South Asian HarappaWorld results

[Kirtan24]

I was about to get to you about these kits. The matches are full of Patels and even Gandhi/Modi. They all score similarly. I'll send you the kit.

Thanks for the kit, looks definitely like a mixed bunch, most probably with Brahmins. Here are some unusual matches of this person:


Patel

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baloch 39.12
2 S-Indian 35.08
3 Caucasian 10.33
4 NE-Euro 9.16
5 American 2.02
6 NE-Asian 1.47
7 Mediterranean 1.44
8 Beringian 0.9
9 SW-Asian 0.49

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 2.46
2 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 2.82
3 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 3.21
4 punjabi (harappa) 3.48
5 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 3.63
6 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 3.78
7 up-muslim (harappa) 5.62
8 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 5.9
9 kashmiri (harappa) 6.56
10 punjabi-arain (xing) 6.71
11 nepalese-a (xing) 6.78
12 up-brahmin (harappa) 6.8
13 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 7
14 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 7.36
15 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 7.63
16 brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) 9.11
17 sindhi (harappa) 9.27
18 sindhi (hgdp) 9.53
19 gujarati-b (hapmap) 9.98
20 bengali-brahmin (harappa) 10.08

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.3% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 11.7% cochin-jew (behar) @ 1.63
2 94.4% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 5.6% chenchu (metspalu) @ 1.66
3 91.5% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 8.5% sri-lankan (harappa) @ 1.66
4 90.9% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 9.1% ap-hyderabad (harappa) @ 1.67
5 91.5% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 8.5% kerala-muslim (harappa) @ 1.69
6 91.2% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 8.8% caribbean-indian (harappa) @ 1.74
7 89.7% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 10.3% kerala-christian (harappa) @ 1.75
8 94.2% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 5.8% hallaki (reich) @ 1.75
9 91.9% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 8.1% tamil (harappa) @ 1.75
10 95.3% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 4.7% tamil-vishwakarma (harappa) @ 1.76
11 95% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 5% satnami (reich) @ 1.76
12 91.7% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 8.3% bengali (harappa) @ 1.76
13 95.7% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 4.3% kurumba (reich) @ 1.77
14 94.9% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 5.1% kamsali (reich) @ 1.77
15 97.1% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 2.9% pulliyar (metspalu) @ 1.77
16 92.3% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 7.7% andhra-pradesh (harappa) @ 1.77
17 95.6% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 4.4% north-kannadi (chaubey) @ 1.77
18 90.7% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 9.3% bihari (harappa) @ 1.77
19 95.2% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 4.8% sakilli (chaubey) @ 1.78
20 95.5% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 4.5% ap-madiga (xing) @ 1.78

Patel:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baloch 38.13
2 S-Indian 36.75
3 Caucasian 9.99
4 NE-Euro 9.5
5 SW-Asian 1.44
6 Beringian 1.32
7 Mediterranean 1.15
8 SE-Asian 0.97
9 American 0.72
10 E-African 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 3.77
2 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 3.98
3 punjabi (harappa) 4.41
4 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 4.63
5 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 4.73
6 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 5.11
7 up-brahmin (harappa) 5.21
8 up-muslim (harappa) 5.25
9 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 6.58
10 nepalese-a (xing) 7.3
11 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 7.36
12 brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) 7.56
13 kashmiri (harappa) 8.1
14 punjabi-arain (xing) 8.22
15 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 8.5
16 bengali-brahmin (harappa) 8.51
17 gujarati-b (hapmap) 8.64
18 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 8.81
19 bihari-muslim (harappa) 8.99
20 vaish (reich) 9.4

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.9% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 9.1% gond (metspalu) @ 1.37
2 87.9% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 12.1% tharu (reich) @ 1.4
3 93.1% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 6.9% asur (chaubey) @ 1.41
4 92.4% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 7.6% nihali (metspalu) @ 1.42
5 93.3% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 6.7% santhal (reich) @ 1.42
6 90% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 10% satnami (reich) @ 1.44
7 53.3% punjabi-khatri (harappa) + 46.7% up-kshatriya (metspalu) @ 1.45
8 58.5% punjabi-khatri (harappa) + 41.5% iyengar-brahmin (harappa) @ 1.48
9 91.9% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 8.1% sahariya (reich) @ 1.51
10 50.4% punjabi-khatri (harappa) + 49.6% gujarati-b (hapmap) @ 1.52
11 93.7% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 6.3% irula (xing) @ 1.53
12 91.4% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 8.6% chenchu (reich) @ 1.54
13 67.7% punjabi-khatri (harappa) + 32.3% dharkar (metspalu) @ 1.54
14 91.4% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 8.6% kurumba (reich) @ 1.56
15 91.2% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 8.8% hakkipikki (metspalu) @ 1.56
16 91.7% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 8.3% ap-mala (xing) @ 1.58
17 53.6% punjabi-khatri (harappa) + 46.4% meghawal (reich) @ 1.59
18 57.9% punjabi-khatri (harappa) + 42.1% iyer-brahmin (harappa) @ 1.62
19 91.3% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 8.7% north-kannadi (chaubey) @ 1.62
20 91.9% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 8.1% mala (reich) @ 1.63

Also, one of their matches has the surname "Kalyan". Is it a Jat clan? They score more like an SI-shifted Sindhi/Lohana.

