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    Quote Originally Posted by agent_lime View Post
    Punjabi from Lahore. Too bad it's not public, we could've found their relatives.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/com...match_harappa/
    I'm cringing at the "sabhrestman" guy who said his R1a-Y7 is only found in upper castes. Chamars have ~39% R1a according to Sengupta 2006, which is similar to Jatts (~41%). I would be willing to wager that most Chamar R1a is Y7, just like ours too, as we're both Punjabi groups.

    R1a in general is the most common paternal lineage in South Asia, so it would be sense that almost every caste/tribal group has at least some R1a.
    YFull: YF67680 (FTDNA - IN41220)

    Ancestral Haplos (Punjabi Jatt):
    * Father: R2-SK2142 > Y1383 - M5a1a
    * Maternal Uncle: R1b-Z2109 > Y35099 - U7a3a
    * MGMs F (?): L-M22 > M357 - ?
    * PGMs F (?): Q-F1096 > L712 - ?
    * MGMs MGF: R1a-Z93 > Y7 - ?

    Friends haplos:
    * North Moroccan Berber: E-M35 > M81 - R0
    * Han Chinese: O-M117 > F1531 - M7e
    * Gujarati Lohana (?): T-Y11151 > Y13290 - R30b1

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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronbee2010 View Post
    I'm cringing at the "sabhrestman" guy who said his R1a-Y7 is only found in upper castes. Chamars have ~39% R1a according to Sengupta 2006, which is similar to Jatts (~41%). I would be willing to wager that most Chamar R1a is Y7, just like ours too, as we're both Punjabi groups.

    R1a in general is the most common paternal lineage in South Asia, so it would be sense that almost every caste/tribal group has at least some R1a.
    As a R1a-Y7, I agree with this post. Punjabi Chamars seem like blend of biradari punjabis with Churah/musseli like population. So it won't be a surprise if paternally they've same haplos as biradari punjabis.
    Deg Teg Fateh - Victory to Charity and Arms

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    Paternal Haplogroup: R1a1a Y7>Y2568*

    Maternal Haplogroup: M3a2

    Father's Maternal Haplogroup: U2b2

    Mother's Paternal Haplogroup (most likely): L1a2

    Paternal Grandmother Haplogroup: J-CTS5368

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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronbee2010 View Post
    I'm cringing at the "sabhrestman" guy who said his R1a-Y7 is only found in upper castes. Chamars have ~39% R1a according to Sengupta 2006, which is similar to Jatts (~41%). I would be willing to wager that most Chamar R1a is Y7, just like ours too, as we're both Punjabi groups.

    R1a in general is the most common paternal lineage in South Asia, so it would be sense that almost every caste/tribal group has at least some R1a.
    Generally people on reddit don’t know too much. I’ve seen lots of posts describing Punjabi’s as being “heavily mixed” with Persians and Central Asians. The sad part is that to the layman these people may sound like they know what they’re on about but they really don’t...at all. Ocassionally you see a guy who REALLY knows his ish but it’s very rare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Censored View Post
    Generally people on reddit don’t know too much. I’ve seen lots of posts describing Punjabi’s as being “heavily mixed” with Persians and Central Asians. The sad part is that to the layman these people may sound like they know what they’re on about but they really don’t...at all. Ocassionally you see a guy who REALLY knows his ish but it’s very rare.
    They're not exactly wrong, Muslim Punjabis are mixed with them, it's the Sikhs and Hindus who are not. That's why they look and score different.
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    Paternal Haplogroup: R1a1a Y7>Y2568*

    Maternal Haplogroup: M3a2

    Father's Maternal Haplogroup: U2b2

    Mother's Paternal Haplogroup (most likely): L1a2

    Paternal Grandmother Haplogroup: J-CTS5368

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyDLuffy View Post
    They're not exactly wrong, Muslim Punjabis are mixed with them, it's the Sikhs and Hindus who are not. That's why they look and score different.
    Fair point but these people don’t understand endogamy and if you’re Hindu or Sikh you’re not going to have anything foreign. Although I saw one guy explaining it perfectly.

