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    Quote Originally Posted by Rahuls77 View Post
    What kind of Pashtun tribal identity or group would this person be from?
    The uncle is actually Pashto speaking but I'm not sure of his tribal identity, though based on some other calculators he seems to be more Burusho/Kohistani shifted especially as his daughter's Ancestry kit indicates that as well:

    PuntDNAL K12
    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Bengali_Muslim +25% Bengali_Muslim +25% UP_Muslim @ 2.699771


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 Bengali_Muslim + Bengali_Muslim + Bengali_Muslim + UP_Muslim @ 2.699771
    2 Afghan_Pashtun + Bengali_Muslim + Bengali_Muslim + Hakkipikki @ 2.727897
    3 Afghan_Pashtun + Bengali_Muslim + Bengali_Muslim + Paniya @ 2.735539
    4 Bengali_Muslim + Bengali_Muslim + Hakkipikki + Pakistan_Pashtun @ 3.216892
    5 Balochi + Bengali_Muslim + Bengali_Muslim + Paniya @ 3.354268

    His daughters PuntDNAL K12 (Ancestry Upload + Maternal Grandfather Afghan Pashtun):

    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Burusho +25% Gujarati +25% Paniya @ 2.154800


    Using 4 populations approximation:
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    1 Burusho + Keralam + Pakistan_Pashtun + Paniya @ 1.530908
    2 Burusho + Pakistan_Pashtun + Paniya + Tamil_Nadu @ 1.922372
    3 Bengali_Muslim + Burusho + Hakkipikki + Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim @ 1.931331
    4 Afghan_Pashtun + Burusho + Paniya + Tamil_Nadu @ 1.944947
    5 Burusho + Gujarati + Paniya + Punjabi_Jatt_Sikh @ 1.973968

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    I know this is not a G25 thread but this is the mixed mode of the father and his daughter:

    Father
    75% Uttar Pradesh + 25% Burusho 1.56
    75.4% Uttar Pradesh + 24.6% Kohistani 1.73
    82.2% Uttar Pradesh + 17.8% Tarkalani 1.91
    82.2% Uttar Pradesh + 17.8% Uthmankhel 1.99
    80.6% Uttar Pradesh + 19.4% Yusufzai 2.00

    Daughter
    67.8% Uttar Pradesh + 32.2% Kohistani 1.33
    63.8% Uttar Pradesh + 36.2% Sindhi 1.56
    75.8% Uttar Pradesh + 24.2% Kalash 1.76
    69.8% Uttar Pradesh + 30.2% Yusufzai 1.76
    75.2% Uttar Pradesh + 24.8% Tarkalani 1.78

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaazi View Post
    The 1st Rajasthani Rajput Rajput kit (Jaipur Chauhan kit) on whose basis other 5 kits were labelled as "Rajasthani Rajput" is herself found to be a Bihari Rajput immigrant from Dehri, Bihar into Jaipur, Rajasthan. That's why I guess she matches good 20cM with the Bihari Maithil Rajput kit. Her family members still live in a place called "Dehri" or "Dehri-ki-Sone" on Sone river, Bihar. Their relatives are from native places in Bihar like Sasaram, Jhumri Telaiya, Buddh Gaya, Aurangabad, Chhappra, Arra. Guess yourself.


    At this point, there's only 1 native Rajput kit from Rajasthan I know; the Dhakre Rajput from Dholpur but his maternal side are also UP Rajputs from Sengars of Jhansi. All these long discussions/belligerence that were going on this forum about Rajasthani Rajputs, are found to be not based on any verified native Rajasthani Rajput kit, afaik.
    Kaazi , what is the authenticity of the thread now with this updated information...how many samples are mislabelled and how many Rajasthani rajputs samples you have confirmed..
    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....-Thakur-thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koonger View Post
    Kaazi , what is the authenticity of the thread now with this updated information...how many samples are mislabelled and how many Rajasthani rajputs samples you have confirmed..
    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....-Thakur-thread

    1st 4 kits + 6th kit of the Rajasthani Rajputs are clearly mislabelled; the 5th Sisodia kit with only 2.5% NE-Euro doesn't seem to be a proper Rajput but I don't have anything against the Katarya kit who may or may not be from Rajasthan. So, this Dhakre Rajput guy from Dholpur is the only confirmed native Rajput from East Rajasthan close to UP border with half Bundeli Sengar Rajput mix.

