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    Quote Originally Posted by Aspar View Post
    That Macedonian cluster doesn't make sense at all.
    I am quite sure that there are no pure Macedonians who cluster with Moldavians or Bosnianians.
    You should know that Macedonia is quite diverse actually. There is Slavic-like and Albanian-like majority, but there exist also Aromanian-like, Turkish-like and Roma-like peoples.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aspar View Post
    That Macedonian cluster doesn't make sense at all.
    I am quite sure that there are no pure Macedonians who cluster with Moldavians or Bosnianians.
    There is significant overlapping between all southern Slavic populations, except Slovenians.

    Seems like you're confusing population averages with individual diversity, and just talking nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lukaszM View Post
    This https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0105090
    If the map is showing real places (for Bosnia it seems yes), there are from Skopye or generally northern part?
    Yes, the map on Figure 1 shows that the samples are from Skopje.
    However, Skopje is multiethnic city, with a lot of Bosnians who settled there as refugees from the war.
    Most of them today have Macedonian citizenship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aspar View Post
    Yes, the map on Figure 1 shows that the samples are from Skopje.
    However, Skopje is multiethnic city, with a lot of Bosnians who settled there as refugees from the war.
    Most of them today have Macedonian citizenship.
    The individuals are not randomly chosen, otherwise there'd be no point in doing the study
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    Quote Originally Posted by Generalissimo View Post
    There is significant overlapping between all southern Slavic populations, except Slovenians.

    Seems like you're confusing population averages with individual diversity, and just talking nonsense.
    I am not saying there is not, I am just saying that I have over 50 Gedmatch kits of Macedonians and haven't seen even one plotting near Moldavians or Bosnians.
    If your calculators say something else, I am not saying there is something wrong with your method of work but rather that the samples might not be pure Macedonians.
    I would gladly pay you to analyze the kits I have, however I don't have their raw data.
    I can send you mine however...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ph2ter View Post
    You should know that Macedonia is quite diverse actually. There is Slavic-like and Albanian-like majority, but there exist also Aromanian-like, Turkish-like and Roma-like peoples.
    I see what you mean but the Slavic like Macedonians are not Bosnian like.
    I am myself Slavic speaking Macedonian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aspar View Post
    I see what you mean but the Slavic like Macedonians are not Bosnian like.
    I am myself Slavic speaking Macedonian.
    On the plot there isn't any overlapping region between Bosnia and Macedonia. Overlapping areas are with Albania, Greece, Bulgaria, Montenegro, Serbia, Romania and Moldova.
    Probably only Romania and Molodva are disputable, but that overlapping maybe can be explained with Aromanian type of ancestry among Macedonians.
     
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    Interesting to see that the most 'Northern' Italians like you and Mec_Venitien do not end up in the North_Italy cluster. Probably because you have both Tyrolean or Swiss_German ancestry.

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