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  1. #131
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    Capitalis, thank you for running me through your calculator!

    "distance%=1.1079"

    Smith_R
    Irish,80.8
    German,15.4
    French,2.2
    Swedish,1
    Spanish,0.4
    Basque,0.2

    Your calculator is a surprisingly good fit with my known ancestry. I'm roughly 80% Scot/Irish/Welsh/Western English and about 15% Anglo-Saxon English. The remaining 5% is mostly Rhineland-Palatinate, West Germany with a touch of Dutch and Scandinavian.

    Other calculators have given me about 0.5% Basque/Iberian and 1% Scandinavian. I have no known ancestry there but it turns up.

    Anyway I must give your calculator two thumbs way up!
     
    Estimated ancestry after reviewing Ancestry.com, 23&Me, FTDNA My Origins, Living DNA and known family history:
    English 32%, Scottish 27%, Welsh 20%, Irish 16%, German/Netherlands/French 4%, Danish 1%

    Y-DNA leads to Isle of Skye, Scottish Highlands: R1b>M343>L278>L754>L389>P297>M269>L23>L51>L151/L11>P312>Z290>L21/M529>DF13>L513/DF1>S5668>A7>Z21253> S7834 > S7828 > BY11203 > BY11186 (about 320-550 years old)

    MTDNA leads to Glamorganshire, South Wales: K1a4a1f

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capitalis View Post
    If only DNA-life was so simple. This was an interesting concept so I devoted 15 minutes to it and the bad news is your father has confounding ancestral populations, unfortunately. Namely Ashkenazi and German/French_East. Maybe you can do it if you have a keener eye than me though.

    Better attempt at a table:

    Attachment 26954
    LOL! Back to the drawing board. Thanks! And you're right about the confounding ancestral pops. For Dad, I know who our ancestors were, but can't figure out so much what they were. For my Lebanese-American mom, what our ancestors were seems pretty clear-cut, but I only know who they were back to the late-1860s at best.

    It looks like sometimes the averages are obscuring the regional variances. I bet many Rhine Germans look as off-German-average and East French/Belgian as my dad, for instance.
    Interesting how Belgian includes many of the same components in low levels as Ashkenazi. Since Dad's Belgian and Ashkenazi ancestry are on the same branch (his paternal grandmother's parents), it's impossible to say where one ends and the other begins unless I run across distant relatives who have tested.
    Also looking at MolfishDad (high Swedish) and Agamemnon's (high German, low Swedish) mom, it's clear there are multiple paths to the British Isles averages:

    "distance%=0.6544"
    DewslothDad
    French,55.8
    German,22.6
    Irish,6.4
    Spanish,3.2
    Austrian,1.6
    Swedish,1.6
    Basque,1.2
    Lebanese,1.2
    Czech,1
    Armenian,0.8
    North_Italian,0.8
    South_French,0.8
    Moldovan,0.6
    Croatian,0.4
    Finnish,0.4
    Polish,0.4
    Crete,0.2
    Greek,0.2
    Kazakh,0.2
    Romanian,0.2
    Sardinian,0.2
    Sicilian,0.2


    "distance%=1.2499"
    MolfishDad
    Irish,66.8
    Swedish,16.4
    German,13.6
    French,2.4
    Lithuanian,0.4
    Finnish,0.2
    Russian,0.2

    "distance%=1.3085"
    Agamemnon_Mom
    German,47.4
    Irish,36.4
    French,10
    Swedish,4.2
    Spanish,1.6
    Basque,0.4


    "distance%=1.5421"
    Agamemnon_Dad
    Jewish_Italian,52.2
    Sicilian,10
    Crete,9.4
    Greek,7
    Lebanese,5.4
    Central_Italian,4.6
    Spanish,2.2
    Armenian,1.6
    French,1.6
    German,1.4
    Romanian,1.2
    Croatian,0.6
    Kazakh,0.6
    Moldovan,0.6
    North_Italian,0.6
    Irish,0.4
    Austrian,0.2
    Polish,0.2
    South_French,0.2

