 Ashkenazi ( ) 9.14
    17 Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) 9.2
    18 Greek_Thessaly ( ) 9.73
    19 Italian_Tuscan ( ) 10.1
    20 Albanian_Tirana ( ) 10.32

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 62.8% Sephardic_Jew ( ) + 37.2% Italian_Tuscan ( ) @ 2.18
    2 94.1% French_Jew ( ) + 5.9% Basque_French ( ) @ 2.22
    3 61.1% Cypriot ( ) + 38.9% Portugese ( ) @ 2.24
    4 93.1% French_Jew ( ) + 6.9% Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS ( ) @ 2.24
    5 94% French_Jew ( ) + 6% Basque_Spanish ( ) @ 2.24
    6 91.3% French_Jew ( ) + 8.7% French_South ( ) @ 2.27
    7 65.4% Cypriot ( ) + 34.6% Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS ( ) @ 2.28
    8 82.2% Sicilian_Agrigento ( ) + 17.8% Italian_Abruzzo ( ) @ 2.38
    9 68.4% Sephardic_Jew ( ) + 31.6% Italian_Piedmont ( ) @ 2.42
    10 97.7% Sicilian_Agrigento ( ) + 2.3% Sardinian ( ) @ 2.44
    11 90.6% French_Jew ( ) + 9.4% Spanish_Cantabria_IBS ( ) @ 2.44
    12 90.2% French_Jew ( ) + 9.8% Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS ( ) @ 2.45
    13 90.6% French_Jew ( ) + 9.4% Spanish_Aragon_IBS ( ) @ 2.46
    14 89.5% Sicilian_Agrigento ( ) + 10.5% Italian_Tuscan ( ) @ 2.48
    15 89.4% French_Jew ( ) + 10.6% Spanish_Andalucia_IBS ( ) @ 2.48
    16 88.8% French_Jew ( ) + 11.2% Spanish_Cataluna_IBS ( ) @ 2.48
    17 89.8% French_Jew ( ) + 10.2% Spanish_Valencia_IBS ( ) @ 2.5
    18 77% Sephardic_Jew ( ) + 23% Italian_Bergamo ( ) @ 2.5
    19 98.6% Sicilian_Agrigento ( ) + 1.4% Basque_French ( ) @ 2.51
    20 98.6% Sicilian_Agrigento ( ) + 1.4% Basque_Spanish ( ) @ 2.51

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    Kit Number: Z710290 (144,254 SNPs)
    Name: SZ1
    1 Bulgarian @ 7.056118
    1 Hungarian_Budapest + Italian_Tuscan + Sicilian_Center + Tatar-Lithuanian @ 3.165586


    Kit Number: Z206864 (141,022 SNPs)
    Name: SZ2
    1 Swede_Saami @ 5.016747
    1 Irish + Irish + Lithuanian + Swede_Saami @ 2.069724


    Kit Number: Z151393 (144,387 SNPs)
    Name: SZ3
    1 German-Volga @ 5.759760
    1 English_Kent_GBR + French + Frisian + Romanian @ 2.896801


    Kit Number: Z298465 (144,323 SNPs)
    Name: SZ4
    1 Norwegian_East @ 2.850477
    1 Icelandic + Kashub + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Welsh @ 1.751419


    Kit Number: Z878724 (6,535 SNPs)
    Name: SZ6
    1 Montenegrian @ 7.069643
    1 French_South + Iraqi_Jew + Kashub + Pole @ 3.289279


    Kit Number: Z855720 (140,771 SNPs)
    Name: SZ5
    1 German-Volga @ 4.005778
    1 Icelandic + Icelandic + Maltese + Swede @ 1.673600


    Kit Number: Z117741 (94,510 SNPs)
    Name: SZ7
    1 North_German @ 5.064991
    1 Frisian + Irish + Moksha + Slovenian @ 2.549737


