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    Quote Originally Posted by claudefrancis View Post
    At today we have only some importants test Big y700, history, yfull, etc..... I am just wrtiting a possible story. Tomorrow all the story can be cancel. The point is into my matches Y DNA 25/37 I have 48 contacts, but 20 matches is from UK/Scandinavia in GD2. Some matches are between 1500 – 1700. My direct line father is in nord France 1700 and some surname (very rare in France) 1600 about 40 kms of my direct in Valenciennes (Nord France). I just say origin german tribu, maybe Celtics and in the end possible invasion Vikings. Maybe in the futur with more tests all the story can cancel or confirm. Look Cambresis in France the vikings inavision 800 to 1000.
    I find some surname in Valenciennes in 1600 a lot of people go out of the city for the plague and go into little town. I have document migration of this periode go out of the city same for my surname about 40 kms. I just say is possible.
    An interesting coincidence is that Valenciennes, France is only 60 miles away from Gerpinnes, Belgium where my paternal ancestors first show up around 1650. Luckily, my family lore always stated we came from the British Isles prior to Belgium as religious refugees and itís interesting to see the Y dna evidence confirm this family legend.

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    Bertry and Molain in France are about 40 kms of south Valenciennes. The history of this area is mix of invasions
    Celtics, Vikings etc.... It's difficult to understand but very interesting!

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    yesterday night I have observed better my STR in Yfull. I am A6397 and tested negative
    S6402. Now There is 2 point the best distant STR matches I have 29 matches. The best five
    are 2 sweden, 1 german, 1 Isle of Man and 1 scotland. The 2 sweden the first and third are under S6402.
    Casuality I don't know I have observed that into STR variants I have 9 STR in end mutation to
    S6402. Maybe this is the reason why I am closer as a sweden men A6469 under S6402 and
    closer as other sweden men Y18386 under S6402. I have studied a old theory about
    Haplogroup I1 STR clusters of 2011 and updated 2013 about STR origin. All my STR tested
    I arrive in I1 cluster ABB – Norway (perfect number). I don't know if this tests are to old or this
    approach is just theory but maybe STR are correct for Y DNA origin/genealogy for 500 to
    1500 years and deeper better SNP.
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    today I receive update of Yfull about my SNP I-A6397, now the postition time estimation passed
    300 BC to about 900 BC. Honestly I am happy my SNP was composed of origin Italy, Russia,
    France, UK to large distance for origin country. This now have more sense this was just tribes
    in movement into Europe.This SNP need more people to break the branch to created new. But I
    think the datation is more correct as before.

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    new broken under A6397 now we have S6402 - A6613 - A6412 and A6625.
    The SNP A6397 was repositioned about 2900 TMRCA into migration tribes to Europe.
    I am maked now 2 tests S6402 (again) and A6625 with Yseq. I am waiting the results.

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    Why would you test a SNP you were already confirmed negative for again? Did they test your sample for all SNPs below A6397 and confirm you were negative for anything downstream so far? That would place your position on the tree at I-A6397*.
    Y-DNA: I-A14097(Scotland),
    Big Y: I-F2642>Y1966>Y3649>A13241>Y3647>A14097 (1,850 YBP)
    mtDNA: pending (Westeremden, Netherlands)
    Other lines:
    R-M222 x2, R-L21 x2, I-M223, R-S1141, R-U198 & R-U106, mtHg J1c3
    Known ancestry
    Paternal: Britain & Ireland, France and Germany
    Maternal: Netherlands

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    FTDNA tested only A6397 postive and S6402 negative and after I have maked Big Y700 with 42 new SNP. But I study my file BAM with Yfull, 3 people with SNP under S6402 are best distant STR /0,63) - 3 sweden people with A6625. I want just be sure negative of S6402 and idem for A6625 under S6402. I will test SNP A6412 and A6613 the 2 branch under A6397. The problem with FTDNA that have nothing under A6397 to
    test about new SNP. FTDNA is invested for STR nothing of new pack of SNP.
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    So you have your Big Y results? What did they say about your haplogroup? If Big Y confirmed that you are just I-A6397 then buying more SNP tests was a waste.
    Y-DNA: I-A14097(Scotland),
    Big Y: I-F2642>Y1966>Y3649>A13241>Y3647>A14097 (1,850 YBP)
    mtDNA: pending (Westeremden, Netherlands)
    Other lines:
    R-M222 x2, R-L21 x2, I-M223, R-S1141, R-U198 & R-U106, mtHg J1c3
    Known ancestry
    Paternal: Britain & Ireland, France and Germany
    Maternal: Netherlands

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    No Ftdna no make more test SNP. I am A6397, but I have 42 new SNP unnamed. If I am closer at some str and this str are S6402, A6625, A6613 or A6412. I want to know of is confidence or just casuality.

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    Your 42 Unnamed SNPs are not "on the tree" yet, and several may be private to your lineage. These unnamed variants are not to be confused with S6402, A6625, A6613 or A6412. They are their own entities until proven phyloequivalents or new branches.
    Y-DNA: I-A14097(Scotland),
    Big Y: I-F2642>Y1966>Y3649>A13241>Y3647>A14097 (1,850 YBP)
    mtDNA: pending (Westeremden, Netherlands)
    Other lines:
    R-M222 x2, R-L21 x2, I-M223, R-S1141, R-U198 & R-U106, mtHg J1c3
    Known ancestry
    Paternal: Britain & Ireland, France and Germany
    Maternal: Netherlands

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