    Half East Rajasthan/UP border-Half Bundelkhand Rajput (Dhakre/Sengar)
    S-Indian 45.45 Pct
    Baloch 35.52 Pct
    Caucasian 4.35 Pct
    NE-Euro 8.07 Pct
    SE-Asian 1.00 Pct
    Siberian 0.45 Pct
    NE-Asian -
    Papuan 1.29 Pct
    American 2.02 Pct
    Beringian -
    Mediterranean 1.83 Pct
    SW-Asian -
    San -
    E-African -
    Pygmy -
    W-African -

    All of the public G25 "Rajput_Rajasthan" samples are the 10 Mondal et al (2016) Rajput academic samples from Jodhpur, Rajasthan who also seem to be Pahadi Rajputs settled in Jodhpur due to elevated East Asian ancestry.
     
    Sample S-Indian Baloch NE-Asian NE-Euro Caucasian Siberian SE-Asian Beringian American SW-Asian Papuan Mediterranean E-African San Pygmy
    Rajput ► mondal RAI-8.SG 39.04 26.15 18.28 5.96 4 2.54 1.77 1.31 0.49 0.46 0 0 0 0 0
    Rajput ► mondal RAI-2.SG 37.19 35.52 4.5 9.56 5.63 0.77 2.13 2.15 0.25 0 0 2.31 0 0 0
    Rajput ► mondal RAI-15.SG 35.48 29.59 19.94 5.66 1.06 1.56 2.61 1.48 0.36 0 0.68 1.58 0 0 0
    Rajput ► mondal RAI-4.SG 35 24.62 22.36 6.75 4.49 0.87 2.13 0 1.56 0.45 0.84 0.6 0.07 0.27 0
    Rajput ► mondal RAI-5.SG 34.39 23.84 22.94 4.4 7.59 4.01 0.76 0.64 0 0 1.18 0.26 0 0 0
    Rajput ► mondal RAI-11.SG 34.25 28.3 20.1 7.41 4.37 3.55 0 0.38 0.1 0 0.5 0.96 0.09 0 0
    Rajput ► mondal RAI-3.SG 33.12 31.81 4.75 10.75 12.35 1.81 2.6 0 1.23 0.36 1.12 0 0 0 0.1
    Rajput ► mondal RAI-13.SG 33.08 25.6 20.95 8.12 2.3 3.86 1.6 1.9 1.09 0 0.14 1.22 0.13 0 0
    Rajput ► mondal RAI-12.SG 32.88 23.13 22.71 6.91 7.9 1.5 1.52 2.95 0 0 0.46 0 0 0.03 0
    Rajput ► mondal RAI-9.SG 32.78 27.89 20.61 7.32 3.79 1.85 1.96 2.12 0 0.21 1.48 0 0 0 0



    Close to Rajasthan, is the confirmed Bhind Madhya Pradesh Bhadouria Rajput and the Muslim Ranghar Rajput of Haryana/West UP. I don't know if there are any other confirmed Rajputs from Rajasthan or Rajasthan periphery. Moreover, guys claim that the West UP Sengar and Thakurs could be a Central Bundelkhand Rajput since Sengar's a Bundeli clan per claim and Central-Eastern UP Rajput since Thakurs are present throughout UP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaazi View Post
    1st 4 kits + 6th kit of the Rajasthani Rajputs are clearly mislabelled; the 5th Sisodia kit with only 2.5% NE-Euro doesn't seem to be a proper Rajput but I don't have anything against the Katarya kit who may or may not be from Rajasthan. So, this Dhakre Rajput guy from Dholpur is the only confirmed native Rajput from Rajasthan with half Bundeli Sengar Rajput mix.

    Half Rajasthan-Half Bundelkhand Rajput (Dhakre/Sengar)
    S-Indian 45.45 Pct
    Baloch 35.52 Pct
    Caucasian 4.35 Pct
    NE-Euro 8.07 Pct
    SE-Asian 1.00 Pct
    Siberian 0.45 Pct
    NE-Asian -
    Papuan 1.29 Pct
    American 2.02 Pct
    Beringian -
    Mediterranean 1.83 Pct
    SW-Asian -
    San -
    E-African -
    Pygmy -
    W-African -

    All of the public G25 "Rajput_Rajasthan" samples are the 10 Mondal et al (2016) Rajput academic samples from Jodhpur, Rajasthan who also seem to be Pahadi Rajputs settled in Jodhpur due to elevated East Asian ancestry.
     
