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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronbee2010 View Post
    I believe Lollybolly is a Khoja (Muslim Lohana).
    And these folks are migrants to Gujarat starting from the 7th century. They moved from the Northern Indus region. He shows up number 3 on checkfit for me, somehow the Lohana and Khoja have maintained their genetics for about a millennium without taking any AASI from the local groups. I wonder if they mixed with Aroras from Multan as well, as that is closer to Gujarat. Point being it is like calling out a Saraswat Brahmin who has been unmixed in Southern India. Lollybolly is basically a SPGT type.

    Look at his checkfits. If I didn't know better I would think he is a Kamboj or Kohistani or Pashtun.

    1 Custom:AGUser_Lollybolly Khatri agentlime_AGUser Modern; 2.359
    2 Custom:AGUser_Lollybolly Kamboj KJ_05 Modern; 2.518
    3 Custom:AGUser_Lollybolly Kohistani K-291 Modern; 2.574
    4 Custom:AGUser_Lollybolly Kamboj KJ_12 Modern; 2.596
    5 Custom:AGUser_Lollybolly Kohistani K-162 Modern; 2.617
    6 Custom:AGUser_Lollybolly Kohistani K-208 Modern; 2.726
    7 Custom:AGUser_Lollybolly Custom AGUser_KhanaUncle 2.801
    8 Custom:AGUser_Lollybolly Pashtun HGDP00228 Modern; 2.835
    9 Custom:AGUser_Lollybolly Khatri K-3 Modern; 2.92
    10 Custom:AGUser_Lollybolly Khatri K-86 Modern; 2.938

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    Gujarat is a melting point with very ASI shifted populations like Patels and very Gedrosian shifted populations like Lohana.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agent_lime View Post
    And these folks are migrants to Gujarat starting from the 7th century. They moved from the Northern Indus region. He shows up number 3 on checkfit for me, somehow the Lohana and Khoja have maintained their genetics for about a millennium without taking any AASI from the local groups. I wonder if they mixed with Aroras from Multan as well, as that is closer to Gujarat. Point being it is like calling out a Saraswat Brahmin who has been unmixed in Southern India. Lollybolly is basically a SPGT type...
    The Lohanas are mentioned pre-Arab period south of Multan in the Chachnama. And as per the language of the text they were not recent arrivals in Mansura.
    There was a Lohana river west of Thatta.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    The Lohanas are mentioned pre-Arab period south of Multan in the Chachnama. And as per the language of the text they were not recent arrivals in Mansura.
    There was a Lohana river west of Thatta.
    Probably from Lohana folk lore. A lot of it is inaccurate but still interesting to look at.


    The Lohanas trace their roots in history right up to the advents of Aryas (Aryans) in the Indian sub-continent (which then included today's Afghanistan), making theirs the probably the oldest surviving community in the world. According to Puranic (ancient Indian texts of lore and legends) sources the Aryan civilization was established by king Ishaku (Ikshvaku) some two or three millennia before Christ (BC). His 63rd descendant was the great king Raghu, a great conqueror, who established the Rahguvansh Dynasty.

    Lohanas' history begins with king Raghu, who belonged to the Suryavanshi lineage, so called because they worshiped the Sun (Surya). Raghu's grandson was king Dashratha of Ayodhya, who had four sons with Rama being the oldest and the other three being Laxmana, Bharat and Shatrughna. Rama is the hero of Ramayana.


    Around 580 BC., when king Bimbisara ruled over Bharat (India), the society came to be divided into different communities based on their occupation. One of their communities was called Kshatriyas and King Luv's descendants were classed with them and came to be known as Luvanam, which was also referred to as Luvana. The Luvanas from Loharghat became known as Loharana (masters of swords), which later became Lohana.

