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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulin View Post
    Mostly just regular Bengali. Dad's from a village near Tripura and allegedly might be a descendant of Isa Khan. Mom's family is from Chittagong in the far Southeast coast and recorded surnames indicate Kayastha/Brahmin ancestry.
    Is the NW shift coming from your dads side or your moms in your estimation?

    I just read about Isa Khan. Seems pretty fascinating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 26284729292 View Post
    Is the NW shift coming from your dads side or your moms in your estimation?

    I just read about Isa Khan. Seems pretty fascinating.
    I would think its from my mom's side. I'm guessing my maternal grandmother especially could be more Northern shifted. I plan to get them tested when they visit next year lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Censored View Post
    So just so we're clear, when we get SE Asian on Harappa, in most cases is it just an Onge-like signal as opposed to real SE Asian ancestry? It makes sense because Onge types played a big role in the ethnogenesis of SE-Asians, and the minor SE-Asian is kind of reflecting that Onge component in SE Asians?? Of course this doesnt apply to Bengalis, AA speakers, or anyone with actual SE Asian ancestry.
    Is it supposed to be an Onge-like signal? I was looking at the HarrapaWorld admix spreadsheet in gedmatch -- the highest SE Asian is found in Iban (87%) followed by Dai and Cambodians (both 70%). They don't look very Onge to me. It appears to be a distinct East Asian component (early AA?) that peaks in certain SE Asian groups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thejkhan View Post
    Is it supposed to be an Onge-like signal? I was looking at the HarrapaWorld admix spreadsheet in gedmatch -- the highest SE Asian is found in Iban (87%) followed by Dai and Cambodians (both 70%). They don't look very Onge to me. It appears to be a distinct East Asian component (early AA?) that peaks in certain SE Asian groups.
    The way gedmatch creates components out of modern populations is complex. For example, the South Indian category is mostly AASI but also carries some neolithic farmer type admixture. The Caucasian carries both steppe and CHG. And I think we can assume that in the SE Asian component there's some Hoabinhian/Onge like admixture along with more of a northern East Asian component which makes up modern SE Asians. Unless someone comes up with a better theory, because DMXX's model proved there was no AA ancestry in S. Asians aside from a few peripheral groups.

    "sample": "Cambodian:Average",
    "fit": 8.551,
    "Han": 75.83,
    "LAO_Hoabinhian": 24.17,

    And keeping in mind central/south indians usually score on average only 2-3% max it makes sense.
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    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 40.17
    2 S-Indian 30.86
    3 Caucasian 12.55
    4 NE-Euro 10.33
    5 American 2.2
    6 SE-Asian 1.81
    7 Mediterranean 1.42
    8 Beringian 0.66

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 3.36
    2 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 4.03
    3 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 4.15
    4 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 4.66
    5 punjabi (harappa) 4.68
    6 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 4.91
    7 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 4.96
    8 kashmiri (harappa) 5.16
    9 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 5.57
    10 punjabi-arain (xing) 5.85
    11 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 6.05
    12 sindhi (harappa) 6.33
    13 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 7.82
    14 up-muslim (harappa) 7.9
    15 bhatia (harappa) 8.06
    16 sindhi (hgdp) 8.25
    17 pathan (hgdp) 8.3
    18 nepalese-a (xing) 9.03
    19 haryana-jatt (harappa) 9.11
    20 burusho (hgdp) 10.52

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 55.3% kalash (hgdp) + 44.7% brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) @ 2.56
    2 91.8% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 8.2% lezgin (behar) @ 2.57
    3 77.2% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 22.8% kalash (hgdp) @ 2.6
    4 91.6% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 8.4% urkarah (xing) @ 2.62
    5 72.1% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 27.9% pathan (hgdp) @ 2.64
    6 54.5% punjabi-khatri (harappa) + 45.5% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) @ 2.64
    7 59.3% kalash (hgdp) + 40.7% vaish (reich) @ 2.64
    8 92.6% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 7.4% chechen (yunusbayev) @ 2.66
    9 93.5% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 6.5% lezgin (behar) @ 2.66
    10 51.3% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 48.7% punjabi-khatri (harappa) @ 2.68
    11 59.6% kalash (hgdp) + 40.4% up-kshatriya (metspalu) @ 2.69
    12 93.3% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 6.7% stalskoe (xing) @ 2.69
    13 91.6% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 8.4% stalskoe (xing) @ 2.7
    14 93.4% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 6.6% urkarah (xing) @ 2.71
    15 63.3% punjabi-khatri (harappa) + 36.7% punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) @ 2.72

