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    Anyone have opinions on the accuracy of the K35 Bronze/Iron Age calc on Geneplaza by Dilawer Khan? Seems like some people on this thread may know. I tried it, seems to do pretty well except for one major outlier, it gave me 8% "Recent" South East Asia (Cambodia) which I highly doubt due to my known ancestry. All other populations it gave me we ancient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldmountains View Post
    Its history is closely linked to Y7 and probably also some Z2123 clades like Y47 or SK2031 accompanying R1a-L657 Indo-Aryans into South Asia. R-Y6 is a bit older than Y7 and based on its estimated TMRCA (4200 ybp according to Yfull but likely bit older) was very likely born in East Europe (Fatyanovo-Balanovo/Abashevo). Like Y7 it is very closely linked to Indo-Aryans and arrived very likely together with Y7 in South Asia or only very slightly later or earlier. In South Asia, it is present in all Indo-Aryan subgroups just like Y7 but somehow has a higher ratio or even frequency than Y7 in South and East India. I think overall it has a frequency of around 10% in South Asia but of course, depending on the caste and region (especially NW India) can be much higher.

    Also L657 among Balochs, Brahui and Pashtuns seem to be dominated by Y6 (Balochs and Brahui who are rich in L657 lack Y7 afaik but Pashtuns have some). Sindhi, Punjabi and Kashmiri seem to have more Y7 on the other side I think but Y6 is present among all of them in varying frequencies. So far there is not really a clear pattern to associate Y6 or Y7 with some specific and from each other distinct migrations or historical subgroups. Also the differences in terms of Y6 or Y7 frequencies are often probably just the result of founder effects and not necessarily very old/ancient. Maybe the fact that the Y6/Y7 ratio is higher in border/frontier regions of Indo-Aryan civilization (Gedrosia, South India, East India,...) means something but Y6 is found among Brahmins often and not absent in the core regions of Vedic and Indic civilization so, for now, I would not interpret too much into it.
    Hi, sorry to bother you but you seem like a knowledgeable person. My Y dna is L1A1. What can you tell me about its origins? I did some research they said could be native indus population. lol all these tests and just to find out what I already know that im Pakistani

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    Quote Originally Posted by scorpi786 View Post
    ...My Y dna is L1A1. What can you tell me about its origins? I did some research they said could be native indus population. lol all these tests and just to find out what I already know that im Pakistani
    L1a1 is present all over South Asia but more in the western areas of South Asia. It was found in ancient DNA from Areni, Armenia.
    L1a2 is also present in South Asia. %age is higher in the north-west but diversity is higher in the south. Many of the Swat Valley samples were M357.
    L1b - not common in South Asia, but if I recall correctly we have a Jatt who is L1b.
    L2 - L595 was foung in BMAC, but is now seen mainly further west.

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    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 S-Indian 34.79
    2 Baloch 32.22
    3 NE-Euro 12.99
    4 Caucasian 9.24
    5 NE-Asian 4
    6 SE-Asian 2.97
    7 American 1.18
    8 W-African 0.9
    9 Siberian 0.75
    10 Mediterranean 0.7
    11 Beringian 0.27

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 up-muslim (harappa) 6.55
    2 nepalese-a (xing) 6.66
    3 up-brahmin (harappa) 8.49
    4 bengali-brahmin (harappa) 8.78
    5 punjabi (harappa) 8.97
    6 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 8.99
    7 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 9.11
    8 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 9.14
    9 kashmiri (harappa) 9.32
    10 brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) 9.66
    11 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 10.03
    12 bihari-muslim (harappa) 10.22
    13 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 10.35
    14 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 10.36
    15 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 10.71
    16 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 10.78
    17 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 10.78
    18 haryana-jatt (harappa) 11.11
    19 vaish (reich) 11.6
    20 up-kshatriya (metspalu) 12.83