    Sadly the trace west Asian that they’re getting is bound to throw people off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyDLuffy View Post
    As a R1a-Y7, I agree with this post. Punjabi Chamars seem like blend of biradari punjabis with Churah/musseli like population. So it won't be a surprise if paternally they've same haplos as biradari punjabis.
    like indian punjabi singer Hansraj Hans and tunk tunk guy? i hear they are "chamar"

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    Quote Originally Posted by gudar View Post
    like indian punjabi singer Hansraj Hans and tunk tunk guy? i hear they are "chamar"
    Not sure about Daler Mehndi (Tunak Tunak guy), but hans raj hans is from Balmiki background, which is another name for Churah. Daler Mehndi comes from Chamar background I think.
    Deg Teg Fateh - Victory to Charity and Arms

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    Paternal Haplogroup: R1a1a Y7>Y2568*

    Maternal Haplogroup: M3a2

    Father's Maternal Haplogroup: U2b2

    Mother's Paternal Haplogroup (most likely): L1a2

    Paternal Grandmother Haplogroup: J-CTS5368

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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronbee2010 View Post
    I'm cringing at the "sabhrestman" guy who said his R1a-Y7 is only found in upper castes. Chamars have ~39% R1a according to Sengupta 2006, which is similar to Jatts (~41%). I would be willing to wager that most Chamar R1a is Y7, just like ours too, as we're both Punjabi groups.

    R1a in general is the most common paternal lineage in South Asia, so it would be sense that almost every caste/tribal group has at least some R1a.
    M780 is same as L657?


    "R1a-M780 (Figure 3d) occurs at high frequency in South Asia: India,
    Pakistan, Afghanistan, and the Himalayas. The group also occurs at
    3% in some Iranian populations and is present at 30% in Roma
    from Croatia and Hungary"
    https://web.archive.org/web/20160816...March-2014.pdf

    Its 30% in European roma. Punjab chamars score quite bit of steppe but ancestors of roma gypsys likely carried very little steppe ancestry despite 30% frequency of R1a.
    Last edited by bol_nat; 01-25-2020 at 05:08 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bol_nat View Post
    M780 is same as L657?


    "R1a-M780 (Figure 3d) occurs at high frequency in South Asia: India,
    Pakistan, Afghanistan, and the Himalayas. The group also occurs at
    3% in some Iranian populations and is present at 30% in Roma
    from Croatia and Hungary"
    https://web.archive.org/web/20160816...March-2014.pdf

    Its 30% in European roma. Punjab chamars score quite bit of steppe but ancestors of roma gypsys likely carried very little steppe ancestry despite 30% frequency of R1a.
    Romas most likely trace their ancestry back to Dom or Bazigar like nomadic groups, which would be more similar to Churah than Chamars.

    Also I was under impression Romas had high H, while Punjabis Chamars seem to show More R1a ratio.
    Last edited by MonkeyDLuffy; 01-25-2020 at 05:26 AM.
    Deg Teg Fateh - Victory to Charity and Arms

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    Paternal Haplogroup: R1a1a Y7>Y2568*

    Maternal Haplogroup: M3a2

    Father's Maternal Haplogroup: U2b2

    Mother's Paternal Haplogroup (most likely): L1a2

    Paternal Grandmother Haplogroup: J-CTS5368

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    Quote Originally Posted by agent_lime View Post
    Code:
    Admix Results (sorted):
    
    #	Population	Percent
    1 	S-Indian 	41.02
    2 	Baloch 	35.43
    3 	Caucasian 	9.71
    4 	NE-Euro 	7.79
    5 	Siberian 	2.94
    6 	SW-Asian 	1.51
    7 	American 	1.15
    8 	Beringian 	0.42
    9 	NE-Asian 	0.03
    
