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    Quote Originally Posted by tipirneni View Post
    There are like a family of them. Might be mixed kit. Who else uses Maan/Mann ? Another member in the group gets mix of Jatt+Kshatriya as the match. Maybe they are mixed Mann Jatts.


    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 S-Indian 38.67
    2 Baloch 37.81
    3 NE-Euro 9.35
    4 Caucasian 6.72
    5 Siberian 2.48
    6 Mediterranean 2.27
    7 American 0.96
    8 Papuan 0.83
    9 SW-Asian 0.69
    10 San 0.22

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 up-brahmin (harappa) 3.46
    2 brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) 5.02
    3 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 5.59
    4 gujarati-b (hapmap) 6.24
    5 bengali-brahmin (harappa) 6.24
    6 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 6.35
    7 vaish (reich) 6.54
    8 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 6.63
    9 nepalese-a (xing) 6.7
    10 up-kshatriya (metspalu) 6.7
    11 up-muslim (harappa) 6.77
    12 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 6.81
    13 bihari-muslim (harappa) 6.87
    14 punjabi (harappa) 7.18
    15 meghawal (reich) 7.35
    16 karnataka-brahmin (harappa) 8.01
    17 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 8.04
    18 gujarati (harappa) 8.05
    19 maharashtrian (harappa) 8.2
    20 tn-brahmin (xing) 8.92

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 62.4% up-kshatriya (metspalu) + 37.6% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) @ 1.64
    2 72% up-kshatriya (metspalu) + 28% pathan (hgdp) @ 1.8
    3 54.4% punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) + 45.6% vaish (reich) @ 1.88
    4 58% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) + 42% dharkar (metspalu) @ 1.96
    5 65.7% meghawal (reich) + 34.3% haryana-jatt (harappa) @ 2
    6 61% tn-brahmin (xing) + 39% haryana-jatt (harappa) @ 2.04
    7 51.2% ap-brahmin (xing) + 48.8% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) @ 2.05
    8 67.6% up-kshatriya (metspalu) + 32.4% sindhi (harappa) @ 2.06
    9 60.3% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) + 39.7% kanjar (metspalu) @ 2.07
    10 70.7% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) + 29.3% vysya (reich) @ 2.08
    11 71.4% punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) + 28.6% srivastava (reich) @ 2.11
    12 66.1% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) + 33.9% lodi (reich) @ 2.12
    13 53.2% brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) + 46.8% punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) @ 2.13
    14 65.7% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) + 34.3% up-scheduled-caste (metspalu) @ 2.15
    15 60.3% meghawal (reich) + 39.7% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) @ 2.16
    16 75.4% up-kshatriya (metspalu) + 24.6% kalash (hgdp) @ 2.17
    17 58% karnataka-brahmin (harappa) + 42% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) @ 2.17
    18 75.9% vaish (reich) + 24.1% kalash (hgdp) @ 2.17
    19 53.2% punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) + 46.8% bengali-brahmin (harappa) @ 2.19
    20 59.4% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) + 40.6% tharu (metspalu) @ 2.21
    These look like are mixed kits. Some castes like Chamar and Bhangi have adopted the surnames of Jatts they work for. For example Chamar from my place use Sandhu and Bhatti surnames and Bhangi(churha) use Bains surname.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tipirneni View Post
    There are like a family of them. Might be mixed kit. Who else uses Maan/Mann ? Another member in the group gets mix of Jatt+Kshatriya as the match. Maybe they are mixed Mann Jatts.


    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 S-Indian 38.67
    2 Baloch 37.81
    3 NE-Euro 9.35
    4 Caucasian 6.72
    5 Siberian 2.48
    6 Mediterranean 2.27
    7 American 0.96
    8 Papuan 0.83
    9 SW-Asian 0.69
    10 San 0.22

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 up-brahmin (harappa) 3.46
    2 brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) 5.02
    3 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 5.59
    4 gujarati-b (hapmap) 6.24
    5 bengali-brahmin (harappa) 6.24
    6 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 6.35
    7 vaish (reich) 6.54
    8 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 6.63
    9 nepalese-a (xing) 6.7
    10 up-kshatriya (metspalu) 6.7
    11 up-muslim (harappa) 6.77
    12 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 6.81
    13 bihari-muslim (harappa) 6.87
    14 punjabi (harappa) 7.18
    15 meghawal (reich) 7.35
    16 karnataka-brahmin (harappa) 8.01
    17 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 8.04
    18 gujarati (harappa) 8.05
    19 maharashtrian (harappa) 8.2
    20 tn-brahmin (xing) 8.92