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    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 37.54
    2 S-Indian 31.57
    3 Caucasian 14.37
    4 NE-Euro 12.81
    5 Beringian 2.46
    6 Papuan 0.65
    7 American 0.55
    8 NE-Asian 0.04

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 4.07
    2 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 4.92
    3 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 5.54
    4 kashmiri (harappa) 5.57
    5 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 5.63
    6 punjabi (harappa) 6.17
    7 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 6.44
    8 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 6.84
    9 sindhi (harappa) 7.51
    10 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 7.98
    11 up-muslim (harappa) 8.16
    12 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 8.46
    13 haryana-jatt (harappa) 8.62
    14 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 8.85
    15 pathan (hgdp) 9.27
    16 punjabi-arain (xing) 9.55
    17 nepalese-a (xing) 9.61
    18 bhatia (harappa) 10.63
    19 up-brahmin (harappa) 10.64
    20 kalash (hgdp) 11.43

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 90.5% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 9.5% chechen (yunusbayev) @ 2.74
    2 89.4% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 10.6% urkarah (xing) @ 2.78
    3 80.3% up-brahmin (harappa) + 19.7% lezgin (behar) @ 2.83
    4 91.4% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 8.6% adygei (hgdp) @ 2.85
    5 91.3% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 8.7% balkar (yunusbayev) @ 2.89
    6 89.9% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 10.1% lezgin (behar) @ 2.94
    7 91.5% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 8.5% north-ossetian (yunusbayev) @ 2.95
    8 72.7% gujarati-b (hapmap) + 27.3% urkarah (xing) @ 2.96
    9 89.6% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 10.4% stalskoe (xing) @ 3.01
    10 90.5% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 9.5% kumyk (yunusbayev) @ 3.09
    11 79.9% up-brahmin (harappa) + 20.1% urkarah (xing) @ 3.13
    12 80.2% punjabi-khatri (harappa) + 19.8% up-brahmin (harappa) @ 3.21
    13 92.9% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 7.1% abhkasian (yunusbayev) @ 3.23
    14 83.9% punjabi-khatri (harappa) + 16.1% brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) @ 3.25
    15 93.3% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 6.7% georgian (behar) @ 3.29

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    A general question - the v5 to v3 conversion that people are doing through dna.land .. what impact does it have on the scores in general? And how reliable is it to have snp positions imputed like that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reza View Post
    A general question - the v5 to v3 conversion that people are doing through dna.land .. what impact does it have on the scores in general? And how reliable is it to have snp positions imputed like that?
    i noticed some difference its worth it i would say - V5 shows lesser SNP's and v3 shows arouns 170-180snp youll notice it at the bottom of the page - i remember someone telling me on here and i noticed it too the difference.
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    V5:
    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 42.42
    2 S-Indian 33.44
    3 Caucasian 11.73
    4 NE-Euro 9.68
    5 Mediterranean 0.89
    6 American 0.74
    7 Siberian 0.55
    8 SE-Asian 0.3
    9 SW-Asian 0.25

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 2.89
    2 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 3.15
    3 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 3.45
    4 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 3.65
    5 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 3.77
    6 punjabi (harappa) 4.44
    7 punjabi-arain (xing) 4.52
    8 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 6.15
    9 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 6.56
    10 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 6.66
    11 kashmiri (harappa) 7.11
    12 sindhi (hgdp) 7.16
    13 sindhi (harappa) 7.56
    14 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 8.44
    15 up-muslim (harappa) 8.65
    16 nepalese-a (xing) 8.72
    17 bhatia (harappa) 8.88
    18 up-brahmin (harappa) 9.32
    19 pathan (hgdp) 10.31
    20 haryana-jatt (harappa) 11.28

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 50.9% gujarati-b (hapmap) + 49.1% kalash (hgdp) @ 1.89
    2 68.1% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 31.9% punjabi-arain (xing) @ 2.23
    3 79.6% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 20.4% sindhi (hgdp) @ 2.31
    4 94.4% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 5.6% brahui (hgdp) @ 2.43
    5 93.7% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 6.3% balochi (hgdp) @ 2.44
    6 69.1% pathan (hgdp) + 30.9% gujarati-a (hapmap) @ 2.47
    7 85.3% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 14.7% bhatia (harappa) @ 2.49
    8 94.8% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 5.2% makrani (hgdp) @ 2.5
    9 78.4% bhatia (harappa) + 21.6% hallaki (reich) @ 2.51
    10 53.2% kalash (hgdp) + 46.8% gujarati (harappa) @ 2.53
    11 83.2% bhatia (harappa) + 16.8% tn-dalit (xing) @ 2.53
    12 54.2% pathan (hgdp) + 45.8% gujarati-b (hapmap) @ 2.56
    13 87.2% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 12.8% kalash (hgdp) @ 2.59
    14 62.8% bhatia (harappa) + 37.2% brahmin-tamil-nadu (metspalu) @ 2.59
    15 83.5% bhatia (harappa) + 16.5% mala (reich) @ 2.6
    16 81.8% punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) + 18.2% kalash (hgdp) @ 2.6
    17 81.2% bhatia (harappa) + 18.8% sakilli (chaubey) @ 2.6
    18 52.4% kalash (hgdp) + 47.6% up-kshatriya (metspalu) @ 2.61
    19 79.1% bhatia (harappa) + 20.9% vysya (reich) @ 2.61
    20 77.4% bhatia (harappa) + 22.6% kurumba (metspalu) @ 2.61