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 84.9% bengali-brahmin (harappa) + 15.1% urkarah (xing) @ 3.61
    2 78.1% bengali-brahmin (harappa) + 21.9% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 3.72
    3 84.6% bengali-brahmin (harappa) + 15.4% stalskoe (xing) @ 3.83
    4 85.6% bengali-brahmin (harappa) + 14.4% lezgin (behar) @ 3.93
    5 63.3% srivastava (reich) + 36.7% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 3.95
    6 83.5% brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) + 16.5% nogai (yunusbayev) @ 4
    7 85.1% bengali-brahmin (harappa) + 14.9% nogai (yunusbayev) @ 4.1
    8 60.2% haryana-jatt (harappa) + 39.8% bengali (harappa) @ 4.1
    9 86.5% bengali-brahmin (harappa) + 13.5% chechen (yunusbayev) @ 4.13
    10 86.1% bengali-brahmin (harappa) + 13.9% kumyk (yunusbayev) @ 4.25
    11 64.2% bihari (harappa) + 35.8% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 4.39
    12 58.2% kanjar (metspalu) + 41.8% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 4.5
    13 80% brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) + 20% turkmen (yunusbayev) @ 4.5
    14 81.9% bengali-brahmin (harappa) + 18.1% turkmen (yunusbayev) @ 4.51
    15 87.6% bengali-brahmin (harappa) + 12.4% balkar (yunusbayev) @ 4.55
    16 87.8% bengali-brahmin (harappa) + 12.2% north-ossetian (yunusbayev) @ 4.61
    17 80.7% vaish (reich) + 19.3% nogai (yunusbayev) @ 4.62
    18 87.8% bengali-brahmin (harappa) + 12.2% adygei (hgdp) @ 4.63
    19 75.6% bihari-muslim (harappa) + 24.4% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 4.63
    20 77% brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) + 23% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 4.69

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    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 S-Indian 33.68
    2 Baloch 32.54
    3 NE-Euro 12.34
    4 Caucasian 10.32
    5 NE-Asian 4.09
    6 American 3.38
    7 Mediterranean 1.29


    Finished reading population data. 377 populations found.
    16 components mode.

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    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 nepali_harappa @ 4.927798
    2 up-muslim_harappa @ 6.459448
    3 rajasthani-brahmin_harappa @ 6.980099
    4 nepalese-a_xing @ 7.869498
    5 pushtikar-brahmin_harappa @ 7.964815
    6 kashmiri_harappa @ 8.528781
    7 kashmiri-pandit_reich @ 8.942107
    8 punjabi_harappa @ 8.955691
    9 punjabi-brahmin_harappa @ 9.055582
    10 singapore-indian-c_sgvp @ 9.550838
    11 punjabi-jatt-muslim_harappa @ 9.685831
    12 up-brahmin_harappa @ 10.039559
    13 bihari-brahmin_harappa @ 10.042330
    14 punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 10.278756
    15 gujarati-muslim_harappa @ 10.526837
    16 kashmiri-pahari_harappa @ 10.680819
    17 punjabi-jatt-sikh_harappa @ 10.753963
    18 punjabi-ramgarhia_harappa @ 11.026484
    19 bengali-brahmin_harappa @ 11.079294
    20 haryana-jatt_harappa @ 11.209683

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% nepali_harappa +50% rajasthani-brahmin_harappa @ 4.902437


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% rajasthani-brahmin_harappa +25% satnami_reich +25% tajik_yunusbayev @ 3.330107


    Using 4 populations approximation:
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    1 rajasthani-brahmin_harappa + rajasthani-brahmin_harappa + satnami_reich + tajik_yunusbayev @ 3.330107
    2 chenchu_metspalu + rajasthani-brahmin_harappa + rajasthani-brahmin_harappa + tajik_yunusbayev @ 3.436323
    3 haryana-jatt_harappa + madiga_reich + rajasthani-brahmin_harappa + tajik_yunusbayev @ 3.505024
    4 chamar_metspalu + rajasthani-brahmin_harappa + rajasthani-brahmin_harappa + tajik_yunusbayev @ 3.541147
    5 bhatia_harappa + chenchu_reich + rajasthani-brahmin_harappa + tajik_yunusbayev @ 3.563916
    6 ap-madiga_xing + haryana-jatt_harappa + rajasthani-brahmin_harappa + tajik_yunusbayev @ 3.601878
    7 haryana-jatt_harappa + north-kannadi_chaubey + rajasthani-brahmin_harappa + tajik_yunusbayev @ 3.620210
    8 haryana-jatt_harappa + rajasthani-brahmin_harappa + tajik_yunusbayev + tamil-vishwakarma_harappa @ 3.624538
    9 kamsali_reich + rajasthani-brahmin_harappa + rajasthani-brahmin_harappa + tajik_yunusbayev @ 3.628275
    10 bhil_reich + rajasthani-brahmin_harappa + rajasthani-brahmin_harappa + tajik_yunusbayev @ 3.640092
    11 haryana-jatt_harappa + rajasthani-brahmin_harappa + sakilli_chaubey + tajik_yunusbayev @ 3.660164
    12 bihari-brahmin_harappa + rajasthani-brahmin_harappa + tajik_yunusbayev + tharu_reich @ 3.669989
    13 chamar_metspalu + haryana-jatt_harappa + rajasthani-brahmin_harappa + tajik_yunusbayev @ 3.670858
    14 punjabi-brahmin_harappa + rajasthani-brahmin_harappa + satnami_reich + tajik_yunusbayev @ 3.690960
    15 hakkipikki_metspalu + haryana-jatt_harappa + rajasthani-brahmin_harappa + tajik_yunusbayev @ 3.710116
    16 haryana-jatt_harappa + kamsali_reich + rajasthani-brahmin_harappa + tajik_yunusbayev @ 3.724117
    17 bihari-brahmin_harappa + chenchu_metspalu + haryana-jatt_harappa + tajik_yunusbayev @ 3.725865
    18 bhatia_harappa + chenchu_reich + nepalese-a_xing + tajik_yunusbayev @ 3.726654
    19 haryana-jatt_harappa + kurumba_reich + rajasthani-brahmin_harappa + tajik_yunusbayev @ 3.729880
    20 ap-mala_xing + haryana-jatt_harappa + rajasthani-brahmin_harappa + tajik_yunusbayev @ 3.730639
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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
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    It seems that south eastern most part of the cline is inhabited on the PCA by the Ami and Atayal.
    I read that these are Austronesian folk from Taiwan. Which means they must have belonged at one time to the beach combing belt of Asia - now islands from Sakhalin to N. Philippines. Could Tianyuan have belonged to this ancestral population?