    Sample S-Indian Baloch NE-Asian NE-Euro Caucasian Siberian SE-Asian Beringian American SW-Asian Papuan Mediterranean E-African San Pygmy
    Rajput ► mondal RAI-8.SG 39.04 26.15 18.28 5.96 4 2.54 1.77 1.31 0.49 0.46 0 0 0 0 0
    Rajput ► mondal RAI-2.SG 37.19 35.52 4.5 9.56 5.63 0.77 2.13 2.15 0.25 0 0 2.31 0 0 0
    Rajput ► mondal RAI-15.SG 35.48 29.59 19.94 5.66 1.06 1.56 2.61 1.48 0.36 0 0.68 1.58 0 0 0
    Rajput ► mondal RAI-4.SG 35 24.62 22.36 6.75 4.49 0.87 2.13 0 1.56 0.45 0.84 0.6 0.07 0.27 0
    Rajput ► mondal RAI-5.SG 34.39 23.84 22.94 4.4 7.59 4.01 0.76 0.64 0 0 1.18 0.26 0 0 0
    Rajput ► mondal RAI-11.SG 34.25 28.3 20.1 7.41 4.37 3.55 0 0.38 0.1 0 0.5 0.96 0.09 0 0
    Rajput ► mondal RAI-3.SG 33.12 31.81 4.75 10.75 12.35 1.81 2.6 0 1.23 0.36 1.12 0 0 0 0.1
    Rajput ► mondal RAI-13.SG 33.08 25.6 20.95 8.12 2.3 3.86 1.6 1.9 1.09 0 0.14 1.22 0.13 0 0
    Rajput ► mondal RAI-12.SG 32.88 23.13 22.71 6.91 7.9 1.5 1.52 2.95 0 0 0.46 0 0 0.03 0
    Rajput ► mondal RAI-9.SG 32.78 27.89 20.61 7.32 3.79 1.85 1.96 2.12 0 0.21 1.48 0 0 0 0



    Close to Rajasthan, is the confirmed Bhind Madhya Pradesh Bhadouria Rajput and the Muslim Ranghar Rajput of Haryana/West UP. I don't know if there are any other confirmed Rajputs from Rajasthan or Rajasthan periphery. Moreover, guys claim that the West UP Sengar and Thakurs could be a Central Bundelkhand Rajput and Central-Eastern UP Rajput since Thakurs are present throughout UP.
    Adding to it, Dhakre is actually a Gangetic Rajput clan, it is not a Rajasthani R, might be living there though.

    Dhakre relatives would be in some portions of Agra, across Yamuna, Bhind MP, Jalaun district, till Bundelkhand.

    Sengars are in far east Ballia district bordering Bihar as well, Jalaun Bundelkhand belt and Ballia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VoodooKing View Post
    Adding to it, Dhakre is actually a Gangetic Rajput clan, it might not be a Rajasthani R, might be living there though.
    He does says that he doesn't know anything about his father's clan (Dhakre Rajput from Dholpur, East Rajasthan close to UP border) since he lives in the West. They didnt migrate recently afaik but I cant say if they migrated from UP in the past becoz he himself doesn't know much about his paternal side. His paternal grandmother is Tomar Rajput, so maybe you can tell where Tomars and Dhakreys live??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaazi View Post
    1st 4 kits + 6th kit of the Rajasthani Rajputs are clearly mislabelled; the 5th Sisodia kit with only 2.5% NE-Euro doesn't seem to be a proper Rajput but I don't have anything against the Katarya kit who may or may not be from Rajasthan. So, this Dhakre Rajput guy from Dholpur is the only confirmed native Rajput from East Rajasthan close to UP border with half Bundeli Sengar Rajput mix.

