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    Quote Originally Posted by Tz85 View Post
    This calculator is almost 10 years old, and completely useless.
    It's actually pretty accurate for South Asians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lollybolly View Post
    It's actually pretty accurate for South Asians.
    "Accurate" is not accurate lol, but given the popularity (and extensive-ness) of Harappa runs across many kits over the decade, it is useful in comparing across various groups throughout South Asia. I would not use to rationalize individual components though. By itself, the components are meaningless/incomplete IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poi View Post
    "Accurate" is not accurate lol, but given the popularity (and extensive-ness) of Harappa runs across many kits over the decade, it is useful in comparing across various groups throughout South Asia. I would not use to rationalize individual components though. By itself, the components are meaningless/incomplete IMO.
    Its quite useful for comparison as you said for South Asians. Also NE-Euro level gives an indication of steppe level in the person etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amber29 View Post
    Well its the opposite, his dad claims Rana Rajput but im confused because his SW asian is very high. I thought that this maybe Syed claim somewhere before moving to pakistan and took upon a RAJPUT title?? I might aswell post it right? LOL hang on lol I might aswell post his results now, got his permission too,

    ill do my grandparents another time, lol i just wanted to make it easier and post it together, but here you go,

    His grandmother and my grandmother are sisters, he mentioned his dad somewhere from Patiala, but not sure if this is normal the score? so maybe his dad came from Bihar who may have claimed to be Syeds (his dad has passed away but i will also be doing his YDNA soon)

    I compared like my mums results to my grandads ftdna literally seems in line using FTDNA. so i am wondering if my cousins maybe close to reality too?

    hope someone can help me out here.


    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 40.22
    2 S-Indian 31.21
    3 Caucasian 10.08
    4 NE-Euro 6.98
    5 SW-Asian 5.62
    6 Siberian 1.54
    7 SE-Asian 1.5
    8 Mediterranean 1.11
    9 Beringian 0.65
    10 NE-Asian 0.39
    11 American 0.38
    12 Papuan 0.32

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 punjabi (harappa) 4.38
    2 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 5.01
    3 punjabi-arain (xing) 5.43
    4 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 5.59
    5 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 5.73
    6 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 5.84
    7 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 5.96
    8 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 6.14
    9 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 6.47
    10 sindhi (harappa) 6.47
    11 sindhi (hgdp) 6.7
    12 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 6.99
    13 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 7.22
    14 kashmiri (harappa) 7.23
    15 up-muslim (harappa) 7.44
    16 nepalese-a (xing) 9.8
    17 bhatia (harappa) 9.84
    18 pathan (hgdp) 10.29
    19 up-brahmin (harappa) 11.13
    20 burusho (hgdp) 11.7

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 92.2% punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) + 7.8% saudi (behar) @ 2.56
    2 60.2% bihari-muslim (harappa) + 39.8% balochi (hgdp) @ 2.62
    3 91.5% punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) + 8.5% qatari (henn2012) @ 2.65
    4 63.5% bihari-muslim (harappa) + 36.5% makrani (hgdp) @ 2.65
    5 92.4% kashmiri-pahari (harappa) + 7.6% qatari (henn2012) @ 2.74
    6 92.2% punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) + 7.8% bedouin (hgdp) @ 2.81
    7 93.2% kashmiri-pahari (harappa) + 6.8% saudi (behar) @ 2.85
    8 64.2% bengali-brahmin (harappa) + 35.8% makrani (hgdp) @ 2.89
    9 92.4% punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) + 7.6% yemen-jew (behar) @ 2.9
    10 93.1% kashmiri-pahari (harappa) + 6.9% bedouin (hgdp) @ 2.92
    11 61% bengali-brahmin (harappa) + 39% balochi (hgdp) @ 2.99
    12 78.2% up-muslim (harappa) + 21.8% brahui (hgdp) @ 3.05
    13 93% punjabi-arain (xing) + 7% qatari (henn2012) @ 3.13
    14 93.8% punjabi-arain (xing) + 6.2% saudi (behar) @ 3.2
    15 75.8% up-muslim (harappa) + 24.2% balochi (hgdp) @ 3.25
    16 90.9% punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) + 9.1% yemenese (behar) @ 3.25
    17 93.3% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 6.7% saudi (behar) @ 3.25
    18 92.6% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 7.4% qatari (henn2012) @ 3.26
    19 93.7% punjabi-arain (xing) + 6.3% bedouin (hgdp) @ 3.26
    20 93.6% kashmiri-pahari (harappa) + 6.4% yemen-jew (behar) @ 3.27
    Even pure syeds from punjab don't score that much SW Asian from few samples we have seen. Like saporro said its likely to be case of chip inflating SW Asian component over caucasian. Syed is more or less prestigious title already. Unless he claimed to be syed I will not look to much in to it.
    Last edited by bol_nat; 09-09-2019 at 11:09 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laltota View Post
    Its quite useful for comparison as you said for South Asians. Also NE-Euro level gives an indication of steppe level in the person etc
    Harappa was the best thing back then for South Asians that at least attempted to break down to broader Bronze/Neolithic age components. To give an example, “NE Euro” there has very little meaning (by itself) as it is an incomplete actual Steppe relevant for South Asians. Since South Asian steppe is SteppeMLBA, You’d have to combine NEEuro with Mediterranean and also bits of Caucasian and Baloch perhaps. And “South Indian” might be a good indicator of pre-BronzeAge South Asia but it has local southern HG and (now perhaps) northern/western HG/bits of IranN. It is just very dated in late 2019. It was probably the best thing for consumer personal South Asian genomics in 2013.