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 62.4% up-kshatriya (metspalu) + 37.6% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) @ 1.64
    2 72% up-kshatriya (metspalu) + 28% pathan (hgdp) @ 1.8
    3 54.4% punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) + 45.6% vaish (reich) @ 1.88
    4 58% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) + 42% dharkar (metspalu) @ 1.96
    5 65.7% meghawal (reich) + 34.3% haryana-jatt (harappa) @ 2
    6 61% tn-brahmin (xing) + 39% haryana-jatt (harappa) @ 2.04
    7 51.2% ap-brahmin (xing) + 48.8% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) @ 2.05
    8 67.6% up-kshatriya (metspalu) + 32.4% sindhi (harappa) @ 2.06
    9 60.3% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) + 39.7% kanjar (metspalu) @ 2.07
    10 70.7% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) + 29.3% vysya (reich) @ 2.08
    11 71.4% punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) + 28.6% srivastava (reich) @ 2.11
    12 66.1% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) + 33.9% lodi (reich) @ 2.12
    13 53.2% brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) + 46.8% punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) @ 2.13
    14 65.7% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) + 34.3% up-scheduled-caste (metspalu) @ 2.15
    15 60.3% meghawal (reich) + 39.7% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) @ 2.16
    16 75.4% up-kshatriya (metspalu) + 24.6% kalash (hgdp) @ 2.17
    17 58% karnataka-brahmin (harappa) + 42% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) @ 2.17
    18 75.9% vaish (reich) + 24.1% kalash (hgdp) @ 2.17
    19 53.2% punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) + 46.8% bengali-brahmin (harappa) @ 2.19
    20 59.4% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) + 40.6% tharu (metspalu) @ 2.21
    This family is mixed. The grandfather was pure Jatt, but rest of family is mixed with fijian Indians. Sapporo and I came across long time ago.

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    Does anyone know which groups in India have high Siberian on HarappaWorld? I have 3.37% Siberian on my harappa results. Other people from Kerala have little to no Siberian in their harappa, so I wonder where this Siberian is coming from. I have 1.13% NE asian as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tipirneni View Post
    Khatiwada might be nepal brahmin. This matches Mann/Maan and my kit and some Gujarat kits at 70-75% coverage on 0.1cm. Also matches the Motala 1 and 2 at 65%.

    Total CM: 2562.19 73%
    Largest segment cM: 6.68
    Total segments: 2573

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 S-Indian 35.22
    2 Baloch 33.37
    3 NE-Euro 16.54
    4 Caucasian 5.92
    5 NE-Asian 4.39
    6 E-African 1.29
    7 SE-Asian 1.25
    8 American 0.84
    9 Pygmy 0.47
    10 Siberian 0.32
    11 Papuan 0.22
    12 Mediterranean 0.18

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 nepalese-a (xing) 5.85
    2 up-brahmin (harappa) 8.36
    3 brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) 9.22
    4 bengali-brahmin (harappa) 9.46
    5 up-muslim (harappa) 9.87
    6 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 10.3
    7 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 10.32
    8 haryana-jatt (harappa) 10.67
    9 punjabi (harappa) 11.08
    10 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 11.4
    11 vaish (reich) 11.42
    12 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 11.42
    13 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 11.61
    14 bihari-muslim (harappa) 11.66
    15 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 11.81
    16 kashmiri (harappa) 12.27
    17 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 12.46
    18 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 12.9
    19 up-kshatriya (metspalu) 13.09
    20 gujarati-b (hapmap) 13.61

