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    R-L216*

    Amongst the subclades of R-Z2103/Z2105+ we have spoken a little of the R-L216+. Even though the "Morley's tree" is misleading because put this subclade under the R-M269/L150/PF7558/PF7562/PF7563, as if they were suclades of L150+ (the equivocation I denounced many times: this latter isn't a subclades of Z2103/Z2105, for which it is negative, but of R-M269*, in fact it isn't by chance that it is negative for L23 and L49).
    The "ht 35 FTDNA project" invites this Armenian to test Z2103/Z2105, for which it should be positive, otherwise we'd have found the first R-L23*. By its hapotype:

    149197 R1b1a2a1 R-L150 L150+, L216+, L23+, L49+, M269+, L21-, M222-, P310-, P311-, P312-, U106-, U152-
    11 24 14 10 12-16 12 12 12 12 13 28 15 9-10 11 11 25 15 19 28 15-15-16-19 12 11 19-23 15 15 17 17 35-37 13 12 12 9 15-16 8 11 10 8 11 11 12 23-24 15 10 12 12 14 8 13 23 20 14 12 11 13 11 11 12 12

    it seems in fact a R-Z2103/Z2105+ but since so long separated from the other subclades, and also from the Western European true R-Z2103/Z2105* if they will be confirmed.
    It is sufficient the sequence from DYS590 to DYS511 to mark its differentiation:
    8 11 10 8 11 11 as to 8 10 10 8 10 11.

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    Using Thomas Krahn's information, 2 people have been found to be derived out of 2,597 tested for L216.

    Click here to see this.

    Although, I presume now that TK no longer has access to current FamilyTreeDNA data, and therefore these numbers may now be different.

    Clinton P
    FullGenomes ID:....FG1048A
    YFull ID :...............YF01371 & YF02740

    y-DNA
    Hg: R-U106 > Z2265 > BY30097 > FGC3861 > Z8053 > S1855 > S1859 > FGC3883........
    Shorthand: R-FGC3883


    mt-DNA
    Hg: H2a2b
    Extra Mutations: 309.1'C', 315.1'C', A16235'G', T16357'C', C16519'T'.

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    The 149197 haplotype is clustered with the

    184387
    215158 Tavitian
    255343
    255352
    184027 Gorgis L584+ haplotypes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rathna View Post
    It is sufficient the sequence from DYS590 to DYS511 to mark its differentiation:
    8 11 10 8 11 11 as to 8 10 10 8 10 11.
    The sequence from DYS590 to DYS511 of 255343, 255352 and 184027 is 8 10 10 8 11 11

    It's possible that L216 is part of the L584 subclade.

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