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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    Of these Pokharna and Dahima/Pundir are interesting. The Pokharna may not have been brahmans initially. Or they may have been Bhojak/Shak brahmans, became Parasari mendicants*, and then came back to the brahman fold.

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    parasari brahmanyah jagati durlabhah
    parasharino bhikshavah
    parasharya bhikshusutra
    "The Buddhist mendicant Divakaramitra has been styled as a Parasari Bhikshu.
    The first mention of the Parasari Bhiskhu occurs in Panini (4.3.110). It is mentioned there
    that the students of the Bhikshu-sutrara of Parasara were known as Parasarin. ... It has been mentioned earlier that the mendicant of Parasarin sect washed their
    hands and feet with water contained in their Kamandalu pots, and then performed the cere-
    mony of Chaitya-vandana, i.e., salutation to the Chaitya or Stupa. Bana has gone to the
    length of stating that no Parasari Bhikshu existed in his time who loved a Brahmana."
    https://archive.org/stream/in.ernet....arsha_djvu.txt
    A Marwar Gazetter does suggest Pushkarana or Pokharna of Odh origin but that may be due to concentrated population of Pushkarana and their hostility toward princely states as many of anti-princely state movt. were led by Pushkaranas including Jai Narayan Vyas, ex CM of Rajasthan. Genetically, Pushkaranas are West Euresian population with heavy steppe, so odh connection does not hold true because Odh are heavy AASI.
    Dadhich seems to have AASI specific patrilineages like C5 and H but their autosomal composition is similar to Brahmin profiles.
    Dahima, Gaur, etc. Rajputs make lower tier of Rajputs in internal hierarchy of Rajputs and not very numerous as compared to numerous clans like Rathore, Sekhawat, Rajawat, Bhati, etc. However, some may indeed be related to Dadhich because Sengupta et al, 2006 suggest high frequency of Haplogrouo H( around 20 percent) among Rajputs of Rajputs, much higher than Thakurs of Eastern Uttar Pradesh. There is mention of a Gaur Sekhawat bloody war but then again, most of these are not historically proven stuff, rather legends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlluGobi View Post
    I think this individul might be a Hyderabadi Muslim, some of them have genuine Middle-eastern/Central Asian ancestry. Especially if their other closest matches are South Indians.
    San is a South African specific component and that particular region was not a part of the Islamic world. They are likely a Gujarati Muslim in South Africa with local admixture. Gujarati Muslims form a plurality among Indian South Africans

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mahalat View Post
    San is a South African specific component and that particular region was not a part of the Islamic world. They are likely a Gujarati Muslim in South Africa with local admixture. Gujarati Muslims form a plurality among Indian South Africans
    Ah yeah that makes more sense.

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    Gujarati Muslims have significant middle eastern pull as compared to other muslim populations of the subcontinent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by surasena View Post
    imo its probably just any other EastUP/Bihar midcaste. not particularly bania or kayastha, but yes artificially appears to be so. [mainly because their population is quite low and the latter shows a slightly higher steppe indicator]
    Shresthas are mostly mercantile/Vaishya community who wanted to upgrade themselves to claim Kshatriya varna. They distorted the meaning of Shrestha as nobility, but in reality, Shrestha derives from ancient Indic term "Shresthi" which means merchant. It is certain that the major ingredients of Shresthas was Vaishya groups like Kayastha and Banias from Malla and Lichchhavi Janapada in East UP/Bihar.


    This Upanishad drama uses the term "Shresthi" for merchant.
     



    Only a lil core of Shrestha actually have Gangetic Thakur (Thakool) root; even that Mulepati which is grouped here as a "Kshatriya Rathore" also scores close to other bulk of Vaishya Shresthas. They may not like it but the majority of the Shresthas are Panchthariyas/Vaishyas and the noble Chhathariya Shresthas have widely mixed with Panchthariya/Vaishya Shresthas. Note how a Kayastha (Kasaju) is a Chhathariya Shrestha. Kayasthas also hopped/mixed into Chhathariya subcaste.


    I would say Newars statistically are Shresthas (merchants), Jyapu (farmers), Bandas/Shakyas (Buddhist priestly/occupational groups), and rest. Also, note how a priestly group (Bareju/Shakya/Buddhacharya) and metalsmith group (Banra/Banda) is in one caste. They mixed in because their upper caste population was low in ancient Bihar.
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    # Population Percent
    1 S-Indian 46.65
    2 Baloch 27.85
    3 SE-Asian 7.01
    4 Caucasian 6.47
    5 NE-Asian 5.34
    6 NE-Euro 2.12
    7 Mediterranean 1.38
    8 American 1.12
    9 Papuan 0.71
    10 Beringian 0.64
    11 Siberian 0.39
    12 E-African 0.29
    13 Pygmy 0.04

