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    Ancien I1-M253>Z58

    Hi everybody

    first of all sorry for my english. I want to open this thread for the Z58 and all subclade under this.

    In the first I make the test Geno 2.0 NG and after I transfer my data to FTDNA free and I order Family finder to have the raw data.

    My father line is S6275 (Nord France) and my mother line is J1C2 (center Italy) for FTDNA now.

    Last yesterday I buy to FTDNA some SNP pack (S20289+BY1+A6297) and Y-DNA67

    I must wait about 2 month for the results

    If I will find some subclade under S6275 Iwill buy new !

    Now why I am confirmed by FTDNA S6275 and not S6270 ?

    For you I am doing the good way for the tests ?

    Last thing please I ask the administrator to modify my Gender into setting, I am M not F.

    I send some message to administrator but no result !

    Thanks for the help

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    You are S6270+, S6275 and S6270 are phyloequivalents as per YFull.
    Y-DNA: I-A14097(Scotland),
    Big Y: I-F2642>Y1966>Y3649>A13241>Y3647>A14097 (1,850 YBP)
    mtDNA: pending (Westeremden, Netherlands)
    Other lines:
    R-M222 x2, R-L21 x2, I-M223, R-S1141, R-U198 & R-U106, mtHg J1c3
    Known ancestry
    Paternal: Britain & Ireland, France and Germany
    Maternal: Netherlands

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    Thanks spruithean,

    S6275 = S6270+ (this is just a new classification for FTDNA but not a new subclade) ?

    Now I just wait new results for the new update info

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    Quote Originally Posted by claudefrancis View Post
    Thanks spruithean,

    S6275 = S6270+ (this is just a new classification for FTDNA but not a new subclade) ?

    Now I just wait new results for the new update info

    It's not necessarily a new subclade for FTDNA, but rather they've decided (for some reason or another) to refer to it by S6270 instead of S6275. Have you joined the Haplogroup I1 DNA Project, or the I-Z138 DNA Project?

    A famous example of companies differing on SNP designations for a haplogroup can be seen with haplogroup R-U106, which is sometimes called R-S21.
    Y-DNA: I-A14097(Scotland),
    Big Y: I-F2642>Y1966>Y3649>A13241>Y3647>A14097 (1,850 YBP)
    mtDNA: pending (Westeremden, Netherlands)
    Other lines:
    R-M222 x2, R-L21 x2, I-M223, R-S1141, R-U198 & R-U106, mtHg J1c3
    Known ancestry
    Paternal: Britain & Ireland, France and Germany
    Maternal: Netherlands

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    Quote Originally Posted by claudefrancis View Post
    Hi everybody

    first of all sorry for my english. I want to open this thread for the Z58 and all subclade under this.

    In the first I make the test Geno 2.0 NG and after I transfer my data to FTDNA free and I order Family finder to have the raw data.

    My father line is S6275 (Nord France) and my mother line is J1C2 (center Italy) for FTDNA now.

    Last yesterday I buy to FTDNA some SNP pack (S20289+BY1+A6297) and Y-DNA67

    I must wait about 2 month for the results

    If I will find some subclade under S6275 Iwill buy new !

    Now why I am confirmed by FTDNA S6275 and not S6270 ?

    For you I am doing the good way for the tests ?

    Last thing please I ask the administrator to modify my Gender into setting, I am M not F.

    I send some message to administrator but no result !

    Thanks for the help
    It sounds like you've got a good plan and it's great to see a French I1 person testing despite the obstacles. spruithean's YFull link makes interesting viewing. I like the four A6397 samples: Russia, Germany, Scotland and Italy. Possibly a textbook example of some of the Germanic movements!
    Last edited by JonikW; 09-11-2018 at 07:20 PM.
    Living DNA Cautious mode:
    South Wales Border-related ancestry: 86.8%
    Cornwall: 8%
    Cumbria-related ancestry: 5.2%
    Y line: Peak District, England. Big Y match: Scania, Sweden; TMRCA 1,280 ybp (YFull);
    mtDNA: traces to Glamorgan, Wales, 18th century. Mother's Y line (Wales): R-L21 L371