    Single Population Sharing:
    
    #	Population (source)	Distance
    1 	bihari-muslim (harappa) 	5.4
    2 	up-brahmin (harappa) 	6.14
    3 	bengali-brahmin (harappa) 	6.56
    4 	brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) 	6.62
    5 	meghawal (reich) 	6.79
    6 	maharashtrian (harappa) 	6.89
    7 	up-muslim (harappa) 	7
    8 	karnataka-brahmin (harappa) 	7.01
    9 	gujarati-b (hapmap) 	7.03
    10 	up-kshatriya (metspalu) 	7.11
    11 	vaish (reich) 	7.16
    12 	brahmin-tamil-nadu (metspalu) 	7.62
    13 	tn-brahmin (xing) 	7.85
    14 	gujarati (harappa) 	7.99
    15 	iyer-brahmin (harappa) 	8.54
    16 	rajasthani (harappa) 	8.57
    17 	punjabi (harappa) 	8.6
    18 	iyengar-brahmin (harappa) 	8.61
    19 	punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 	8.71
    20 	punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 	8.72
    
    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
    
    #	 	Primary Population (source) 	Secondary Population (source) 	Distance
    1	  	59.6%	pathan (hgdp) 	+ 	40.4%	chamar (metspalu) 	@ 	2.3
    2	  	64.6%	pathan (hgdp) 	+ 	35.4%	tn-dalit (xing) 	@ 	2.31
    3	  	79.1%	kashmiri-pandit (reich) 	+ 	20.9%	mala (reich) 	@ 	2.34
    4	  	65%	pathan (hgdp) 	+ 	35%	mala (reich) 	@ 	2.36
    5	  	78.8%	kashmiri-pandit (reich) 	+ 	21.2%	tn-dalit (xing) 	@ 	2.4
    6	  	90.1%	meghawal (reich) 	+ 	9.9%	balkar (yunusbayev) 	@ 	2.43
    7	  	89.6%	meghawal (reich) 	+ 	10.4%	chechen (yunusbayev) 	@ 	2.43
    8	  	89.2%	meghawal (reich) 	+ 	10.8%	kumyk (yunusbayev) 	@ 	2.44
    9	  	90.2%	meghawal (reich) 	+ 	9.8%	north-ossetian (yunusbayev) 	@ 	2.45
    10	  	62.6%	pathan (hgdp) 	+ 	37.4%	madiga (reich) 	@ 	2.45
    11	  	90.2%	meghawal (reich) 	+ 	9.8%	adygei (hgdp) 	@ 	2.45
    12	  	56.6%	srivastava (reich) 	+ 	43.4%	sindhi (harappa) 	@ 	2.48
    13	  	60.6%	pathan (hgdp) 	+ 	39.4%	bhil (reich) 	@ 	2.48
    14	  	75.8%	kashmiri-pandit (reich) 	+ 	24.2%	bhil (reich) 	@ 	2.49
    15	  	77.8%	kashmiri-pandit (reich) 	+ 	22.2%	hakkipikki (metspalu) 	@ 	2.49
    16	  	77.2%	kashmiri-pandit (reich) 	+ 	22.8%	ap-madiga (xing) 	@ 	2.52
    17	  	62.4%	pathan (hgdp) 	+ 	37.6%	ap-madiga (xing) 	@ 	2.54
    18	  	86.2%	iyengar-brahmin (harappa) 	+ 	13.8%	lezgin (behar) 	@ 	2.55
    19	  	76.2%	kashmiri-pandit (reich) 	+ 	23.8%	tamil-vishwakarma (harappa) 	@ 	2.55
    20	  	58.8%	pathan (hgdp) 	+ 	41.2%	kamsali (reich) 	@ 	2.55
    Considering he said khatri according to gedmatch, which mean he doesn't know anything about caste, baradari etc Likely no one told him.

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