    "distance%=1.3614"
    Erikl86
    Jewish_Italian,54.2
    Greek,10.4
    Crete,7.8
    Sicilian,5.8
    Lebanese,4.4
    Central_Italian,2
    French,2
    Spanish,1.8
    Moroccan,1.6
    Armenian,1.2
    Moldovan,1.2
    Romanian,1.2
    Russian,1
    Kazakh,0.8
    Mordovian,0.8
    Sardinian,0.8
    German,0.6
    Polish,0.6
    Basque,0.4
    Croatian,0.4
    South_French,0.4
    Austrian,0.2
    Saami,0.2
    Swedish,0.2
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112 (S17075-)

    Y-cousin: 6DRIF-23 (DF19>>Z17112+, S17075+)

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    Could someone run my and my mother's coordinates with Capitalis's calculator? I wanna see how they differ from Erikl86's and Agamemnon's father's.

    Eihwaz_scaled,0.111547,0.139128,0.003017,-0.037791,0.014464,-0.010598,0.000235,0.000692,0.001841,0.01549,0.0035 73,0.004946,-0.002081,0.013074,-0.007057,-0.013657,-0.011474,0.000887,-0.008045,-0.013632,-0.00836,0.002226,0.007025,0.007109,0.005269

    Eihwaz_mother_scaled,0.113823,0.136081,0.015085,-0.029716,0.027082,-0.01506,0.00658,0.004615,0.000205,0.009112,0.00454 7,0.003597,-0.005946,0.012386,-0.002443,-0.009281,-0.006519,-0.002027,-0.008925,-0.006753,0.003868,0.008408,-0.001109,-0.00012,0.000718
    1 Jew_Ashkenazy_Poland +Volga-German Custom:AGUser_Eihwaz 1.7783 85.83 14.17

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capitalis View Post
    "distance%=0.8019"
    ph2ter
    Czech,24.8
    Croatian,21.8
    German,14.2
    Polish,13
    Russian,11.6
    Austrian,4.8
    Moldovan,3.4
    Greek,1.6
    Mordovian,1.4
    Finnish,0.8
    Lithuanian,0.6
    French,0.4
    Irish,0.4
    Swedish,0.4
    Lebanese,0.2
    North_Italian,0.2
    Romanian,0.2
    Saami,0.2

    "distance%=1.1235"
    Trelvern
    French,58.2
    Irish,27
    German,7.4
    Basque,3
    Austrian,2.6
    Spanish,1
    South_French,0.6
    North_Italian,0.2
    Hello Capitalis,

    Would you mind running me through, too?

    PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC12 ,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC22 ,PC23,PC24,PC25
    JMcB_scaled,0.132035,0.140143,0.065996,0.040052,0. 040931,0.015339,0.005875,0.005307,0.009817,0.00984 1,0.000162,0.00015,-0.016204,-0.012661,0.013436,0.003182,-0.006128,0.002534,0.006536,0.002001,0.009608,0.002 72,0.001109,0.006145,-0.000479

    Thank you in advance!


    Edit: I’m sorry my friend, I see you ran my numbers way back when.

    "distance%=0.8326"
    JMcB
    Swedish,38.6
    German,26.2
    Irish,16.8
    French,12.4
    Basque,2.8
    South_French,1.4
    Spanish,1
    Finnish,0.4
    Sardinian,0.4

    A belated thanks!
    Last edited by JMcB; 11-08-2018 at 05:42 PM.
    Known Paper Trail: 45.3% English, 29.7% Scottish, 12.5% Irish, 6.25% German & 6.25% Italian. Or: 87.5% British Isles, 6.25% German & 6.25% Italian.
    LivingDNA: 88.1% British Isles (59.7% English, 27% Scottish & 1.3% Irish), 5.9% Europe South (Aegian 3.4%, Tuscany 1.3%, Sardinia 1.1%), 4.4% Europe NW (Scandinavia) & 1.6% Europe East, (Mordovia).
    FT Big Y: I1-Z140 branch I-F2642 >Y1966 >Y3649 >A13241 >Y3647 >A13248 (circa 900 AD) >A13242/YSEQ (circa 1030 AD) >A13243/YSEQ (circa 1550 AD).

