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    Ancestry DNA gives me 2% Baltic States. Since I don't have a paper trail leading back to the Baltic States, I strongly suspect that it comes from Germans who had Balt in their genetic make up. Matches to me who have both German and "Baltic States" in them pop up all the time at Ancestry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baltimore1937 View Post
    Ancestry DNA gives me 2% Baltic States. Since I don't have a paper trail leading back to the Baltic States, I strongly suspect that it comes from Germans who had Balt in their genetic make up. Matches to me who have both German and "Baltic States" in them pop up all the time at Ancestry.
    How many fennoscandian you have in K36?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lukaszM View Post
    How many fennoscandian you have in K36?
    Where do k36's fennoscandian peaks?

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    Iím not really sure analyzing America DNA for Baltic background is justifiable given the varied ancestries of most of us.

    Also, how much of that Baltic settlement occurred after the great plagues depleted the former Teutonic Order areas? The Salzburgers, Dutch, Belgians, Heugenots also populated many of the rural areas in the far eastern regions of that province. Iím assuming many Poles and neighboring Balts also moved in to fill the void at the behest of the Prussian government.

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    [QUOTE=So possibly we will get Old Prussian aDNA, although at that time the area already had other groups as well.[/QUOTE]

    Hi,
    How can we distinguish old Prussian DNA from other DNA?
    Thank you, Mario

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kramkowski View Post
    Hi,
    How can we distinguish old Prussian DNA from other DNA?
    Thank you, Mario
    North-western Lithuanian's DNA can be used as a proxy for Prussians. South-eastern Lithuanians? I will need to have done a full lobotomy reversal before I consider them foreign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kramkowski View Post
    Hi,
    How can we distinguish old Prussian DNA from other DNA?
    Thank you, Mario
    I guess the only way is to get the ancient old Prussian DNA examples, as well as contemporary examples of neighboring peoples (old Polish, old Lithuana, old German e.t.c). Then we will be able to distinguish and estimate old Prussian DNA percentages in modern populations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by artemv View Post
    I guess the only way is to get the ancient old Prussian DNA examples, as well as contemporary examples of neighboring peoples (old Polish, old Lithuana, old German e.t.c). Then we will be able to distinguish and estimate old Prussian DNA percentages in modern populations.
    Yes aDNA samples would be best... from an known time period and burial context. For instance it was assumed that because R1b-U106 is common in German speaking countries... that it have a lot to do with ancient Germanic tribes... and it is turning out that is for the most part true (especially for some sub groups - though some sub groups may have slightly different story or have spread in the Bronze or Iron Age? That is why we need more from established context) from the results we have from Longobard burial sites (Szolad and Collegno), Baiuvarii around Munich (Altenerding, Straubing, and Altheim), and the Alamanni burial site of Niedserstotzingen and some other random sites such as the Chieftain's chamber grave of Poprad, Slovakia. I want to see next some Thuringian, Frankish, Saxon burial sites tested etc to see if the trend continues ;-). In particular I want to see if my sub group of U106 - DF98 - has anything to do with the ancient tribes of the Thuringi and Saxons as we have House of Wettin in our group of DF98 - and their earliest ancestor is supposed to be agnatically related to Margrave Rikdag - who was in turn descended from the early East Saxon magnate families... tribal nobility etc. Maybe it turns up in Saxon or Thuringian remains?
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    Y-DNA: 4th GGF Adam Weaver born 1785 in Pennsylvania - Sergeant in US 17th Infantry, War of 1812: R1b-U106-Z381-Z156-Z305/306/307-Z304-DF98-S1911-S1894/S1900-S4004/FGC14818/FGC14823-FGC14816/FGC14817. I share these SNPs w/ York Gladiator 6drif-3!

    mtDNA: 3rd GGM Bridget Dana b. 1843 Ireland - T2b2b - Ireland, Scandinavia and Hungary - T2b female warrior Grave Bj 581 near Birka, Sweden. Relative of King Bela III of Hungary (his Y-DNA and autosomal kinsman buried near him had mtDNA T2b2b1)!

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    I wonder where my 2% Balt (Ancestry DNA) came from. It must either be mixed with German ancestors or Scandinavian ancestors. Or? I don't have any Slavic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baltimore1937 View Post
    I wonder where my 2% Balt (Ancestry DNA) came from. It must either be mixed with German ancestors or Scandinavian ancestors. Or? I don't have any Slavic.
    1. Don't put too much weight on the accuracy of results from services like Ancestry DNA. They're mostly accurate at the continent level (European, Sub Saharan African, East Asian, etc.) Anything below that is a rough estimate.

    2. 2% is almost at the level of random noise, and could just be shared ancestry with some of your other European components.

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