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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    It seems that south eastern most part of the cline is inhabited on the PCA by the Ami and Atayal.
    I read that these are Austronesian folk from Taiwan. Which means they must have belonged at one time to the beach combing belt of Asia - now islands from Sakhalin to N. Philippines. Could Tianyuan have belonged to this ancestral population?
    Tianyuan is further up closer to Ust_ishim than these evolved branches in Austronesian




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    G25 Ancients Dist 1.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2 88.4 MAR_Taforalt 2.6NPL_Mebrak 5
    VK2020_SWE_Gotland_VA 4 Hidden Content

    Lactose Persistence rs3213871 rs4988243 rs4988183 rs3769005 rs2236783
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    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 40.49
    2 S-Indian 26.88
    3 Caucasian 14.68
    4 NE-Euro 9.07
    5 SW-Asian 2.34
    6 Mediterranean 1.73
    7 Siberian 1.66
    8 American 1.08
    9 San 1
    10 SE-Asian 0.64
    11 Beringian 0.3
    12 Papuan 0.14

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    Quote Originally Posted by scorpi786 View Post
    Hi, sorry to bother you but you seem like a knowledgeable person. My Y dna is L1A1. What can you tell me about its origins? I did some research they said could be native indus population. lol all these tests and just to find out what I already know that im Pakistani
    If you are able to do a deep yDna test and then YFull, it will identify your terminal subclade within L1a1 and place you on the YFull tree. That will trace your ancestral yDna line and show who are the people on that line closest to you (could be something unexpected). The caveat is, the L tree is not yet large so you might not have anyone too close to you in time on the tree, but tree can only grow and provide better info if more people do deep yDna tests.

    If you wish to spend less than a full yDna test, you can test with https://www.yseq.net/

    You can also do a full mtDna test of course.
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    Got another of my siblings tested 23 and me:

    Components %
    S-Indian 35.72
    Baloch 40.78
    Caucasian 9.26
    NE-Euro 7.26
    SE-Asian 0.00
    Siberian 1.67
    NE-Asian 1.58
    Papuan 0.00
    American 1.45
    Beringian 1.65
    Mediterranean 0.00
    SW-Asian 0.00
    San 0.00
    E-African 0.00
    Pygmy 0.00
    W-African 0.63

    Oracle Calculator by www.dnagenics.com
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    Finished reading population data. 536 populations found.
    16 components mode.

    A distance calculation method.

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    Mixed Mode:
    1 59.77% gujarati + 40.23% kalash @ 2.032
    2 81.64% kashmiri-pandit + 18.36% gujarati-a @ 2.152
    3 51.95% bhatia + 48.05% rajasthani @ 2.199
    4 82.42% kashmiri-pandit + 17.58% gujarati-patel @ 2.247
    5 52.73% Punjabi_No_caste + 47.27% Gujrati_Khoja_Sheikh @ 2.248
    6 81.64% kashmiri-pandit + 18.36% gujarati-a @ 2.280
    7 50.39% rajasthani + 49.61% bhatia @ 2.318
    8 50.39% Gujrati_Khoja_Sheikh + 49.61% Punjabi_No_caste @ 2.358
    9 63.67% pathan + 36.33% SiS_BA3 @ 2.399
    10 50.39% gujarati-patel + 49.61% Chitral_Nuristani @ 2.402