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    "PS. Don't shoot the messenger."

    Avoid overlaps leads to select certain reference populations (Ireland rather than England ....) if I understood correctly.

    France is cut in two parts (limit the Loire?) or it's France mixed + South France?
    Last edited by Trelvern; 11-08-2018 at 12:38 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ph2ter View Post
    G25 plot with clustering according to the counry of origin (66% ellipses)

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/9pyeq48ouf...untry.png?dl=0
    Looking great !

    Could you also please plot the 7 Romaniote Jews samples on this PCA?

    Romaniote1 0.091058 0.147252 -0.022627 -0.061693 -0.002462 -0.020359 -0.0047 -0.001846 0.006954 0.02442 0.004384 -0.001649 -0.00223 -0.008945 -0.0019 0.008618 0.020079 -0.005194 -0.002514 0.002501 0.005241 -0.005812 0.001109 0.006145 -0.002036

    Romaniote2 0.091058 0.140143 -0.014708 -0.063954 0.008617 -0.022032 -0.00611 -0.004615 0.003886 0.019864 0.002111 0.007044 -0.001487 -0.001376 -0.004207 0.000133 0.008214 -0.000253 -0.002514 0.003001 0.001373 0.000618 -0.000123 -0.00241 0.003832

    Romaniote3 0.095611 0.146236 -0.028284 -0.069122 0.005539 -0.02259 -0.005405 -0.004384 0.007567 0.015672 0.007632 0.004346 0.002676 0.003441 -0.009908 -0.013392 -0.013299 -0.003674 0.000377 -0.005253 -0.006489 0.002597 0.006286 0.00253 -0.000599

    Romaniote4 0.09675 0.146236 -0.026021 -0.066215 0.012002 -0.030399 -0.006345 -0.003231 0.016771 0.021504 0.00682 -0.002398 0.006541 0.005918 -0.009093 -0.002387 -0.011865 -0.002534 0 -0.003377 -0.004492 0 -0.002835 -0.001325 0.001317

    Romaniote5 0.08992 0.14319 -0.027907 -0.064923 0.00677 -0.024542 -0.00047 -0.000462 0.008999 0.018041 0.003897 -0.000749 0.002081 -0.000275 -0.00665 0.002784 0.005607 0.00266 -0.002137 -0.002126 -0.00262 0.002349 0.003328 0.008435 0.001796

    Romaniote6 0.091058 0.142174 -0.028661 -0.062016 0.007386 -0.024821 -0.011045 -0.010153 0.012271 0.016037 0.01088 -0.001798 0.011298 -0.005505 -0.007872 0.009679 0.011343 -0.004181 -0.004902 0.009505 0.002246 0.000495 -0.007148 -0.000482 -0.002036

    Romaniote7 0.088782 0.14319 -0.032432 -0.063954 -0.00277 -0.016733 -0.006815 -0.005538 0.007567 0.014214 0.003573 0.002997 -0.004906 0.005367 -0.008143 -0.016441 -0.014994 -0.004307 0.006536 -0.007754 -0.001373 0.002473 0.001972 -0.005302 0.007065
    Hidden Content
    Y-DNA: Q-M242 -> Q-L232 -> Q-L275 -> Q-M378 -> Q-Y2016 -> Q-L245 -> Q-FGC1904 -> Q-Y2209 -> Q-Y2225 -> Q-Y2197 -> Q-Y2750 -> Q-YP1004 -> Q-YP3924; (Q-YP3924 also down streams from the Jewish-only Y2232; Q-Y2209 originated in BA Levant, Hidden Content ).
    mtDNA: K1a1b1a; (Occur in 20% of total Ashkenazi lineages).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trelvern View Post
    Capitalis
    "PS. Don't shoot the messenger."