    Kit Number: Z560831 (23,774 SNPs)
    Name: SZ8
    1 Dutch @ 7.236287
    1 Basque_French + Kuban_cossack + Lithuanian + Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan @ 5.783740


    Kit Number: Z891841 (103,519 SNPs)
    Name: SZ9
    1 Icelandic @ 3.325612
    1 Basque_French + Latvian + Russian_Center + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 2.479438


    Kit Number: Z589316 (144,121 SNPs)
    Name: SZ11
    1 Irish @ 3.262401
    1 Frisian + Irish + North_German + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 1.573416


    Kit Number: Z862010 (64,600 SNPs)
    Name: SZ12
    1 Austrian @ 3.794653
    1 Croat + Frisian + Frisian + Kashub @ 1.542849


    Kit Number: Z236800 (103,610 SNPs)
    Name: SZ13
    1 Dutch @ 3.986703
    1 Irish + Irish + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Swede_Saami @ 2.550477


    Kit Number: Z200736 (43,914 SNPs)
    Name: SZ14
    1 Irish @ 4.603542
    1 Azov_Greek + Basque_French + Icelandic + Latvian @ 3.754672


    Kit Number: Z253968 (144,267 SNPs)
    Name: SZ15
    1 Dutch @ 4.185629
    1 Icelandic + Macedonian + Norwegian_West + Norwegian_West @ 2.757054


    Kit Number: Z054110 (81,309 SNPs)
    Name: SZ16
    1 Swede_Saami @ 4.861366
    1 Belgian + Frisian + Moksha + Swede_Saami @ 2.455374


    Kit Number: Z019700 (90,500 SNPs)
    Name: SZ18
    1 German-Volga @ 7.772106
    1 Assyrian_Iraqi + Irish + Latvian + Portugese @ 1.117310


    Kit Number: Z886825 (1,322 SNPs)
    Name: SZ20
    1 Icelandic @ 6.759129
    1 Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian + Tatar_Mishar @ 4.864956


    Kit Number: Z947904 (96,401 SNPs)
    Name: SZ19
    1 Italian_Abruzzo @ 7.377185
    1 Greek_Macedonia + Sardinian + Sicilian_Center + Sicilian_Center @ 3.155044


    Kit Number: Z569816 (87,701 SNPs)
    Name: SZ22
    1 Dutch @ 5.217050
    1 Basque_Spanish + Estonian + Latvian + Stalskoe_Kumyk @ 3.678942


    Kit Number: Z530540 (90,192 SNPs)
    Name: SZ23
    1 German-Volga @ 3.971430
    1 Greek_Smyrna + Norwegian_East + Norwegian_West + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 1.248870


    Kit Number: Z306476 (55,527 SNPs)
    Name: SZ24
    1 South_German @ 3.000075
    1 Bosnian + Irish + Kashub + Spanish_Valencia_IBS @ 2.063246


    Kit Number: Z201314 (29,806 SNPs)
    Name: SZ25
    1 German_East @ 12.342562
    1 Kumyk + Orcadian + Swede + Tatar_Kryashen @ 5.584211


    Kit Number: Z732151 (95,631 SNPs)
    Name: SZ27
    1 Italian_North @ 5.959258
    1 Frisian + German_East + Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.216417


    Kit Number: Z888816 (96,924 SNPs)
    Name: SZ28
    1 Italian_Piedmont @ 6.745403
    1 Croat_BH + Kosovar + Kosovar + Sardinian @ 2.744360


    Kit Number: Z298008 (56,392 SNPs)
    Name: SZ30
    1 CEU @ 4.990139
    1 Basque_French + Finnish-East + German_East + Swede_Saami @ 2.854803


    Kit Number: Z250394 (14,673 SNPs)
    Name: SZ31
    1 Greek_Macedonia @ 5.351642
    1 Druze + Gagauz + Gagauz + Greek_Thessaly @ 4.796592