Kalyan

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baloch 40.69
2 S-Indian 34.95
3 Caucasian 10.23
4 NE-Euro 5.74
5 SW-Asian 2.74
6 American 1.93
7 Papuan 1.67
8 Mediterranean 1.17
9 NE-Asian 0.48
10 Beringian 0.23
11 W-African 0.17

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 3.85
2 punjabi (harappa) 4.27
3 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 4.77
4 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 4.87
5 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 5.45
6 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 5.52
7 punjabi-arain (xing) 5.57
8 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 5.77
9 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 6.09
10 up-muslim (harappa) 6.94
11 sindhi (hgdp) 7.81
12 kashmiri (harappa) 7.89
13 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 8.73
14 up-brahmin (harappa) 9.1
15 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 9.13
16 sindhi (harappa) 9.27
17 nepalese-a (xing) 9.68
18 gujarati-b (hapmap) 10.3
19 brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) 11.19
20 meghawal (reich) 11.38

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 91.9% punjabi-arain (xing) + 8.1% pulliyar (metspalu) @ 2.3
2 71.8% punjabi-arain (xing) + 28.2% cochin-jew (behar) @ 2.31
3 91.9% punjabi-arain (xing) + 8.1% irula (xing) @ 2.34
4 88.5% sindhi (hgdp) + 11.5% pulliyar (metspalu) @ 2.4
5 55.3% bhatia (harappa) + 44.7% kerala-christian (harappa) @ 2.41
6 92.1% punjabi-arain (xing) + 7.9% paniya (chaubey) @ 2.41
7 88.5% sindhi (hgdp) + 11.5% irula (xing) @ 2.47
8 74.2% punjabi-arain (xing) + 25.8% kerala-christian (harappa) @ 2.48
9 70% sindhi (harappa) + 30% gujarati-patel (harappa) @ 2.58
10 88.6% punjabi-arain (xing) + 11.4% kurumba (reich) @ 2.58
11 88.8% sindhi (hgdp) + 11.2% paniya (chaubey) @ 2.61
12 78.6% punjabi-arain (xing) + 21.4% ap-hyderabad (harappa) @ 2.62
13 88.5% punjabi-arain (xing) + 11.5% north-kannadi (chaubey) @ 2.63
14 88.5% punjabi-arain (xing) + 11.5% hakkipikki (metspalu) @ 2.63
15 87.7% punjabi-arain (xing) + 12.3% tamil-vishwakarma (harappa) @ 2.7
16 59.7% sindhi (harappa) + 40.3% kerala-nair (harappa) @ 2.7
17 79.8% punjabi-arain (xing) + 20.2% tamil (harappa) @ 2.71
18 68.4% sindhi (harappa) + 31.6% gujarati-a (1000genomes) @ 2.71
19 79.5% punjabi-arain (xing) + 20.5% kerala-muslim (harappa) @ 2.71
20 89.1% punjabi-arain (xing) + 10.9% tn-dalit (xing) @ 2.74

Kalyan (above's top match)

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baloch 38.96
2 S-Indian 33.72
3 Caucasian 13.41
4 NE-Euro 5.36
5 SW-Asian 2.69
6 American 1.7
7 NE-Asian 1.65
8 Papuan 1.38
9 Beringian 1.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 3.58
2 punjabi (harappa) 4.2
3 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 4.77
4 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 4.87
5 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 5.42
6 kashmiri (harappa) 5.57
7 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 6.21
8 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 6.3
9 up-muslim (harappa) 6.48
10 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 7
11 punjabi-arain (xing) 7.11
12 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 7.11
13 sindhi (harappa) 7.85
14 sindhi (hgdp) 9.05
15 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 9.33
16 nepalese-a (xing) 10.82
17 up-brahmin (harappa) 10.93
18 pathan (hgdp) 11.69
19 bhatia (harappa) 11.74
20 burusho (hgdp) 12.57