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 bengali (harappa) 4.86
    2 kerala-muslim (harappa) 8.65
    3 sri-lankan (harappa) 8.9
    4 caribbean-indian (harappa) 8.95
    5 bihari (harappa) 8.99
    6 ap-hyderabad (harappa) 9.41
    7 up (harappa) 9.43
    8 bihari-muslim (harappa) 9.78
    9 cochin-jew (behar) 9.91
    10 kerala-christian (harappa) 9.93
    11 tamil (harappa) 10.28
    12 rajasthani (harappa) 10.48
    13 karnataka-brahmin (harappa) 10.6
    14 maharashtrian (harappa) 10.92
    15 andhra-pradesh (harappa) 11.05
    16 up-muslim (metspalu) 11.06
    17 singapore-indian-b (sgvp) 11.13
    18 srivastava (reich) 11.17
    19 bengali-brahmin (harappa) 11.31
    20 tharu (metspalu) 11.38

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 89.1% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 10.9% vietnamese (xing) @ 1.74
    2 88.8% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 11.2% lahu (hgdp) @ 1.91
    3 89.2% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 10.8% kinh (1000genomes) @ 1.92
    4 89.8% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 10.2% dai-chinese (1000genomes) @ 2.31
    5 90% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 10% dai (hgdp) @ 2.47
    6 80.8% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 19.2% khasi (chaubey) @ 2.72
    7 88.3% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 11.7% khmer-cambodian (xing) @ 3.12
    8 89.9% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 10.1% miao (hgdp) @ 3.41
    9 85.9% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 14.1% burmanese (chaubey) @ 3.42
    10 80.2% kerala-christian (harappa) + 19.8% khasi (chaubey) @ 3.48
    11 90% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 10% singapore-chinese (sgvp) @ 3.55
    12 88% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 12% thai (xing) @ 3.57
    13 78.2% singapore-indian-b (sgvp) + 21.8% khasi (chaubey) @ 3.59
    14 88.7% tamil (harappa) + 11.3% vietnamese (xing) @ 3.68
    15 95.9% bengali (harappa) + 4.1% georgian (behar) @ 3.71
    16 90.2% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 9.8% she (hgdp) @ 3.74
    17 87.9% andhra-pradesh (harappa) + 12.1% vietnamese (xing) @ 3.75
    18 95.8% bengali (harappa) + 4.2% abhkasian (yunusbayev) @ 3.76
    19 86.4% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 13.6% garo (chaubey) @ 3.79
    20 88.4% tamil (harappa) + 11.6% lahu (hgdp) @ 3.8

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    # Population Percent
    1 S-Indian 48.77
    2 Baloch 27.98
    3 SE-Asian 6.74
    4 NE-Asian 5.61
    5 NE-Euro 3.88
    6 SW-Asian 1.72
    7 Caucasian 1.41
    8 Mediterranean 1.38
    9 Beringian 1.34
    10 Papuan 0.85
    11 Siberian 0.27
    12 San 0.05

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 bengali (harappa) 2.99
    2 kerala-muslim (harappa) 7.24
    3 sri-lankan (harappa) 7.35
    4 caribbean-indian (harappa) 7.77
    5 bihari (harappa) 7.78
    6 up (harappa) 8.65
    7 up-muslim (metspalu) 9.34
    8 ap-hyderabad (harappa) 9.83
    9 tamil (harappa) 9.86
    10 tharu (metspalu) 9.89
    11 andhra-pradesh (harappa) 9.9
    12 dharkar (metspalu) 9.91
    13 srivastava (reich) 10.01
    14 kanjar (metspalu) 10.31
    15 singapore-indian-b (sgvp) 10.52
    16 kerala-christian (harappa) 10.63
    17 rajasthani (harappa) 10.66
    18 bihari-muslim (harappa) 10.71
    19 karnataka-brahmin (harappa) 10.71
    20 ap-brahmin (xing) 10.72

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 80% dharkar (metspalu) + 20% khasi (chaubey) @ 2.19
    2 80.1% tharu (metspalu) + 19.9% khasi (chaubey) @ 2.47
    3 89.1% up-muslim (metspalu) + 10.9% lahu (hgdp) @ 2.48
    4 81.1% up-muslim (metspalu) + 18.9% khasi (chaubey) @ 2.5
    5 79.4% kanjar (metspalu) + 20.6% khasi (chaubey) @ 2.51
    6 89.5% up-muslim (metspalu) + 10.5% vietnamese (xing) @ 2.52
    7 89.6% up-muslim (metspalu) + 10.4% kinh (1000genomes) @ 2.55
    8 88.7% bengali (harappa) + 11.3% dusadh (metspalu) @ 2.56
    9 89% bengali (harappa) + 11% tamil-nadu-scheduled-caste (metspalu) @ 2.56
    10 90.1% bengali (harappa) + 9.9% naidu (reich) @ 2.57
    11 91.7% bengali (harappa) + 8.3% vysya (reich) @ 2.59
    12 90.6% bengali (harappa) + 9.4% singapore-indian-a (sgvp) @ 2.6
    13 89% bengali (harappa) + 11% lodi (reich) @ 2.6
    14 91.2% bengali (harappa) + 8.8% piramalai-kallar (metspalu) @ 2.62
    15 89.4% bengali (harappa) + 10.6% tamil-nadar (harappa) @ 2.62
    16 90.2% bengali (harappa) + 9.8% kol (metspalu) @ 2.63
    17 92.2% bengali (harappa) + 7.8% kamsali (reich) @ 2.63
    18 90.1% bengali (harappa) + 9.9% tamil-vellalar (harappa) @ 2.63
    19 88.1% kanjar (metspalu) + 11.9% lahu (hgdp) @ 2.63
    20 93% bengali (harappa) + 7% sakilli (chaubey) @ 2.63