    v3:

    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 41.97
    2 S-Indian 31.91
    3 Caucasian 11.85
    4 NE-Euro 9.41
    5 SW-Asian 1.84
    6 American 1.44
    7 Siberian 1
    8 W-African 0.25
    9 Papuan 0.16
    10 San 0.11
    11 Beringian 0.07

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 3.37
    2 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 3.52
    3 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 3.79
    4 punjabi (harappa) 3.81
    5 punjabi-arain (xing) 4.11
    6 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 4.13
    7 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 4.72
    8 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 5.08
    9 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 5.21
    10 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 5.65
    11 sindhi (harappa) 5.74
    12 kashmiri (harappa) 6.15
    13 sindhi (hgdp) 6.38
    14 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 7.65
    15 bhatia (harappa) 7.67
    16 up-muslim (harappa) 8.46
    17 pathan (hgdp) 8.91
    18 nepalese-a (xing) 9.02
    19 up-brahmin (harappa) 10.34
    20 haryana-jatt (harappa) 10.8

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 84.7% bhatia (harappa) + 15.3% hakkipikki (metspalu) @ 1.7
    2 85.5% bhatia (harappa) + 14.5% mala (reich) @ 1.71
    3 84.7% bhatia (harappa) + 15.3% north-kannadi (chaubey) @ 1.71
    4 85.3% bhatia (harappa) + 14.7% tn-dalit (xing) @ 1.72
    5 74.6% bhatia (harappa) + 25.4% ap-hyderabad (harappa) @ 1.77
    6 85% bhatia (harappa) + 15% kurumba (reich) @ 1.77
    7 73% pathan (hgdp) + 27% gujarati-a (hapmap) @ 1.8
    8 83.8% bhatia (harappa) + 16.2% tamil-vishwakarma (harappa) @ 1.83
    9 85.4% bhatia (harappa) + 14.6% ap-mala (xing) @ 1.86
    10 72.6% pathan (hgdp) + 27.4% gujarati-a (1000genomes) @ 1.88
    11 81.1% bhatia (harappa) + 18.9% hallaki (reich) @ 1.88
    12 83.5% bhatia (harappa) + 16.5% sakilli (chaubey) @ 1.88
    13 84.4% bhatia (harappa) + 15.6% ap-madiga (xing) @ 1.92
    14 89% bhatia (harappa) + 11% irula (xing) @ 1.93
    15 84.5% bhatia (harappa) + 15.5% madiga (reich) @ 1.95
    16 83.7% bhatia (harappa) + 16.3% bhil (reich) @ 1.97
    17 81.2% bhatia (harappa) + 18.8% piramalai-kallar (metspalu) @ 1.97
    18 71.4% bhatia (harappa) + 28.6% kerala-christian (harappa) @ 1.98
    19 80.3% bhatia (harappa) + 19.7% kurumba (metspalu) @ 1.99
    20 75.8% bhatia (harappa) + 24.2% tamil (harappa) @ 2.01


    SISTER2:

    V5:

    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 41.03
    2 S-Indian 32.55
    3 Caucasian 10.57
    4 NE-Euro 10.37
    5 Mediterranean 2.36
    6 Siberian 1.38
    7 SE-Asian 0.83
    8 SW-Asian 0.55
    9 W-African 0.22
    10 American 0.14

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 2.65
    2 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 2.82
    3 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 3.18
    4 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 3.6
    5 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 3.66
    6 punjabi (harappa) 4.03
    7 punjabi-arain (xing) 4.86
    8 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 5.21
    9 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 5.61
    10 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 6.36
    11 kashmiri (harappa) 6.75
    12 nepalese-a (xing) 7.36
    13 sindhi (harappa) 7.4
    14 sindhi (hgdp) 7.53
    15 up-muslim (harappa) 7.59
    16 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 8.21
    17 up-brahmin (harappa) 8.68
    18 bhatia (harappa) 9.03
    19 haryana-jatt (harappa) 9.68
    20 pathan (hgdp) 9.96