    Chinese traveller Fa-hien, who visited India between 414 and 399 B.C., calls Lohanas a brave community ruling the northwest territory of India, [1] in his diary. Another Chinese traveler, Kurmang who came in the eleventh century A.D. speaks of a Lohana kingdom as a mighty power. Historian Burton writes Lohanas were brave people and says they were spread over today's Baluchistan (Pakistan), Afghanistan and eastern fringes of Central Asia. Col. Todd, who delved into history of Rajasthan, describes Lohanas as the oldest Kshatriya community.

    From Fa-hien downward all pay tribute to the Lohanas as brave. A possible reason for the bravery is that they had placed themselves for centuries in the direct path of invaders from northwest like Persians, Macedonians, Huns, Mughals, etc.
    http://www.jaijaliyaan.com/history.php

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    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 41.81
    2 S-Indian 30.81
    3 Caucasian 12.49
    4 NE-Euro 8.69
    5 SW-Asian 3.01
    6 American 1.1
    7 NE-Asian 0.85
    8 Beringian 0.48
    9 W-African 0.39
    10 SE-Asian 0.27
    11 E-African 0.1

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 4.11
    2 punjabi (harappa) 4.13
    3 punjabi-arain (xing) 4.3
    4 sindhi (harappa) 4.58
    5 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 4.72
    6 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 4.74
    7 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 4.74
    8 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 4.76
    9 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 4.77
    10 kashmiri (harappa) 5.66
    11 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 5.86
    12 sindhi (hgdp) 5.88
    13 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 5.94
    14 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 6.93
    15 bhatia (harappa) 7.21
    16 pathan (hgdp) 8.09
    17 up-muslim (harappa) 8.69
    18 nepalese-a (xing) 9.94
    19 burusho (hgdp) 10.2
    20 kalash (hgdp) 10.76

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 71.2% bhatia (harappa) + 28.8% cochin-jew (behar) @ 1.95
    2 51% sindhi (harappa) + 49% kashmiri-pahari (harappa) @ 2.1
    3 85.5% sindhi (harappa) + 14.5% gujarati-a (1000genomes) @ 2.12
    4 75.4% pathan (hgdp) + 24.6% gujarati-a (1000genomes) @ 2.13
    5 69.8% pathan (hgdp) + 30.2% kerala-nair (harappa) @ 2.15
    6 86.4% sindhi (harappa) + 13.6% gujarati-patel (harappa) @ 2.16
    7 78% sindhi (harappa) + 22% gujarati-b (hapmap) @ 2.17
    8 85% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 15% makrani (hgdp) @ 2.22
    9 81.9% sindhi (harappa) + 18.1% kerala-nair (harappa) @ 2.25
    10 53.3% punjabi-arain (xing) + 46.7% punjabi-khatri (harappa) @ 2.26
    11 51.2% sindhi (harappa) + 48.8% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) @ 2.28
    12 76.7% pathan (hgdp) + 23.3% gujarati-patel (harappa) @ 2.29
    13 80.3% sindhi (harappa) + 19.7% gujarati (harappa) @ 2.31
    14 81.5% sindhi (harappa) + 18.5% iyer-brahmin (harappa) @ 2.32
    15 80.6% sindhi (harappa) + 19.4% brahmin-tamil-nadu (metspalu) @ 2.33
    16 80.9% sindhi (harappa) + 19.1% tn-brahmin (xing) @ 2.34
    17 77.2% pathan (hgdp) + 22.8% velama (metspalu) @ 2.36
    18 87% sindhi (harappa) + 13% velama (metspalu) @ 2.38
    19 75.7% pathan (hgdp) + 24.3% ap-reddy (harappa) @ 2.39
    20 89.9% bhatia (harappa) + 10.1% irula (xing)
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    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 39.44
    2 S-Indian 28.14
    3 Caucasian 17.56
    4 NE-Euro 9.52
    5 American 2.54
    6 SW-Asian 2.33
    7 Siberian 0.26
    8 Papuan 0.12
    9 W-African 0.06
    10 Pygmy 0.03