    She has a website and everything. Phenotype talk is taboo here but let's just say that she looks far more Asian influenced than her results would suggest. That's all, nothing else.

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    # Population Percent
    1 S-Indian 47.16
    2 Baloch 27.27
    3 NE-Asian 9.03
    4 SE-Asian 6.79
    5 Caucasian 4.71
    6 NE-Euro 1.99
    7 Papuan 0.89
    8 Beringian 0.85
    9 SW-Asian 0.85
    10 Siberian 0.27
    11 San 0.18
    12 Mediterranean 0.01

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 bengali (harappa) 5.41
    2 kerala-muslim (harappa) 9.68
    3 sri-lankan (harappa) 10.62
    4 bihari (harappa) 10.64
    5 caribbean-indian (harappa) 10.64
    6 up (harappa) 11.29
    7 ap-hyderabad (harappa) 11.37
    8 tamil (harappa) 11.84
    9 kerala-christian (harappa) 11.86
    10 bihari-muslim (harappa) 11.88
    11 up-muslim (metspalu) 12.21
    12 rajasthani (harappa) 12.25
    13 andhra-pradesh (harappa) 12.38
    14 cochin-jew (behar) 12.53
    15 karnataka-brahmin (harappa) 12.64
    16 tharu (metspalu) 12.71
    17 singapore-indian-b (sgvp) 12.79
    18 maharashtrian (harappa) 12.87
    19 srivastava (reich) 13
    20 bengali-brahmin (harappa) 13.17

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 86.1% andhra-pradesh (harappa) + 13.9% miao (hgdp) @ 2.01
    2 86.2% andhra-pradesh (harappa) + 13.8% singapore-chinese (sgvp) @ 2.04
    3 86.3% andhra-pradesh (harappa) + 13.7% she (hgdp) @ 2.14
    4 86.2% andhra-pradesh (harappa) + 13.8% chinese (xing) @ 2.21
    5 86.4% andhra-pradesh (harappa) + 13.6% han-chinese-south (1000genomes) @ 2.25
    6 86.4% andhra-pradesh (harappa) + 13.6% han (hgdp) @ 2.31
    7 80.9% andhra-pradesh (harappa) + 19.1% burmanese (chaubey) @ 2.47
    8 86.5% andhra-pradesh (harappa) + 13.5% chinese-american (hapmap) @ 2.6
    9 86.5% andhra-pradesh (harappa) + 13.5% tujia (hgdp) @ 2.64
    10 79.7% karnataka (harappa) + 20.3% burmanese (chaubey) @ 2.64
    11 81.2% andhra-pradesh (harappa) + 18.8% garo (chaubey) @ 2.71
    12 80% karnataka (harappa) + 20% garo (chaubey) @ 2.73
    13 86.9% tamil (harappa) + 13.1% singapore-chinese (sgvp) @ 2.83
    14 85.2% karnataka (harappa) + 14.8% miao (hgdp) @ 2.87
    15 87% tamil (harappa) + 13% she (hgdp) @ 2.88
    16 86.8% tamil (harappa) + 13.2% miao (hgdp) @ 2.89
    17 87.4% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 12.6% singapore-chinese (sgvp) @ 2.91
    18 87.3% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 12.7% miao (hgdp) @ 2.91
    19 85.4% karnataka (harappa) + 14.6% singapore-chinese (sgvp) @ 2.92
    20 87.1% tamil (harappa) + 12.9% han-chinese-south (1000genomes) @ 2.96

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlluGobi View Post
    I think this individul might be a Hyderabadi Muslim, some of them have genuine Middle-eastern/Central Asian ancestry. Especially if their other closest matches are South Indians.
    San is interesting in sense that it does not represent African population, but more primitive Bushman groups having haplogroups like A. I do not understand how a person may score San type component. Interesting, nonetheless.
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    # Population Percent
    1 S-Indian 46.6
    2 Baloch 25.31
    3 SE-Asian 9.1
    4 NE-Asian 6.26
    5 NE-Euro 5.15
    6 Caucasian 3.57
    7 Siberian 1.83
    8 Beringian 1.11
    9 Mediterranean 0.68
    10 American 0.41

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 bengali (harappa) 4.09
    2 sri-lankan (harappa) 10.48

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