    Avoid overlaps leads to select certain reference populations (Ireland rather than England ....) if I understood correctly.

    France is cut in two parts (limit the Loire?) or it's France mixed + South France?
    You understood correctly. French references consist of those labelled "French" by David - I didn't include "French East" references as they overlapped with German references. I would say it's French mixed but I don't know where the people who make up the French references were from exactly. There are also separate South French references in this calculator.

    I'll try to make the basis of this calculator clear in this post.

    First, I chose the reference populations from ph2ter's 66% ellipses PCA (see the image below), trying to keep a "gap" between reference populations. For example, at the 66% ellipse-level, the Irish cluster doesn't touch the Swedish cluster, nor the German cluster. The German cluster doesn't touch the French cluster, nor the Czech cluster, although it does overlap with the Austrian cluster a little. And so on and so forth, for the rest of Europe.

    G25ByCountry small.jpg

    I don't think we learn much about our ancestry if we have lots of overlapping clusters like the nations of Britain. Britain is a population sink, if I understand that term correctly. So is Iceland, I think. People arrive from all directions and cause one big mix.

    This is a map of the references.

    Calc refs small.jpg

    I think this calculator is interesting to compare with Lukasz's K36 map, if you have one.

    My K36 map.

    K36 map.jpg

    My results from this calculator.

    my results.jpg

    There's obviously some artistic license in how I've drawn the cross, but the overall outcome is similar enough.
    Last edited by Capitalis; 11-08-2018 at 07:45 PM.
    My ancestry: 53% S Eng, 2% N Eng, 39% Ire, 6% S Wal
    LivingDNA: 53% S Eng, 7% E Anglia, 15% SW Scot, 9% S Wal, 8% Brit Isles, 4.5% Basque/Sardinian/Tuscan, 3.4% Chechen/Indian/Kurdish

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eihwaz View Post
    Could someone run my and my mother's coordinates with Capitalis's calculator? I wanna see how they differ from Erikl86's and Agamemnon's father's.

    Eihwaz_scaled,0.111547,0.139128,0.003017,-0.037791,0.014464,-0.010598,0.000235,0.000692,0.001841,0.01549,0.0035 73,0.004946,-0.002081,0.013074,-0.007057,-0.013657,-0.011474,0.000887,-0.008045,-0.013632,-0.00836,0.002226,0.007025,0.007109,0.005269

    Eihwaz_mother_scaled,0.113823,0.136081,0.015085,-0.029716,0.027082,-0.01506,0.00658,0.004615,0.000205,0.009112,0.00454 7,0.003597,-0.005946,0.012386,-0.002443,-0.009281,-0.006519,-0.002027,-0.008925,-0.006753,0.003868,0.008408,-0.001109,-0.00012,0.000718
    "distance%=1.9616"
    Eihwaz
    Greek,44
    Sicilian,22.8
    Jewish_Italian,22.6
    Armenian,1.6
    Turkish,1.6
    Chechen,1.2
    Lebanese,1
    Romanian,1
    Crete,0.8
    North_Italian,0.8
    French,0.4
    German,0.4
    Moldovan,0.4
    Russian,0.4
    Spanish,0.4
    Croatian,0.2
    Czech,0.2
    Lithuanian,0.2