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 95.1% nepalese-a (xing) + 4.9% finnish (1000genomes) @ 4.48
    2 94.5% nepalese-a (xing) + 5.5% russian (behar) @ 4.63
    3 94.9% nepalese-a (xing) + 5.1% lithuanian (behar) @ 4.67
    4 94.6% nepalese-a (xing) + 5.4% belorussian (behar) @ 4.68
    5 94.5% nepalese-a (xing) + 5.5% ukranian (yunusbayev) @ 4.8
    6 94.5% nepalese-a (xing) + 5.5% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 4.83
    7 94.7% nepalese-a (xing) + 5.3% slovenian (xing) @ 4.98
    8 94.9% nepalese-a (xing) + 5.1% hungarian (behar) @ 5.07
    9 80.5% gujarati (harappa) + 19.5% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 5.13
    10 91.6% up-brahmin (harappa) + 8.4% finnish (1000genomes) @ 5.13
    11 95.4% nepalese-a (xing) + 4.6% n-european (xing) @ 5.15
    12 93.9% nepalese-a (xing) + 6.1% onge (reich) @ 5.16
    13 93.1% nepalese-a (xing) + 6.9% great-andamanese (reich) @ 5.2
    14 95.6% nepalese-a (xing) + 4.4% utahn-white (hapmap) @ 5.2
    15 95.2% nepalese-a (xing) + 4.8% chuvash (behar) @ 5.22
    16 95.1% nepalese-a (xing) + 4.9% kharia (chaubey) @ 5.22
    17 79.4% brahmin-tamil-nadu (metspalu) + 20.6% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 5.24
    18 89.7% up-brahmin (harappa) + 10.3% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 5.25
    19 90.2% up-brahmin (harappa) + 9.8% russian (hgdp) @ 5.26
    20 95.2% nepalese-a (xing) + 4.8% savara (chaubey) @ 5.26
    Yes, it's a Nepali Khas Brahmin (Purbiya/ Sinja valley descent). What does those matches infer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaazi View Post
    Yes, it's a Nepali Khas Brahmin (Purbiya/ Sinja valley descent). What does those matches infer?
    I don't know. but seems high on ancient Finn like gene
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1938helerich View Post
    Does anyone know which groups in India have high Siberian on HarappaWorld? I have 3.37% Siberian on my harappa results. Other people from Kerala have little to no Siberian in their harappa, so I wonder where this Siberian is coming from. I have 1.13% NE asian as well.
    Try MDLP k27 in yourdnaportal which gives more breakup of the Siberian. There are 4 kinds of siberian 1, Uralic 2, Altaic 3, Yeniseian 4, Paleosiberian apart from E Asia
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    mtDNA:U2a1a* extras->11368C 16093A 8860A (195T) (309.1C) (315.1C)

    G25 Ancients Dist 1.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2 88.4 MAR_Taforalt 2.6NPL_Mebrak 5
    VK2020_SWE_Gotland_VA 4 Hidden Content

    Lactose Persistence rs3213871 rs4988243 rs4988183 rs3769005 rs2236783
    found -> DA125, Kangju

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    Quote Originally Posted by tipirneni View Post
    Try MDLP k27 in yourdnaportal which gives more breakup of the Siberian. There are 4 kinds of siberian 1, Uralic 2, Altaic 3, Yeniseian 4, Paleosiberian apart from E Asia
    On MDLP k23, I have 2.84% Altaic and 1.67% Paleo Siberian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1938helerich View Post
    On MDLP k23, I have 2.84% Altaic and 1.67% Paleo Siberian.
    check the Gedrosia k12 make sure it is not Indo-tibetan. The ancient Ust-ishim like stuff found in parts of South India is weird. In case of Andhra Kamma kits score close to 4% Indo-tibetan and show up as Tungusc-Altaic and arctic etc.. in the K23. Your numbers look like regular MLBA but if you get any of those Tibetan or Tungus or Arctic then it is from different migration
    Y: H1a1a4b3b1a8 Yfull id-> YF83218
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    mtDNA:U2a1a* extras->11368C 16093A 8860A (195T) (309.1C) (315.1C)

    G25 Ancients Dist 1.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2 88.4 MAR_Taforalt 2.6NPL_Mebrak 5
    VK2020_SWE_Gotland_VA 4 Hidden Content

    Lactose Persistence rs3213871 rs4988243 rs4988183 rs3769005 rs2236783
    found -> DA125, Kangju

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    This kit says Kirti as lastname with Singh. probably Bihari thakur or a mixed kit. This also seems to share the Tibetan>4 so far found among Kamma, Gujarati Chaudhary, Nepalis etc...