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 66.3% gujarati-muslim (harappa) + 33.7% kashmiri-pahari (harappa) @ 2.65
2 63.2% gujarati-muslim (harappa) + 36.8% kashmiri-pandit (reich) @ 2.77
3 71.2% gujarati-muslim (harappa) + 28.8% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) @ 2.78
4 58.9% gujarati-muslim (harappa) + 41.1% punjabi (harappa) @ 2.87
5 75.3% gujarati-muslim (harappa) + 24.7% punjabi-arain (xing) @ 2.87
6 72.5% gujarati-muslim (harappa) + 27.5% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) @ 2.88
7 53.3% kalash (hgdp) + 46.7% kerala-christian (harappa) @ 2.93
8 76% gujarati-muslim (harappa) + 24% punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) @ 2.97
9 68% sindhi (harappa) + 32% kerala-christian (harappa) @ 3
10 82% gujarati-muslim (harappa) + 18% sindhi (hgdp) @ 3.05
11 72.5% sindhi (harappa) + 27.5% ap-hyderabad (harappa) @ 3.15
12 76.2% sindhi (harappa) + 23.8% velama (reich) @ 3.15
13 87.1% gujarati-muslim (harappa) + 12.9% bhatia (harappa) @ 3.16
14 75.1% sindhi (harappa) + 24.9% karnataka (harappa) @ 3.16
15 59.8% kalash (hgdp) + 40.2% kerala-muslim (harappa) @ 3.17
16 78.2% sindhi (harappa) + 21.8% tamil-nadu-scheduled-caste (metspalu) @ 3.17
17 80.4% sindhi (harappa) + 19.6% piramalai-kallar (metspalu) @ 3.18
18 78.2% sindhi (harappa) + 21.8% tamil-vellalar (harappa) @ 3.19
19 89% gujarati-muslim (harappa) + 11% gujarati-b (hapmap) @ 3.24
20 78.7% sindhi (harappa) + 21.3% tamil-nadar (harappa) @ 3.24

[Kirtan24]

I was about to get to you about these kits. The matches are full of Patels and even Gandhi/Modi. They all score similarly. I'll send you the kit.

Also, what really perplexes me are the following matches of this person:

Gajjar (Gujarati Suthar, i.e. potters). Scores like a Punjabi/lower-SI Gujarati Brahmin:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baloch 40.92
2 S-Indian 34.97
3 Caucasian 9.77
4 NE-Euro 8.44
5 Siberian 1.54
6 SW-Asian 1.32
7 SE-Asian 1.06
8 Beringian 0.86
9 NE-Asian 0.67
10 Papuan 0.38
11 American 0.06

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baloch 40.27
2 S-Indian 34.99
3 Caucasian 9.49
4 NE-Euro 8.35
5 SW-Asian 3.26
6 Siberian 1.3
7 SE-Asian 1.28
8 Mediterranean 0.66
9 Papuan 0.22
10 Beringian 0.2

Gandhi - Gujarati Vaniya, but looks very atypical.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 S-Indian 38.81
2 Baloch 36.26
3 Caucasian 10.71
4 NE-Euro 10.36
5 Siberian 1.06
6 Papuan 0.96
7 American 0.75
8 Beringian 0.66
9 SW-Asian 0.33
10 SE-Asian 0.07
11 NE-Asian 0.03

All in all these kits look all over the place. I am not sure what to make of it. If they are really mixed with Brahmins/Lohanas/Sindhis, then I wonder why these are not popping up in their matches.

[preetam]

Also, what really perplexes me are the following matches of this person:

Gajjar (Gujarati Suthar, i.e. potters). Scores like a Punjabi/lower-SI Gujarati Brahmin:





Gandhi - Gujarati Vaniya, but looks very atypical.



All in all these kits look all over the place. I am not sure what to make of it. If they are really mixed with Brahmins/Lohanas/Sindhis, then I wonder why these are not popping up in their matches.

Gajjar is separate caste than suthar.
Suthar in gujrat called suthar

[preetam]

Also, what really perplexes me are the following matches of this person:

Gajjar (Gujarati Suthar, i.e. potters). Scores like a Punjabi/lower-SI Gujarati Brahmin:





Gandhi - Gujarati Vaniya, but looks very atypical.



All in all these kits look all over the place. I am not sure what to make of it. If they are really mixed with Brahmins/Lohanas/Sindhis, then I wonder why these are not popping up in their matches.

Gujarat's caste system is weird....
They're not much rigid for caste as rajasthani punjabi or haryanvi.
They're liberal type people if we compare to other north indians.... so intercaste marriages are not rare there

[Kirtan24]

Gajjar is separate caste than suthar.
Suthar in gujrat called suthar

Bro Gajjars are a subcaste of Suthars.https://www.1samaj.in/groups/profile...r-gajjar-samaj

And to answer your previous question about Rabari samples, I don't think we have any, unfortunately. I have been looking for the same since long.

[preetam]

Bro Gajjars are a subcaste of Suthars.https://www.1samaj.in/groups/profile...r-gajjar-samaj

And to answer your previous question about Rabari samples, I don't think we have any, unfortunately. I have been looking for the same since long.

