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    Y-DNA genetic evidence reveals several different ancient origins in the Brahmin popl.

    Published: 25 September 2020

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    The ancient geographical origins of Brahmins—a prominent ethnic group in the Indian subcontinent—have remained controversial for a long time. This study employed the AMOVA (analysis of molecular variance) test to evaluate genetic affinities of this group with thirty populations of Central Asia and Europe. A domestic comparison was performed with fifty non-Brahmin groups in India. The results showed that Brahmins had genetic affinities with several foreign populations and also shared their genetic heritage with several domestic non-Brahmin groups. The study identified the deep ancient origins of Brahmins by tracing their Y-chromosome haplogroups and genetic markers on the Y-DNA phylogenetic tree. It was confirmed that the progenitors of this group emerged from at least 12 different geographic regions of the world. The study concluded that about 83% of the Brahmins in the dataset belonged to four major haplogroups, of which two emerged from Central Asia, one from the Fertile Crescent, and one was of an indigenous Indian origin.

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    This paper not scientific enough. Doesn't do state of the art network analysis or the cluster pattern analysis. Just a high level vague summary
    Y: H-M69 -> H-M82 -> SK1225 -> H-Z5888 -> H-Z5890 -> H-CTS8144 [CTS8144/PF1741/M5498] -> Z34531 (H1a1a4b3b1a8~)
    found 2875 BCE -> Jiroft/IVC Periphery 11459 Shahr-i-Sokte BA2
    mtDNA:U2a1a

    G25 Ancients Dist 0.79 IND_Roopkund_A 51.05 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2 46.64 MAR_Iberomaurusian2.04PAK_Katelai_IA0.19 TKM_Gonur2_BA 0.08

    Lactose Persistence rs3213871 rs4988243 rs4988183 rs3769005 rs2236783
    found -> DA125, Kangju

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    "two emerged from Central Asia, one from the Fertile Crescent, and one was of an indigenous Indian origin."

    Lemme guess R1a, C, J2, H?

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    Quote Originally Posted by subzero85 View Post
    "two emerged from Central Asia, one from the Fertile Crescent, and one was of an indigenous Indian origin."

    Lemme guess R1a, C, J2, H?
    Its a lot more complex than that. There are virtually all haplogroups which you find across Brahmin populations.

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    Using STRs in 2020 sounds quite insane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rahuls77 View Post
    Its a lot more complex than that. There are virtually all haplogroups which you find across Brahmin populations.
    but R seems to be higher in Brahmins as compared to non-Brahmins. The opposite is true for other haplogroups. But I do agree with Jatt1 that instead of STRs they should have used a more reliable method.

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    Quote Originally Posted by subzero85 View Post
    "two emerged from Central Asia, one from the Fertile Crescent, and one was of an indigenous Indian origin."

    Lemme guess R1a, C, J2, H?
    If I had to wager a bet, I would pick R2 over C. I don't think any Brahmin group outside of some Himalayan or Eastern ones would have any notable quantities of C. Perhaps, I'm mistaken though.
    pegasus modeling:
    sample": "Punjabi_Jat:Sapporo_AGUser",
    "fit": 1.1506,
    "IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3": 43.33,
    "TKM_Gonur1_BA": 31.67,
    "RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 25,
    "closestDistances": [

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    Ascertain first whether Brahim is social class or an ethnic entity. If you ask me, then i would say just a preexisting social class and hence the different haplos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shujauddin View Post
    Ascertain first whether Brahim is social class or an ethnic entity. If you ask me, then i would say just a preexisting social class and hence the different haplos.
    They are a different entity in most areas. They sometimes migrate or marry into other states. Mostly I would consider them ethnic. The Brahmins from Kashmir and UP and Maharashtra are different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapporo View Post
    If I had to wager a bet, I would pick R2 over C. I don't think any Brahmin group outside of some Himalayan or Eastern ones would have any notable quantities of C. Perhaps, I'm mistaken though.
    Anecdotally, I see more Q and J amongst my Brahmin relatives than C (I think only one or two may have C). R1a being the predominant paternal haplogroup.

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