    Half East Rajasthan/UP border-Half Bundelkhand Rajput (Dhakre/Sengar)
    S-Indian 45.45 Pct
    Baloch 35.52 Pct
    Caucasian 4.35 Pct
    NE-Euro 8.07 Pct
    SE-Asian 1.00 Pct
    Siberian 0.45 Pct
    NE-Asian -
    Papuan 1.29 Pct
    American 2.02 Pct
    Beringian -
    Mediterranean 1.83 Pct
    SW-Asian -
    San -
    E-African -
    Pygmy -
    W-African -

    All of the public G25 "Rajput_Rajasthan" samples are the 10 Mondal et al (2016) Rajput academic samples from Jodhpur, Rajasthan who also seem to be Pahadi Rajputs settled in Jodhpur due to elevated East Asian ancestry.
     
    Sample S-Indian Baloch NE-Asian NE-Euro Caucasian Siberian SE-Asian Beringian American SW-Asian Papuan Mediterranean E-African San Pygmy
    Rajput ► mondal RAI-8.SG 39.04 26.15 18.28 5.96 4 2.54 1.77 1.31 0.49 0.46 0 0 0 0 0
    Rajput ► mondal RAI-2.SG 37.19 35.52 4.5 9.56 5.63 0.77 2.13 2.15 0.25 0 0 2.31 0 0 0
    Rajput ► mondal RAI-15.SG 35.48 29.59 19.94 5.66 1.06 1.56 2.61 1.48 0.36 0 0.68 1.58 0 0 0
    Rajput ► mondal RAI-4.SG 35 24.62 22.36 6.75 4.49 0.87 2.13 0 1.56 0.45 0.84 0.6 0.07 0.27 0
    Rajput ► mondal RAI-5.SG 34.39 23.84 22.94 4.4 7.59 4.01 0.76 0.64 0 0 1.18 0.26 0 0 0
    Rajput ► mondal RAI-11.SG 34.25 28.3 20.1 7.41 4.37 3.55 0 0.38 0.1 0 0.5 0.96 0.09 0 0
    Rajput ► mondal RAI-3.SG 33.12 31.81 4.75 10.75 12.35 1.81 2.6 0 1.23 0.36 1.12 0 0 0 0.1
    Rajput ► mondal RAI-13.SG 33.08 25.6 20.95 8.12 2.3 3.86 1.6 1.9 1.09 0 0.14 1.22 0.13 0 0
    Rajput ► mondal RAI-12.SG 32.88 23.13 22.71 6.91 7.9 1.5 1.52 2.95 0 0 0.46 0 0 0.03 0
    Rajput ► mondal RAI-9.SG 32.78 27.89 20.61 7.32 3.79 1.85 1.96 2.12 0 0.21 1.48 0 0 0 0



    Close to Rajasthan, is the confirmed Bhind Madhya Pradesh Bhadouria Rajput and the Muslim Ranghar Rajput of Haryana/West UP. I don't know if there are any other confirmed Rajputs from Rajasthan or Rajasthan periphery. Moreover, guys claim that the West UP Sengar and Thakurs could be a Central Bundelkhand Rajput since Sengar's a Bundeli clan per claim and Central-Eastern UP Rajput since Thakurs are present throughout UP.
    We do have some Gujrati Rajput samples too they also resembles their Up/Bihar counterparts.
    So Rajasthani Rajputs should be in middle of those samples

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpinosaurusN3H1 View Post
    Mattu/Mattoo is a Kashmiri surname. Do Jats also use it?
    Quote Originally Posted by David067 View Post
    His name was like that of Sikhs and I searched about it mattu is also a gotra of jatts

    Here's another Mattu jatt (his relative )

    Admix Results (sorted):

    #PopulationPercent
    1 Baloch 36.96
    2 S-Indian 32.23
    3 Caucasian 11.48
    4 NE-Euro 11.4
    5 Mediterranean 3.53
    6 Beringian 1.44
    7 Papuan 0.9
    8 SW-Asian 0.87
    9 SE-Asian 0.6
    10 American 0.59

    Single Population Sharing:

    #Population (source)
    Distance
    1 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 4.52
    2 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 4.6
    3 punjabi (harappa) 4.79
    4 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 4.92
    5 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 5.07
    6 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 5.53
    7 up-muslim (harappa) 5.53
    8 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 5.62
    9 kashmiri (harappa) 5.73
    10 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 6.22
    11 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 6.28
    12 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 7.28
    13 nepalese-a (xing) 7.7
    14 haryana-jatt (harappa) 8.1
    15 punjabi-arain (xing) 8.18
    16 sindhi (harappa) 8.28
    17 up-brahmin (harappa) 8.55
    18 pathan (hgdp) 10.52
    19 sindhi (hgdp) 10.71
    20 brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) 11.05
    btw, there are also Mattu/Mattoo among the Chamar community in Punjab, as well as among Jatts (both Sikh and Muslim in Punjab, Pakistan). I don't know if there is any connection between the Chamar and Jatt Mattu.

