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    Polish communities in Eastern Europe

    Ethnic Poles outside of the borders of present-day Poland:

    1. Before WW2:

    South Kresy* - 2,249,703 Poles**** (1931 Polish census)
    North Kresy** - 1,663,888 Poles*** (1931 Polish census)
    Soviet Belarus - 97,498 Poles (1926 Soviet census)
    Soviet Ukraine - 476,435 Poles (1926 Soviet census)
    Lithuania - 202,026 Poles (1923 votes for Polish Party)
    Latvia - 59,374 Poles (1930 Latvian census)
    Estonia - 1,608 Poles (1934 Estonian census)
    Soviet Russia - 197,827 Poles (1926 Soviet census)
    Czech Silesia - 200,000 Poles (1939 Polish data)

    *Today Western Ukraine, before WW2 this area was part of Poland.
    **Today Western Belarus & South Lithuania, in Poland before WW2.

    ***This 1,663,888 included, by religion: 1,358,029 Roman Catholic Poles, 281,331 Orthodox & Greek Catholic Poles, 9,011 Jewish Poles, 15,517 other Poles. Non-Polish Roman Catholics were 154,449. The number of Orthodox and Greek Catholic Poles could be artificially inflated (same in South Kresy).

    ****Of whom 1,765,765 Roman Catholic Poles (other Poles were not counted by Piotr Eberhardt, see the spoiler):


    Total: ca. 5.1 million (or 4.4 million if counting only Roman Catholic Poles)

    2. After WW2:

    Belarus - 538,881 Poles (1959 Soviet census)
    Ukraine - 363,297 Poles (1959 Soviet census)
    Lithuania - 230,107 Poles (1959 Soviet census)
    Latvia - 59,774 Poles (1959 Soviet census)
    Estonia - 2,256 Poles (1959 Soviet census)
    Rest of the USSR - 185,967 (1959 census)
    Czechoslovakia - 66,540 Poles (1961 census)

    Total: ca. 1.5 million (according to unofficial estimates, more stayed there)
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    Here is a map of the areas in question:

    2 = South Kresy (now Western Ukraine)
    1a = North Kresy (now Western Belarus)
    1b = North Kresy (now South Lithuania)
    1.2 = Soviet Belarus (now East Belarus)
    2.2 = Soviet Ukraine (Central-East Ukraine)
    1.3 = pre-WW2 Lithuania + Memelland
    1.4 = Latvia as well as Estonia
    3 = Soviet Russia (rest of the USSR)



    Czech Silesia (areas west of Olza River):
    https://polona.pl/item/wojewodztwo-s...#info:metadata

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    Ethnic structure of some Kresy cities before WW2 and today:



    ^^^
    Lvov was the 3rd largest city of Poland in 1931, after Warsaw & Łódź:

    https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miasta...eczypospolitej



    Polish garrison of Lwów, under Gen. Władysław Langner, surrendered to the Soviet Red Army on 22.09.1939 afternoon:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W%C5%8...5%82aw_Langner

    The city was defended against Germans (since 12.09.39) & later against the Soviets with Germans (since 18/19.09.39):



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    1938 film with English subtitles about the Jewish community of Lwów:

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    About 15% of citizens of Poland today (ca. 6 million people) declare full or partial Eastern ancestry.

    Distribution in modern Poland (by region) of Poles with ancestry from former Polish Eastern Lands:



    Sources: a 2012 survey by CBOS, 1950 census and Leszek Kosiński's publications from the 1960s.

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    Only Poles not certain about themselves will start such thread. I mean Poles who have less to do with us. OP! You know we're different. I feel proximity to certain Poles. I'd love to read Poles of Podlaskie. Especially Poles of Mazovia.

    They are our genetic cousins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Volat View Post
    Only Poles not certain about themselves will start such thread. I mean Poles who have less to do with us. OP! You know we're different. I feel proximity to certain Poles. I'd love to read Poles of Podlaskie. Especially Poles of Mazovia.

    They are our genetic cousins.

    The thread per se is OK. But some of the documentation is doubtful. Esp. the 1931 Polish census. It's actually not about ethnicity but about alleged" linguistic Poles" and has been criticized (by some Polish scholars also).

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    Quote Originally Posted by George View Post
    The thread per se is OK. But some of the documentation is doubtful. Esp. the 1931 Polish census. It's actually not about ethnicity but about alleged" linguistic Poles" and has been criticized (by some Polish scholars also).
    In my eyes the thread is not Okay. Take a look to what happened to Ukrainians and Belarusians in the West during interwar period. There was no Holodomor. But Orthodox churches were closed. We were discrimated against. There was a reason for ethnic tension between Ukrainians and Poles.

    Take a look for why it happened between 1921 and 1939.

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    Genetically, culturally, historically Belarusians and Ukrainians (especially Ukrainians of Chernihiv, Kyiv, Zhytomyr, Rivno, Volyn) . God damn I don't like Ukrainians using the letter 'i' in place where we use 'a'.
    George! You know this well.

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    It's OK to try to find out how many Poles existed in the erstwhile eastern areas of "interwar Poland". But it's not OK to use falsified information. And I agree with your overall statements about the epoch. I have no positive sentiments for micro-imperial nostalgias.

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    Russians and Ukrainians argued over religion celebrations for years. Today Belarus has 10% of its population Roman Catholic.Right from the beginning we introduced all Roman Catholic celebrations as public holidays. Once a certain Russian came to us saying that Roman Catholic church is taller than eastern Orthodox church in a town of Viciebsk region. The region near Lithuania and Latvia.People could not understand him. He was not welcomed anymore.
    Some idiot out of Siberia coming to us saying the church of our Roman Catholic which Belarusians, Poles, Lithuanians attend is taller?

    PS I keep my fingers crossed for Ukrainian Orthodox Chuch of Kyiv patriachate getting autocephaly.

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