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 3.76
    2 sindhi (harappa) 4.85
    3 kashmiri (harappa) 5.26
    4 pathan (hgdp) 6.08
    5 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 6.86
    6 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 6.9
    7 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 7.81
    8 kalash (hgdp) 7.86
    9 punjabi (harappa) 8.04
    10 bhatia (harappa) 8.29
    11 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 8.44
    12 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 8.69
    13 punjabi-arain (xing) 9.09
    14 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 9.46
    15 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 9.68



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    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 38.29
    2 S-Indian 28.15
    3 Caucasian 16.98
    4 NE-Euro 9.45
    5 SW-Asian 2.65
    6 American 0.97
    7 NE-Asian 0.87
    8 Papuan 0.84
    9 SE-Asian 0.75
    10 Beringian 0.66
    11 Pygmy 0.19
    12 Mediterranean 0.18
    13 Siberian 0.02

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 3.26
    2 kashmiri (harappa) 4.18
    3 sindhi (harappa) 4.33
    4 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 5.68
    5 pathan (hgdp) 6.13
    6 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 6.39
    7 punjabi (harappa) 7.25
    8 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 7.34
    9 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 7.35
    10 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 8.4
    11 kalash (hgdp) 8.44
    12 bhatia (harappa) 8.89
    13 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 8.98
    14 punjabi-arain (xing) 9.13
    15 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 9.25
    16 up-muslim (harappa) 9.59
    17 burusho (hgdp) 10
    18 pashtun (harappa) 10.11
    19 sindhi (hgdp) 10.38
    20 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 10.41

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    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 40.63
    2 S-Indian 27.6
    3 Caucasian 16.52
    4 NE-Euro 9.55
    5 Mediterranean 1.96
    6 Siberian 1.83
    7 American 0.94
    8 Beringian 0.93
    9 Papuan 0.04

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 4.25
    2 sindhi (harappa) 4.67
    3 pathan (hgdp) 5.12
    4 kashmiri (harappa) 5.44
    5 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 6.14
    6 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 6.57
    7 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 6.63
    8 kalash (hgdp) 6.65
    9 bhatia (harappa) 7.28
    10 punjabi (harappa) 7.74
    11 punjabi-arain (xing) 7.92
    12 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 8.01
    13 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 8.74
    14 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 8.87
    15 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 9.13
    16 sindhi (hgdp) 9.2
    17 burusho (hgdp) 9.47
    18 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 9.59
    19 haryana-jatt (harappa) 10.5
    20 up-muslim (harappa) 10.8


    Arora-

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 40.7
    2 S-Indian 28.53
    3 Caucasian 17.3
    4 NE-Euro 7.86
    5 Beringian 2.19
    6 SW-Asian 1.17
    7 Mediterranean 1.17
    8 Siberian 0.52
    9 SE-Asian 0.31
    10 American 0.26

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 4.66
    2 sindhi (harappa) 4.91
    3 kashmiri (harappa) 5.69
    4 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 6.09
    5 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 6.31
    6 pathan (hgdp) 6.51
    7 punjabi (harappa) 7.51
    8 kalash (hgdp) 7.65
    9 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 7.98
    10 punjabi-arain (xing) 7.99
    11 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 8.01
    12 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 8.25
    13 bhatia (harappa) 8.48
    14 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 8.72
    15 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 8.91
    16 sindhi (hgdp) 8.98
    17 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 9.83
    18 burusho (hgdp) 10.58
    19 up-muslim (harappa) 10.69
    20 pashtun (harappa) 11.9

    Arora-

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 39.51
    2 S-Indian 27.87
    3 Caucasian 15.53
    4 NE-Euro 10.62
    5 SW-Asian 2.44
    6 American 2.17
    7 Siberian 1.13
    8 Beringian 0.4
    9 Papuan 0.23
    10 Mediterranean 0.1

