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    Your DNA Is Not Your Culture...

    Nice read on a important and very relevant subject:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/science/...ulture/571150/

    A Spotify playlist tailored to your DNA is the latest example of brands cashing in on people’s search for identity.
    There is a very important point to be made here, and that is that a DNA test does not change your cultural or ethnic identity..

    PS: please read the whole article, it is not really about Spotify, but about the issues relating to ethnicity, identity etc in relation to DNA tests..
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    Dna doesn't change or define culture. Education system, media and technology changes culture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evon View Post
    Your DNA Is Not Your Culture...
    *discards of body pillow*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Username View Post
    Dna doesn't change or define culture. Education system, media and technology changes culture.
    I think you misunderstood the point here, it is that even if, as an example taken from the article, you get German on a DNA test/estimation, it does not mean that you are therefore ethnically or culturally German. An example of this sort of mentality can be seen on this forum too, with ridiculous thread titles such as "Are you a Gypsy? would you like to know?", or even more bizarre "IM'A VARANGIAN?".. The bottom line is that many people seem to confuse ancestry with heritage, the former based in biology and the latter in culture...

    From the article:
    First, the accuracy of these tests is unproven (as detailed here and here). But putting that aside, consider simply what it means to get a surprise result of, say, 15 percent German. If you speak no German, celebrate no German traditions, have never cooked German food, and know no Germans, what connection is there, really? Cultural identity is the sum total of all of these experiences. DNA alone does not supersede it.

    Listening to 99 Luftballons or rooting for Germany in the World Cup is fairly trivial as these things go. But this wave of marketing campaigns encourages a way of thinking—that you can pick and choose which fractional parts of genetic identity to highlight when it makes for good cocktail-party conversation.
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    My point was it doesn't matter what your Dna results tell you, as a person you won't change and your personality will stay the same. If someone suspects they might be a descendant of a Varangian for example how does that change the culture this individual grew up in or belongs to? Besides there's no such thing as a Varangian culture and if there was it's been extinct for a very long time so how does a sane individual get influenced by that in any significant degree?

    As for this Ancestry music playlist thing you really think someone will change their taste in music because of that? Of course not. People will keep liking what they like. It's a silly idea ment to attract more customers, nothing more.

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    the thread title belongs in the no shit Sherlock category. did somebody actually get paid to write that piece? also, how one "identifies" is purely subjective and influenced by things external. meaning your DNA is your DNA and will not change, period. how you "identify" and which culture you follow can change.

    here is a prime example of culture and changes while DNA doesn't. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcp8rN-YqLw
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    Quote Originally Posted by evon View Post
    Nice read on a important and very relevant subject:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/science/...ulture/571150/



    There is a very important point to be made here, and that is that a DNA test does not change your cultural or ethnic identity..
    Some countries, well, most countries outside of western Europe / western world tend to think otherwise. I'm not sure there is a global consensus here, or even a drive for said countries to make such a cultural move.
    YDNA: R1b-Z220 (A7066+) (1800's Stepney, London(Bethnal Green), UK George Wood b. 1782
    maternal-grandfather YDNA: prob. I1 Gurr, George 1843, Feversham, Kent, England.
    maternal-grandmother YDNA: R1b-P311+ Beech, John Richard b. 1780, Lewes, England
    maternal-ggrandfather YDNA R1b-U106 Thomas, Edward b 1854, Sittingbourne, Kent
    paternal-ggf YDNA: R1b-L48. Gould, John Somerset England 1800s.
    paternal-ggf YDNA: R1b-L48. Scott, William Hamilton mdka Ireland(?) < 1800s

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    Thank you Jerry. Evon don't get upset. The idea of the thread is still an interesting subject, if it wasn't I wouldn't bother spending my time typing this shit from my phone which I don't enjoy much. And I'm not disagreeing with the message you're attempting to convey, neither did I misunderstand it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Username View Post
    My point was it doesn't matter what your Dna results tell you, as a person you won't change and your personality will stay the same. If someone suspects they might be a descendant of a Varangian for example how does that change the culture this individual grew up in or belongs to? Besides there's no such thing as a Varangian culture and if there was it's been extinct for a very long time so how does a sane individual get influenced by that in any significant degree?

    As for this Ancestry music playlist thing you really think someone will change their taste in music because of that? Of course not. People will keep liking what they like. It's a silly idea ment to attract more customers, nothing more.
    I get the feeling that we are talking past each other here, as I was merely presenting the article's view and saying that I agree with it.

    Furthermore, even though the article topic is obvious to many of us, you would be surprised how common it is for people to try to "claim" a new identity based on their DNA results (in my experience this is especially true for Brits and Americans, although I have also seen it among Norwegians too), as seems to be the case with the threads I posted (there are likely better threads, than the Varangian thread, on the subject if you spend time looking for them. The Gypsy thread being a better example).
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    Quote Originally Posted by ADW_1981 View Post
    Some countries, well, most countries outside of western Europe / western world tend to think otherwise. I'm not sure there is a global consensus here, or even a drive for said countries to make such a cultural move.
    The example of Native Americans from the article hits the nail in respect to the Americas..

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