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    Hi JonikW,

    At the moment S6275 for a french I don't know if is normal, but I know that my parternal family was in department Nord of France (documents) .
    about 1600. Department of Nord was part of France in 1678. This area was sometime under influence of Germans, Flandres, spanish,
    invasion Franks, Vikings and Hungarian. A lot of work. I am new of this research. This is not easy but interesting. After that I need
    to analize my mother line. In center of Italy (Abruzzo - Chieti/Ortona) invasion of Vikings. Not easy but with patience I will try to understand.
    I am enter into project I1 DNA and project I-Z138 DNA
    Last edited by claudefrancis; 09-12-2018 at 06:05 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by claudefrancis View Post
    Hi JonikW,

    At the moment S6275 for a french I don't know if is normal, but I know that my parternal family was in department Nord of France (documents) .
    about 1600. Department of Nord was part of France in 1678. This area was sometime under influence of Germans, Flandres, spanish,
    invasion Franks, Vikings and Hungarian. A lot of work. I am new of this research. This is not easy but interesting. After that I need
    to analize my mother line. In center of Italy (Abruzzo - Chieti/Ortona) invasion of Vikings. Not easy but with patience I will try to understand.
    I am enter into project I1 DNA and project I-Z138 DNA
    Good luck. I hope you will post your results here. I know Nord well because i enjoy a drive there sometimes on a Saturday with my family. The English are another foreign group that have passed through in a military capacity. I've been to pretty Cassel a few times, which according to one theory is the hill that the Grand Old Duke of York marched up in the 18th century in the English nursery rhyme. In any case, British forces were in the area then as well as in World War I. They're not as likely as some of your other ancestral candidates of course. A lot of people must have passed through over the millennia, as is stressed by the fact that driving around near Cassel you can really see that you're on Roman roads (my Dad taught me that trick as a kid: long straight narrow roads in the English countryside are often Roman in origin and easy to spot).

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_road_(Nord)
    Living DNA Cautious mode:
    South Wales Border-related ancestry: 86.8%
    Cornwall: 8%
    Cumbria-related ancestry: 5.2%
    Y line: Peak District, England. Big Y match: Scania, Sweden; TMRCA 1,280 ybp (YFull);
    mtDNA: traces to Glamorgan, Wales, 18th century. Mother's Y line (Wales): R-L21 L371

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    Hi

    my family, in department Nord (59) in France I find direct parternal line around 1600, in St Vaast La haut (Valenciennes), Saint Souplet and Molain (02 Aisne).
    Sure I will put here all what I will find, for the help of other persone.

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    Hi everybody,

    today I receive of FTDNA a news of my request SNP, I am confirmed now A6397, the same day I order SNP S6402 just to know if I can be confirmed for this one.
    I order 3 weeks ago Y-DNA67,I am waiting the result. Someone can help me about this new SNP A6397 !

    Thanks for your help !
    Last edited by claudefrancis; 09-28-2018 at 09:25 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by claudefrancis View Post
    Hi everybody,

    today I receive of FTDNA a news of my request SNP, I am confirmed now A6397, the same day I order SNP S6402 just to know if I can be confirmed for this one.
    I order 3 weeks ago Y-DNA67,I am waiting the result. Someone can help me about this new SNP A6397 !

    Thanks for your help !
    I'm sure an expert will jump in to help out. In the meantime, I think you've done the right thing to test S6402 because you should be positive unless you're on an unknown line. From YFull I see that A6397 has a TMRCA of 3,000 ybp, so at the point where the Bronze Age was about to become the Iron Age in some cultures (it happened later in Scandinavia for example). That's given it plenty of time to spread around, as you can see from the country flags on YFull.

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-A6397/
    Living DNA Cautious mode:
    South Wales Border-related ancestry: 86.8%
    Cornwall: 8%
    Cumbria-related ancestry: 5.2%
    Y line: Peak District, England. Big Y match: Scania, Sweden; TMRCA 1,280 ybp (YFull);
    mtDNA: traces to Glamorgan, Wales, 18th century. Mother's Y line (Wales): R-L21 L371

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