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 populations approximation
    1 100% kashmiri-pahari @ 3.526
    2 100% punjabi-ramgarhia @ 3.728
    3 100% singapore-indian-c @ 4.204
    4 100% Punjabi_Pahari_Rajput @ 4.388
    5 100% punjabi-brahmin @ 4.417
    6 100% Pakistani_Kashmiri @ 4.595
    7 100% Punjabi_Jatt_Pansota @ 4.640
    8 100% Punjabi_Jatt_Balham @ 4.661
    9 100% punjabi @ 4.695
    10 100% Gujarati_Brahmin_Average @ 4.793

    Using 2 populations approximation
    1 50% bhatia + 50% rajasthani @ 2.286
    2 50% Punjabi_No_caste + 50% Gujrati_Khoja_Sheikh @ 2.334
    3 50% gujarati-patel + 50% Chitral_Nuristani @ 2.398
    4 50% brahmin-tamil-nadu + 50% bhatia @ 2.490
    5 50% Gujrati_Khoja_Sheikh + 50% Rajasthan_Jaipur_Rajput_Chauhan @ 2.557
    6 50% South_Indian_Brahmin + 50% bhatia @ 2.581
    7 50% Gujrati_Khoja_Sheikh + 50% bihari-muslim @ 2.618
    8 50% maharashtrian + 50% bhatia @ 2.626
    9 50% bhatia + 50% goan @ 2.674
    10 50% gujarati-a + 50% Chitral_Nuristani @ 2.676

    Using 3 populations approximation
    1 33% Gujjar_No_Caste + 33% Jammu_Kashmir_Brahmin + 33% meena @ 2.425
    2 33% kashmiri-pandit + 33% kashmiri-pandit + 33% meena @ 2.444
    3 33% Gujjar_No_Caste + 33% Gujjar_No_Caste + 33% up-kshatriya @ 2.501
    4 33% Gujjar_No_Caste + 33% Gujjar_No_Caste + 33% brahmin-uttar-pradesh @ 2.520
    5 33% gujar-pakistan + 33% gujar-pakistan + 33% gujarati @ 2.546
    6 33% sindhi2 + 33% Punjabi_Jatt_Nagra + 33% goan @ 2.584
    7 33% bhatia + 33% bhatia + 33% sinhalese @ 2.594
    8 33% Gujjar_No_Caste + 33% Gujjar_No_Caste + 33% gujarati-b @ 2.596
    9 33% bhatia + 33% bhatia + 33% kurumba1 @ 2.624
    10 33% gujarati-b + 33% gujarati-b + 33% kalash @ 2.644

    Using 4 populations approximation
    1 25% kerala-nair + 25% kerala-nair + 25% burusho + 25% kalash @ 2.111
    2 25% bhatia + 25% bhatia + 25% goan + 25% rajasthani @ 2.295
    3 25% kalash + 25% kalash + 25% bihari + 25% gujarati-a @ 2.311
    4 25% Gujjar_No_Caste + 25% Gujjar_No_Caste + 25% Jammu_Kashmir_Brahmin + 25% gujarati-b @ 2.383
    5 25% Gujjar_No_Caste + 25% Gujjar_No_Caste + 25% Jammu_Kashmir_Brahmin + 25% gujarati @ 2.387
    6 25% gujarati-patel + 25% gujarati-patel + 25% Chitral_Nuristani + 25% Chitral_Nuristani @ 2.398
    7 25% kalash + 25% kalash + 25% bihari + 25% gujarati-a @ 2.422
    8 25% bhatia + 25% bhatia + 25% goan + 25% up @ 2.433
    9 25% kerala-nair + 25% kerala-nair + 25% burusho + 25% nuristani @ 2.436
    10 25% Gujjar_No_Caste + 25% Gujjar_No_Caste + 25% Gujjar_No_Caste + 25% oriya @ 2.478


    other sibling:

    Components %
    S-Indian 33.57
    Baloch 39.92
    Caucasian 9.98
    NE-Euro 6.99
    SE-Asian 0.00
    Siberian 3.83
    NE-Asian 0.14
    Papuan 0.00
    American 0.32
    Beringian 2.01
    Mediterranean 2.78
    SW-Asian 0.00
    San 0.00
    E-African 0.46
    Pygmy 0.00
    W-African 0.00

    and me;


    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 39.37
    2 S-Indian 35.17
    3 Caucasian 9.92
    4 NE-Euro 9.3
    5 NE-Asian 2.47
    6 American 1.43
    7 Siberian 1.29
    8 SW-Asian 0.53
    9 Papuan 0.52

    anyone know where i can get g25 other than david ???
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