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 S-Indian 46.1
    2 Baloch 33.63
    3 NE-Euro 7.56
    4 Caucasian 5.77
    5 SE-Asian 1.97
    6 SW-Asian 1.47
    7 American 1.46
    8 Papuan 0.99
    9 Mediterranean 0.57
    10 Siberian 0.25
    11 NE-Asian 0.15
    12 Beringian 0.07

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 karnataka-brahmin (harappa) 2.7
    2 maharashtrian (harappa) 3.44
    3 bihari-muslim (harappa) 3.75
    4 vaish (reich) 4.28
    5 meghawal (reich) 4.36
    6 up-kshatriya (metspalu) 4.37
    7 ap-brahmin (xing) 4.41
    8 iyengar-brahmin (harappa) 4.64
    9 iyer-brahmin (harappa) 4.8
    10 rajasthani (harappa) 4.8
    11 tn-brahmin (xing) 5.04
    12 bihari (harappa) 5.1
    13 gujarati (harappa) 5.16
    14 bengali-brahmin (harappa) 5.16
    15 up (harappa) 5.17
    16 brahmin-tamil-nadu (metspalu) 5.23
    17 srivastava (reich) 5.64
    18 gujarati-b (hapmap) 6.02
    19 singapore-indian-b (sgvp) 6.02
    20 kerala-christian (harappa) 6.12

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 60.1% tamil-nadu-scheduled-caste (metspalu) + 39.9% haryana-jatt (harappa) @ 1.56
    2 73% srivastava (reich) + 27% gujarati-muslim (harappa) @ 1.59
    3 74.8% srivastava (reich) + 25.2% punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) @ 1.8
    4 79.5% bihari (harappa) + 20.5% punjabi-khatri (harappa) @ 1.87
    5 68.3% srivastava (reich) + 31.7% up-muslim (harappa) @ 1.91
    6 54.5% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) + 45.5% sakilli (chaubey) @ 1.92
    7 57.2% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) + 42.8% madiga (reich) @ 1.96
    8 63.1% sinhalese (harappa) + 36.9% haryana-jatt (harappa) @ 1.98
    9 72.4% srivastava (reich) + 27.6% punjabi (harappa) @ 1.98
    10 54.4% bhatia (harappa) + 45.6% ap-mala (xing) @ 1.99
    11 51.2% bhil (reich) + 48.8% bhatia (harappa) @ 2
    12 67.2% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 32.8% ap-mala (xing) @ 2.01
    13 79.5% srivastava (reich) + 20.5% sindhi (harappa) @ 2.04
    14 54.9% piramalai-kallar (metspalu) + 45.1% haryana-jatt (harappa) @ 2.06
    15 55.6% singapore-indian-a (sgvp) + 44.4% haryana-jatt (harappa) @ 2.1
    16 59.3% tamil-nadar (harappa) + 40.7% haryana-jatt (harappa) @ 2.1
    17 76.5% srivastava (reich) + 23.5% kashmiri (harappa) @ 2.11
    18 83.7% bihari (harappa) + 16.3% pathan (hgdp) @ 2.11
    19 77.8% srivastava (reich) + 22.2% punjabi-khatri (harappa) @ 2.12
    20 62.1% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 37.9% bhil (reich) @ 2.12
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    mtDNA:U2a1a* extras->11368C 16093A 8860A (195T) (309.1C) (315.1C)

    G25 Ancients Dist 1.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2 88.4 MAR_Taforalt 2.6NPL_Mebrak 5
    VK2020_SWE_Gotland_VA 4 Hidden Content

    Lactose Persistence rs3213871 rs4988243 rs4988183 rs3769005 rs2236783
    found -> DA125, Kangju

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    Quote Originally Posted by tipirneni View Post
    check the Gedrosia k12 make sure it is not Indo-tibetan. The ancient Ust-ishim like stuff found in parts of South India is weird. In case of Andhra Kamma kits score close to 4% Indo-tibetan and show up as Tungusc-Altaic and arctic etc.. in the K23. Your numbers look like regular MLBA but if you get any of those Tibetan or Tungus or Arctic then it is from different migration
    My Indo Tibetan is 2% and West Siberian is 1.06% on GedrosiaK12. So, this siberian on my harappa could be ancient.

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