    It would be good if a genetic test could be done (or verified via 23andMe etc DNA relatives check) between the Jatt and Chamar Mattu to see if they are ancestrally related and how far back in time. My maternal grandmother family are Mattu Jatt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David067 View Post
    Dehal (kamboh?)

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 36.6
    2 S-Indian 31.92
    3 Caucasian 13.18
    4 NE-Euro 12.75
    5 Siberian 2.75
    6 Mediterranean 1.56
    7 American 0.77
    8 Papuan 0.29
    9 SW-Asian 0.18
    10 NE-Asian 0.01

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 4.8
    2 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 5.3
    3 kashmiri (harappa) 5.45
    4 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 5.56
    5 punjabi (harappa) 5.98
    6 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 6.05
    7 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 6.25
    8 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 6.57
    9 up-muslim (harappa) 6.94
    10 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 7.64
    11 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 7.77
    12 sindhi (harappa) 7.97
    13 haryana-jatt (harappa) 8.05
    14 nepalese-a (xing) 8.11
    15 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 8.69
    16 punjabi-arain (xing) 9.47
    17 pathan (hgdp) 9.77
    18 up-brahmin (harappa) 9.83
    19 bhatia (harappa) 11.09
    20 burusho (hgdp) 11.78

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 93.9% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 6.1% russian (behar) @ 2.55
    2 94% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 6% belorussian (behar) @ 2.64
    3 93.6% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 6.4% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 2.64
    4 81.9% up-brahmin (harappa) + 18.1% lezgin (behar) @ 2.66
    5 93.7% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 6.3% ukranian (yunusbayev) @ 2.66
    6 95% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 5% finnish (1000genomes) @ 2.68
    7 94.5% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 5.5% lithuanian (behar) @ 2.74
    8 93.5% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 6.5% slovenian (xing) @ 2.81
    9 93.2% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 6.8% chuvash (behar) @ 2.86
    10 93.5% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 6.5% hungarian (behar) @ 2.87
    11 81.4% up-brahmin (harappa) + 18.6% urkarah (xing) @ 2.89
    12 74.1% gujarati-b (hapmap) + 25.9% urkarah (xing) @ 2.93
    13 94.1% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 5.9% n-european (xing) @ 3.04
    14 83.3% up-brahmin (harappa) + 16.7% chechen (yunusbayev) @ 3.06
    15 81.2% up-brahmin (harappa) + 18.8% stalskoe (xing) @ 3.06
    16 73.5% up-kshatriya (metspalu) + 26.5% urkarah (xing) @ 3.08
    17 90.3% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 9.7% nogai (yunusbayev) @ 3.1
    18 94.2% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 5.8% utahn-white (hapmap) @ 3.1
    19 82.6% up-brahmin (harappa) + 17.4% kumyk (yunusbayev) @ 3.1
    20 93.3% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 6.7% romanian-a (behar) @ 3.13
    Dehal are Jatt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaazi View Post
    He does says that he doesn't know anything about his father's clan (Dhakre Rajput from Dholpur, East Rajasthan close to UP border) since he lives in the West. They didnt migrate recently afaik but I cant say if they migrated from UP in the past becoz he himself doesn't know much about his paternal side. His paternal grandmother is Tomar Rajput, so maybe you can tell where Tomars and Dhakreys live??
    Dhakreys are found particularly in Agra District. Tomars are found all over but concentrated in Chambal region afaik.

    Eastern extremities of Rajasthan,i.e, Bharatpur and Dholpur fall under the ethno-linguistic region of Braj like many parts of West UP, so I wouldn't consider him a migrant. Hence he can be counted as a half native Rajasthani Rajput since Dholpur falls under the province of Rajasthan. But that isn't Rajasthan proper (where Rajasthani languages like Bagri, Marwari, Dhundhari, Bagri, Shekhawati, Mewari, Harauti etc are spoken) again taking into consideration ethno-linguistic divisions.
    Idk what grouping 'gangetic' is. But that's how I would categorise this sample.

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