Ok
Baloch is high
But they could fit in brahmin profiles?
If they're then their brahmin claim is right
In rajasthan suthar/jangid claim themselves brahmain they use sharma too but brahmins decline their claim

[preetam]

Bro Gajjars are a subcaste of Suthars.https://www.1samaj.in/groups/profile...r-gajjar-samaj

And to answer your previous question about Rabari samples, I don't think we have any, unfortunately. I have been looking for the same since long.

Are Suthar/khati/badhai are same caste as ramghariya/tarkhan of punjab or not?

[preetam]

Punjabi Tarkhan:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baloch 38.31
2 S-Indian 31.94
3 Caucasian 12.66
4 NE-Euro 9.78
5 Mediterranean 1.96
6 SW-Asian 1.4
7 Siberian 1.17
8 Beringian 1
9 American 0.87
10 NE-Asian 0.47
11 Papuan 0.44

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 2.16
2 punjabi (harappa) 2.93
3 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 3.37
4 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 3.5
5 kashmiri (harappa) 3.79
6 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 4.02
7 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 4.24
8 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 4.85
9 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 5.23
10 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 5.41
11 up-muslim (harappa) 5.63
12 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 5.8
13 sindhi (harappa) 6.17
14 punjabi-arain (xing) 6.52
15 nepalese-a (xing) 8.2
16 sindhi (hgdp) 9.01
17 pathan (hgdp) 9.11
18 haryana-jatt (harappa) 9.41
19 up-brahmin (harappa) 9.45
20 bhatia (harappa) 9.73

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 94.3% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 5.7% cypriot (behar) @ 0.86
2 94.2% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 5.8% lebanese-druze (haber) @ 0.94
3 94.3% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 5.7% lebanese-christian (haber) @ 0.95
4 93.9% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 6.1% lebanese-muslim (haber) @ 0.96
5 93.4% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 6.6% turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) @ 1
6 92.9% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 7.1% turkish (harappa) @ 1
7 94.8% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 5.2% druze (hgdp) @ 1.03
8 93.9% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 6.1% lebanese (behar) @ 1.05
9 93.4% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 6.6% turk (behar) @ 1.06
10 94.1% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 5.9% georgia-jew (behar) @ 1.12
11 93.3% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 6.7% turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) @ 1.12
12 94.1% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 5.9% azerbaijan-jew (behar) @ 1.13
13 94.8% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 5.2% samaritian (behar) @ 1.14
14 94.1% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 5.9% iraq-jew (behar) @ 1.15
15 93.9% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 6.1% syrian (behar) @ 1.16
16 94% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 6% assyrian (harappa) @ 1.16
17 93% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 7% azeri (harappa) @ 1.16
18 93.4% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 6.6% uzbekistan-jew (behar) @ 1.17
19 93.8% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 6.2% palestinian (harappa) @ 1.18
20 93% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 7% iraqi-arab (harappa) @ 1.18

This tarkhan sample is similar to that gajjar sample......
Are they same?
Both have same occupation

[Kirtan24]

Ok
Baloch is high
But they could fit in brahmin profiles?
If they're then their brahmin claim is right
In rajasthan suthar/jangid claim themselves brahmain they use sharma too but brahmins decline their claim

Yeah Gujarati Brahmins score high (37-38+) Baloch. Here is my cousin (Pandya):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baloch 41.04
2 S-Indian 35.64
3 NE-Euro 10.31
4 Caucasian 6.32
5 Siberian 2.87
6 SW-Asian 2.28
7 Papuan 1.32
8 American 0.22

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 4.15
2 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 4.76
3 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 5.51
4 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 5.55
5 punjabi (harappa) 5.98
6 nepalese-a (xing) 6.23
7 up-brahmin (harappa) 6.26
8 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 7.1
9 punjabi-arain (xing) 7.51
10 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 8.28
11 up-muslim (harappa) 8.45
12 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 8.56
13 brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) 8.6
14 gujarati-b (hapmap) 9.12
15 sindhi (hgdp) 9.69
16 bengali-brahmin (harappa) 10.08
17 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 10.21
18 vaish (reich) 10.32
19 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 10.36
20 kashmiri (harappa) 10.39

I am not sure if Gujarati Suthars are related to Khati/Jangid of Rajasthan/Punjab/HP. If these Gajjar kits are indeed unmixed, then they could be. We would need more samples to verify this.

[Koonger]

Thanks for the kit, looks definitely like a mixed bunch, most probably with Brahmins. Here are some unusual matches of this person:


Patel


Patel:


Also, one of their matches has the surname "Kalyan". Is it a Jat clan? They score more like an SI-shifted Sindhi/Lohana.

Kalyan


Kalyan (above's top match)

Kalyan is a tarkhan clan in punjab. These samples look like from punjab. Though we have few haryanvi ror/jat with Kalyan sirname