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 2.23
    2 sindhi (harappa) 3.49
    3 kashmiri (harappa) 4.71
    4 pathan (hgdp) 5.07
    5 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 5.7
    6 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 5.78
    7 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 5.85
    8 punjabi (harappa) 6.92
    9 bhatia (harappa) 7.1
    10 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 7.48
    11 kalash (hgdp) 7.72
    12 punjabi-arain (xing) 8.1
    13 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 8.22
    14 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 8.38
    15 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 8.75
    16 sindhi (hgdp) 9.42
    17 burusho (hgdp) 9.49
    18 haryana-jatt (harappa) 9.54
    19 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 9.54
    20 up-muslim (harappa) 9.91
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    Is the Sindh reference pop on Harappa Hindu Sindhis? they seem to in a similar 'SPGT cluster' with Khatris and Aroras

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmoney View Post
    Is the Sindh reference pop on Harappa Hindu Sindhis? they seem to in a similar 'SPGT cluster' with Khatris and Aroras
    They are probably urban. Also probably Hindu, however there are Muslim kits too that didn't mix much or are recent converts. Hard to say without individually looking at each.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmoney View Post
    Is the Sindh reference pop on Harappa Hindu Sindhis? they seem to in a similar 'SPGT cluster' with Khatris and Aroras
    The core Sindhi population is different from the HGDP samples who are mostly Hindu Sindhis ie much less Steppe / more Iran_N related ancestry


    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 47
    2 S-Indian 23.84
    3 Caucasian 13.23
    4 NE-Euro 5.62
    5 SW-Asian 4.91
    6 W-African 2.47
    7 Beringian 1.18
    8 NE-Asian 1.1
    9 American 0.38
    10 SE-Asian 0.27

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 sindhi (hgdp) 6.38
    2 bhatia (harappa) 6.93
    3 sindhi (harappa) 7.75
    4 pathan (hgdp) 8.52
    5 punjabi-arain (xing) 8.81
    6 kalash (hgdp) 9.43



    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 45.22
    2 S-Indian 23
    3 Caucasian 17.57
    4 SW-Asian 5.69
    5 NE-Euro 3.48
    6 Siberian 1.41
    7 Mediterranean 1.04
    8 American 0.9
    9 Papuan 0.59
    10 Pygmy 0.51
    11 Beringian 0.42
    12 W-African 0.17

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 sindhi (harappa) 8.45
    2 pathan (hgdp) 8.8
    3 kalash (hgdp) 8.84
    4 bhatia (harappa) 9.51
    5 sindhi (hgdp) 9.71
    6 punjabi-arain (xing) 11.11
    7 punjabi-khatri (harappa)
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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    The core Sindhi population is different from the HGDP samples who are mostly Hindu Sindhis ie much less Steppe / more Iran_N related ancestry


    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 47
    2 S-Indian 23.84
    3 Caucasian 13.23
    4 NE-Euro 5.62
    5 SW-Asian 4.91
    6 W-African 2.47
    7 Beringian 1.18
    8 NE-Asian 1.1
    9 American 0.38
    10 SE-Asian 0.27

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 sindhi (hgdp) 6.38
    2 bhatia (harappa) 6.93
    3 sindhi (harappa) 7.75
    4 pathan (hgdp) 8.52
    5 punjabi-arain (xing) 8.81
    6 kalash (hgdp) 9.43



    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 45.22
    2 S-Indian 23
    3 Caucasian 17.57
    4 SW-Asian 5.69
    5 NE-Euro 3.48
    6 Siberian 1.41
    7 Mediterranean 1.04
    8 American 0.9
    9 Papuan 0.59
    10 Pygmy 0.51
    11 Beringian 0.42
    12 W-African 0.17

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 sindhi (harappa) 8.45
    2 pathan (hgdp) 8.8
    3 kalash (hgdp) 8.84
    4 bhatia (harappa) 9.51
    5 sindhi (hgdp) 9.71
    6 punjabi-arain (xing) 11.11
    7 punjabi-khatri (harappa)
    This is similar'ish to the Bhatias, they are like Iran_N shifted SPGT types. What happened to the kits Khana posted with elevated Baloch? Can someone post them again?

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