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    Hi

    now about convergence I observe that I am A6397 into Yfull under my SNP there 2 principale group, Scotland and Sweden.
    The best 10 are from:
    4 Scotland
    3 Sweden
    mix

    Now about the convergence STR I have 10 people distant matchs but if I esclude all upstream A6397, there is 2 people under A6397 with STR convergent and this 2 people are fron Sweden and the best one is from Sweden.

    If I observe my haplogroup with GD analyse same situation. Into GD -2 there is 2 big group with Y25/37 DNA:
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    Scandinavia

    I know this is just indcation but if M253 is an indicator about viking influence, and the area in UK an Scandinavia was under an influence of vkings and I have 2 people with STR distant STR convergent of Sweden and the area of Nord of France in particular Cambresis was under influence different time by vikings, maybe this group of information give an indication, sure not a certification but an indication or not ?
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    Hi deadly77,

    sure I NEVER will send you again question or other by private messages.

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    Hi

    Today I open my FTDNA and I read my new, but I don't know if is correct, new SNP I-BY104255 ?????????

    I was A6397 - now under A6397 is FGC79161+FGC41662+FGC79162 and under I-BY10455+BY52113+FT14223+BY111857+BY62882

    When I observe yfull into new SNP was I-BY10455+BY52113+FT14223+BY111857+BY62882

    Just some questions:
    My Big Y700 test open a new branch or new SNP under A6397 ?
    there is other person with my SNP ?
    Why FTDNA use Full Genomes codes or other company codes and not SNP number ?

    Thanks for collaboration

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    Hi

    the tree I1 under SNP A6397 (FTDNA) has changed, now we have:
    A6397
    -------- BY34656 (A6613 + A6625 + more) - Germany + Swizzerland
    -------- FGC41661 + more - ??????????
    ------------------------- S6402 - Scotland + UK + Sweden
    ------------------------- A6412 + more - Scotland + UK
    ------------------------- BY104255 + more - France ??????

    Now if we will have the origin of FGC41661 + FGC79161 + FGC41662 + FGC79162 maybe Nordic - the SNP BY104255 can be imported
    in Nord of France by invasion.
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    We can't just simply assume an origin by looking at where other testers have their origins. We can only infer that groups of people from these lineages spread out to these countries.

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    You have right but if FGC41661will be more nordic and if
    BY104255 will be more nordic, maybe, I say maybe this
    SNP was influenced by invasion. I will contact people with this FGC..... to know the origin and inform!

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    Hi everybody,

    some months ago FTDNA has discovered with my Big Y700 some new SNP
    FGC41661 and BY104255.

    We have now I-M253>Z258>Z138>A6397>FGC41661>BY104255

    Yfull positioned FGC41661 about 2900 BCE

    My last direct paternal line is born in 1705 in nord of France, I can say with little
    mistake error that my origin is Germanic tribes. Now under this SNP FGC41661 there is a 3 split
    Scotland/Germany/Poland/Hungary - Germanic/Sweden – France (BY104255). This area with
    frisians (nord Germany + Holland) transform to franks go to south (Belgium + nord of France).
    This is the reason I told my self, ok Germans tribes, frisians to franks into this area logic !
    The last month I was to considered my origin more, german or more franks. But 2 weeks ago
    I control better into Yfull distant STR. I haved 3 very close distant STR (0,062) contacts. 2 of them
    are from Sweden. But one the closer has from Brazil but the origin of José Luis Medeiros born in
    1720 is from Azores. I know that Azores was visited by vikings, there is some documents about that.
    Very strange , SNP vikings are more Z140, Z63, Z59 etc..... but nothing about Z138 or under. I don't say
    that I am origin vikings just german tribes but this close distant STR confuse me.
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    The Azores were settled more heavily by Flemings. Haplogroup I-Z140 in the Azores: https://phylogeographer.com/two-subc...to-the-azores/

    Not that Z140 is the same as Z138, just worth a read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by claudefrancis View Post
    Hi everybody,

    some months ago FTDNA has discovered with my Big Y700 some new SNP
    FGC41661 and BY104255.

    We have now I-M253>Z258>Z138>A6397>FGC41661>BY104255

    Yfull positioned FGC41661 about 2900 BCE

    My last direct paternal line is born in 1705 in nord of France, I can say with little
    mistake error that my origin is Germanic tribes. Now under this SNP FGC41661 there is a 3 split
    Scotland/Germany/Poland/Hungary - Germanic/Sweden – France (BY104255). This area with
    frisians (nord Germany + Holland) transform to franks go to south (Belgium + nord of France).
    This is the reason I told my self, ok Germans tribes, frisians to franks into this area logic !
    The last month I was to considered my origin more, german or more franks. But 2 weeks ago
    I control better into Yfull distant STR. I haved 3 very close distant STR (0,062) contacts. 2 of them
    are from Sweden. But one the closer has from Brazil but the origin of José Luis Medeiros born in
    1720 is from Azores. I know that Azores was visited by vikings, there is some documents about that.
    Very strange , SNP vikings are more Z140, Z63, Z59 etc..... but nothing about Z138 or under. I don't say
    that I am origin vikings just german tribes but this close distant STR confuse me.
    Hi again. I can't find BY104255 or FGC41661on YFull. It said one isn't available and the other isn't on the tree. I can see them on FTDNA though.
    No need to be confused about your STR matches. They mean nothing unless the match is also a close SNP match. SNPs are the only thing you need to look at. To show you what I mean: my terminal SNP match isn't a close STR match and some people match me quite closely on STRs even though SNPs prove they are more distant in reality.
    Living DNA Cautious mode:
    South Wales Border-related ancestry: 86.8%
    Cornwall: 8%
    Cumbria-related ancestry: 5.2%
    Y line: Peak District, England. Big Y match: Scania, Sweden; TMRCA 1,280 ybp (YFull);
    mtDNA: traces to Glamorgan, Wales
    Mother's Y: traces to Llanvair Discoed, Wales

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