    That being said, with its integration in Gedmatch, it is readily available for any kit there and people have sheets of scores for the pops they’re interested in. Can’t beat its ease of use and accessibility, despite being full of dated components(for South Asians).

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyDLuffy View Post
    Isn't Rana used by Rajputs that migrated from east punjab? Because I always found the ones from west punjab, especially in northern areas use Raja instead of Rana.
    Raja is used more in north/potohar/ajk. So my guess is Rana is also used in Pakistan central punjab. Now days Rana's are found all over punjab but historically Majhi speaking region of Pakistan punjab is this area marked in map if we ignore settlers/migrants. Districts of Lahore, Gujranwala, Sialkot, Gujrat, Nankana, Kasur, Narowal. Rest of west punjab speak potohari, seraiki, Jhangvi etc Though majority in Gujrat speak majhi like punjabi, but here rajputs are known as rajas. In Kharian at least which is north of Gujrat city.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bol_nat View Post
    Even pure syeds from punjab don't score that much SW Asian from few samples we have seen. Like saporro said its likely to be case of chip inflating SW Asian component over caucasian. Syed is more or less prestigious title already. Unless he claimed to be syed I will not look to much in to it.
    I think its debatable to be honest, iv compared dads kits seems consistant. But i wont know my cousins properly. Untill i try doing his v3 not sure if you read my other posts lol
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    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 42.64
    2 S-Indian 30.53
    3 Caucasian 12.28
    4 NE-Euro 8.79
    5 SW-Asian 3.69
    6 American 1.48
    7 W-African 0.52
    8 Pygmy 0.05
    9 San 0.02

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 punjabi-arain (xing) 4.21
    2 sindhi (harappa) 4.87
    3 punjabi (harappa) 5.13
    4 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 5.21
    5 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 5.38
    6 sindhi (hgdp) 5.41
    7 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 5.49
    8 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 5.5
    9 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 5.55
    10 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 5.66
    11 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 6.11
    12 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 6.44
    13 kashmiri (harappa) 6.76
    14 bhatia (harappa) 6.81
    15 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 7.76
    16 pathan (hgdp) 8.16
    17 up-muslim (harappa) 9.61
    18 nepalese-a (xing) 10.66
    19 kalash (hgdp) 10.79
    20 burusho (hgdp) 10.83

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 73.5% bhatia (harappa) + 26.5% cochin-jew (behar) @ 2.39
    2 82.5% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 17.5% makrani (hgdp) @ 2.55
    3 50.2% punjabi-khatri (harappa) + 49.8% sindhi (hgdp) @ 2.59
    4 75.9% bhatia (harappa) + 24.1% kerala-christian (harappa) @ 2.71
    5 80.4% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 19.6% balochi (hgdp) @ 2.71
    6 59.2% punjabi-arain (xing) + 40.8% punjabi-khatri (harappa) @ 2.74
    7 78.9% bhatia (harappa) + 21.1% ap-hyderabad (harappa) @ 2.85
    8 82.8% bhatia (harappa) + 17.2% tamil-nadu-scheduled-caste (metspalu) @ 2.87
    9 87.4% bhatia (harappa) + 12.6% hakkipikki (metspalu) @ 2.88
    10 79.8% bhatia (harappa) + 20.2% tamil (harappa) @ 2.89
    11 86.4% sindhi (harappa) + 13.6% gujarati-a (hapmap) @ 2.91
    12 56.2% punjabi-arain (xing) + 43.8% sindhi (harappa) @ 2.92
    13 83.8% bhatia (harappa) + 16.2% naidu (reich) @ 2.92
    14 83.2% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 16.8% brahui (hgdp) @ 2.93
    15 76% pathan (hgdp) + 24% gujarati-a (1000genomes) @ 2.94
    16 84.5% bhatia (harappa) + 15.5% piramalai-kallar (metspalu) @ 2.95
    17 80.5% bhatia (harappa) + 19.5% andhra-pradesh (harappa) @ 2.95
    18 86.2% sindhi (harappa) + 13.8% gujarati-a (1000genomes) @ 2.95
    19 87.6% bhatia (harappa) + 12.4% kurumba (reich) @ 2.96
    20 84.4% bhatia (harappa) + 15.6% hallaki (reich) @ 2.96


    was suposed to get my maternal grandmothers, but it failed today , so sending the kit back to pak again... long.
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