    Kit Number: Z261020 (98,828 SNPs)
    Name: SZ32
    1 Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.228703
    1 Greek_Macedonia + Greek_Phokaia + Greek_Smyrna + Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS @ 2.410945


    Kit Number: Z629675 (855 SNPs)
    Name: SZ35
    1 German_East @ 37.495682
    1 BedouinB + Finn + Icelandic + Mozabite @ 18.362967


    Kit Number: Z961044 (139,104 SNPs)
    Name: SZ36
    1 Greek_Peloponnesos @ 6.068368
    1 Christian_Arabs_Israel + Italian_South + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 1.551272


    Kit Number: Z450920 (46,652 SNPs)
    Name: SZ37
    1 Greek_Northwest @ 4.626865
    1 Iraqi_Jew + Pole + Romanian + Sardinian @ 2.734642


    Kit Number: Z453129 (92,775 SNPs)
    Name: SZ38
    1 German-Volga @ 4.628473
    1 Finn_West + Maltese + Norwegian_West + Orcadian @ 2.582427


    Kit Number: Z129947 (92,910 SNPs)
    Name: SZ40
    1 Sicilian_Agrigento @ 3.101774
    1 French_Jew + Italian_South + Lebanese_Druze + Spanish_Galicia_IBS @ 1.881770


    Kit Number: Z887416 (4,406 SNPs)
    Name: SZ41
    1 Austrian @ 9.484020
    1 Finn_West + Russian-Upper-Volga + Serb_Serbia + Spanish_Baleares_IBS @ 8.337543


    Kit Number: Z156535 (105,572 SNPs)
    Name: SZ42
    1 German-Volga @ 5.279166
    1 Basque_Spanish + Frisian + Kabardin + Lithuanian @ 2.065954


    Kit Number: Z817510 (144,438 SNPs)
    Name: SZ43
    1 Italian_Tuscan @ 4.030470
    1 Greek_Macedonia + Greek_Macedonia + Sardinian + Serb_Serbia @ 1.924982


    Kit Number: T331118 (144,361 SNPs)
    Name: SZ44
    1 Italian_North @ 6.493385
    1 Assyrian_Arzni + Basque_Spanish + Estonian + South_German @ 1.942307


    Kit Number: T963830 (144,360 SNPs)
    Name: SZ45
    1 Italian_North @ 6.465716
    1 Armenian + Basque_Spanish + Kuban_cossack + North_European @ 1.924803

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    Quote Originally Posted by giorgio View Post
    I've sent you about 15 Calabrese kits and those were more Representative of the Calabrese average some were more outlying towards the Western Jewish cluster other were more standard South Italian like. The Median come out something like 60-70% Abruzzo like and 30-40% Cypriot like
    The Calabrians posted by Sikeliot in a thread were almost all more Middle Eastern shifted than yours. This was one of those "Calabrians" (scores 10.90% Red_Sea on K15, basically as much as the Lebanese):

    8 Sicilian_East_ @ 9.841646
    1 Greek_Athens + Greek_Athens + Italian_South + Yemenite_Jew @ 2.442599
    1 Armenian + Italian_Abruzzo + Sardinian + Saudi @ 3.426486

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajeje Brazorf View Post
    The Calabrians posted by Sikeliot in a thread were almost all more Middle Eastern shifted than yours. This was one of those "Calabrians" (scores 10.90% Red_Sea on K15, basically as much as the Lebanese):

    8 Sicilian_East_ @ 9.841646
    1 Greek_Athens + Greek_Athens + Italian_South + Yemenite_Jew @ 2.442599
    1 Armenian + Italian_Abruzzo + Sardinian + Saudi @ 3.426486
    Sikeliot usually posts the most extreme Southern Italians and say it's the average. I don't say that's not a Calabrian result but certainly not the average. On the contrary he posts the most Northern shifted Mainland Greek samples to show how slavic shifted the Greek samples are. I don't khow what's the point..
    Last edited by giorgio; 09-14-2018 at 03:38 PM.

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