    "distance%=2.2889"
    Eihwaz_mother
    Greek,47.8
    Sicilian,30
    Jewish_Italian,4
    French,3.4
    German,2
    Spanish,1.8
    Crete,1.4
    Central_Italian,1
    Chechen,1
    North_Italian,1
    Armenian,0.8
    Kazakh,0.8
    Lebanese,0.8
    Moldovan,0.8
    Romanian,0.8
    Austrian,0.4
    Basque,0.4
    South_French,0.4
    Croatian,0.2
    Finnish,0.2
    Irish,0.2
    Mordovian,0.2
    Polish,0.2
    Russian,0.2
    Swedish,0.2
    My ancestry: 53% S Eng, 2% N Eng, 39% Ire, 6% S Wal
    LivingDNA: 53% S Eng, 7% E Anglia, 15% SW Scot, 9% S Wal, 8% Brit Isles, 4.5% Basque/Sardinian/Tuscan, 3.4% Chechen/Indian/Kurdish

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capitalis View Post
    You understood correctly. French references consist of those labelled "French" by David - I didn't include "French East" references as they overlapped with German references. I would say it's French mixed but I don't know where the people who make up the French references were from exactly. There are also separate South French references in this calculator.

    I'll try to make the basis of this calculator clear in this post.

    First, I chose the reference populations from ph2ter's 66% ellipses PCA (see the image below), trying to keep a "gap" between reference populations. For example, at the 66% ellipse-level, the Irish cluster doesn't touch the Swedish cluster, nor the German cluster. The German cluster doesn't touch the French cluster, nor the Czech cluster, although it does overlap with the Austrian cluster a little. And so on and so forth, for the rest of Europe.

    Attachment 26968

    I don't think we learn much about our ancestry if we have lots of overlapping clusters like the nations of Britain. Britain is a population sink, if I understand that term correctly. So is Iceland, I think. People arrive from all directions and cause one big mix.

    This is a map of the references.

    Attachment 26967

    I think this calculator is interesting to compare with Lukasz's K36 map, if you have one.

    My K36 map.

    Attachment 26969

    My results from this calculator.

    Attachment 26970

    There's obviously some artistic license in how I've drawn the cross, but the overall outcome is similar enough.

    I also ran some populations that aren't in the references through this calculator, to give an idea of typical results.

    England and Wales

    Attachment 26971

    Scotland, Orkney and Shetland

    Attachment 26972

    Netherlands

    Attachment 26973

    Belgium

    Attachment 26974
    Hello Capitalis,

    I’m not sure if I’m the only one but your first four attachments aren’t working.
    Known Paper Trail: 45.3% English, 29.7% Scottish, 12.5% Irish, 6.25% German & 6.25% Italian. Or: 87.5% British Isles, 6.25% German & 6.25% Italian.
    LivingDNA: 88.1% British Isles (59.7% English, 27% Scottish & 1.3% Irish), 5.9% Europe South (Aegian 3.4%, Tuscany 1.3%, Sardinia 1.1%), 4.4% Europe NW (Scandinavia) & 1.6% Europe East, (Mordovia).
    FT Big Y: I1-Z140 branch I-F2642 >Y1966 >Y3649 >A13241 >Y3647 >A13248 (circa 900 AD) >A13242/YSEQ (circa 1030 AD) >A13243/YSEQ (circa 1550 AD).

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMcB View Post
    Hello Capitalis,

    I’m not sure if I’m the only one but your first four attachments aren’t working.
    Thanks. I broke the attachments per post limit!

    Part two:

    I also ran some populations that aren't in the references through this calculator, to give an idea of typical results.

    England and Wales

    Eng_Wel.png

    Scotland, Orkney and Shetland

    Sco_Orc_She.png

    Netherlands

    Dut.png

    Belgium

    Bel.png

    Ukraine

    Ukr.png
    Last edited by Capitalis; 11-08-2018 at 07:47 PM.
    My ancestry: 53% S Eng, 2% N Eng, 39% Ire, 6% S Wal
    LivingDNA: 53% S Eng, 7% E Anglia, 15% SW Scot, 9% S Wal, 8% Brit Isles, 4.5% Basque/Sardinian/Tuscan, 3.4% Chechen/Indian/Kurdish

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