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 94% punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) + 6% urkarah (xing) @ 1.43
    2 94.3% punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) + 5.7% lezgin (behar) @ 1.54
    3 94.1% punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) + 5.9% stalskoe (xing) @ 1.6
    4 94.8% punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) + 5.2% chechen (yunusbayev) @ 1.62
    5 95.4% punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) + 4.6% adygei (hgdp) @ 1.79
    6 94.8% punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) + 5.2% kumyk (yunusbayev) @ 1.8
    7 95.4% punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) + 4.6% balkar (yunusbayev) @ 1.84
    8 95.5% punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) + 4.5% north-ossetian (yunusbayev) @ 1.88
    9 79.2% punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) + 20.8% pathan (hgdp) @ 1.88
    10 70.8% punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) + 29.2% punjabi-khatri (harappa) @ 1.97
    11 96.3% punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) + 3.7% abhkasian (yunusbayev) @ 2.03
    12 83.8% punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) + 16.2% kalash (hgdp) @ 2.05
    13 96.4% punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) + 3.6% georgian (behar) @ 2.07
    14 66.5% punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) + 33.5% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) @ 2.09
    15 55.4% pathan (hgdp) + 44.6% gujarati-b (hapmap) @ 2.09
    16 95.4% punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) + 4.6% turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) @ 2.1
    17 95.9% punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) + 4.1% bulgarian (yunusbayev) @ 2.11
    18 87.5% punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) + 12.5% pashtun (harappa) @ 2.13
    19 95.2% punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) + 4.8% azeri (harappa) @ 2.13
    20 92.3% punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) + 7.7% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 2.14

    v3:

    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 39.82
    2 S-Indian 31.59
    3 Caucasian 10.74
    4 NE-Euro 10.05
    5 SW-Asian 3.19
    6 American 1.25
    7 Siberian 1.23
    8 Mediterranean 1.07
    9 W-African 0.35
    10 San 0.32
    11 SE-Asian 0.16
    12 Papuan 0.16
    13 NE-Asian 0.07

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 punjabi (harappa) 3.07
    2 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 3.61
    3 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 3.62
    4 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 3.63
    5 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 4.33
    6 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 4.5
    7 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 4.54
    8 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 4.75
    9 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 4.93
    10 punjabi-arain (xing) 5.26
    11 kashmiri (harappa) 5.64
    12 sindhi (harappa) 5.82
    13 up-muslim (harappa) 6.77
    14 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 6.78
    15 sindhi (hgdp) 7.48
    16 nepalese-a (xing) 7.79
    17 bhatia (harappa) 8.63
    18 pathan (hgdp) 9.12
    19 haryana-jatt (harappa) 9.45
    20 up-brahmin (harappa) 9.48

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 68.2% sindhi (harappa) + 31.8% brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) @ 1.77
    2 71.6% sindhi (harappa) + 28.4% vaish (reich) @ 1.88
    3 95.3% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 4.7% qatari (henn2012) @ 1.99
    4 66.4% pathan (hgdp) + 33.6% ap-brahmin (xing) @ 1.99
    5 72.3% sindhi (harappa) + 27.7% up-kshatriya (metspalu) @ 2.02
    6 62.9% sindhi (harappa) + 37.1% up-brahmin (harappa) @ 2.03
    7 65% pathan (hgdp) + 35% iyengar-brahmin (harappa) @ 2.04
    8 95.7% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 4.3% bedouin (hgdp) @ 2.05
    9 95.8% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 4.2% saudi (behar) @ 2.05
    10 61.6% pathan (hgdp) + 38.4% meghawal (reich) @ 2.11
    11 95.9% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 4.1% yemen-jew (behar) @ 2.13
    12 71.6% pathan (hgdp) + 28.4% dharkar (metspalu) @ 2.14
    13 61.6% pathan (hgdp) + 38.4% up-kshatriya (metspalu) @ 2.14
    14 61% pathan (hgdp) + 39% vaish (reich) @ 2.14
    15 95.9% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 4.1% saudi (behar) @ 2.15
    16 62.9% pathan (hgdp) + 37.1% karnataka-brahmin (harappa) @ 2.15
    17 94.6% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 5.4% palestinian (harappa) @ 2.17
    18 59.4% pathan (hgdp) + 40.6% gujarati-b (hapmap) @ 2.18
    19 94.9% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 5.1% yemenese (behar) @ 2.18
    20 93.9% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 6.1% iraqi-arab (harappa) @ 2.2

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