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    Quote Originally Posted by VoodooKing View Post
    You are right on first but not correct on second. Khaati is a separate community comes under obc, matches means nothing. That doesn't mean the Sharma who is brahmin and khaati guy belong to same community. Khaati are caste similar to Punjabi Ramgariha ( an occupational based carpentry community). Historically, either they might have been Brahmin ( probably Saraswat or who knows some other sect) took to different profession under various circumstances or could be some other reasons. Point here was on the samples's present community.
    Quote Originally Posted by VoodooKing View Post
    Have you contacted the first sample? If yes then it is a khaati-jangid sample from Rajasthan and not a Rajasthani brahmin. I would request you to write that in bracket, so that it becomes easier for anyone going through it. Looks like Khaati-jangid-suthar follow similar pattern to Punjabi Tarkhan/Ramgariha in their state of Rajasthan. Very very interesting ! I had once said to a friend that suthar, khati, jangid can score different to general perception.
    Interesting. Internet searches showed Vishwakarma Brahmin and the kit looked ditto Brahmin+Sharma title; so wrote. I was also surprised how a Vishwakarma (occupational caste) was referred as a Brahmin; is this also called "Kaami" (occupational/metalsmith caste) like Monkeydluffy says Punjabi Tarkhans are also called "Kaami" in Punjab? In Nepal, "Vishwakarma" and "Kaami" are synonymous word for the same metalsmith caste- weaponry, jewellers/goldsmiths and metal workers. I wonder if this same pattern continues for "Kaami caste" from Nepal compared to Nepali Brahmins?? How do they score ditto? Do these occupational caste have a direct or shared ancestry with Brahmins of their regions??


    Btw, how do you write/pronounce Khaati -->खाती?? Surprisingly, "Khaati (खाती)" is a Kshatriya (Chhetri) name in Nepal rather than Brahmins or occupational castes.
    Last edited by Kaazi; 08-19-2022 at 12:02 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaazi View Post
    Interesting. Internet searches showed Vishwakarma Brahmin and the kit looked ditto Brahmin+Sharma title; so wrote. I was also surprised how a Vishwakarma (occupational caste) was referred as a Brahmin; is this also called "Kaami" (occupational/metalsmith caste) like Monkeydluffy says Punjabi Tarkhans are also called "Kaami" in Punjab? In Nepal, "Vishwakarma" and "Kaami" are synonymous word for the same metalsmith caste- weaponry, jewellers/goldsmiths and metal workers. I wonder if this same pattern continues for "Kaami caste" from Nepal compared to Nepali Brahmins?? How do they score ditto? Do these occupational caste have a direct or shared ancestry with Brahmins of their regions??


    Btw, how do you write/pronounce Khaati -->खाती?? Surprisingly, "Khaati (खाती)" is a Kshatriya (Chhetri) name in Nepal rather than Brahmins or occupational castes.
    Khaati word similarity 1000 km apart doesn't mean same. The word khaati would be in many community of different region but the context would be different. It is the context that can give some idea
    Last edited by VoodooKing; 08-19-2022 at 12:49 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaazi View Post
    Interesting. Internet searches showed Vishwakarma Brahmin and the kit looked ditto Brahmin+Sharma title; so wrote. I was also surprised how a Vishwakarma (occupational caste) was referred as a Brahmin; is this also called "Kaami" (occupational/metalsmith caste) like Monkeydluffy says Punjabi Tarkhans are also called "Kaami" in Punjab? In Nepal, "Vishwakarma" and "Kaami" are synonymous word for the same metalsmith caste- weaponry, jewellers/goldsmiths and metal workers. I wonder if this same pattern continues for "Kaami caste" from Nepal compared to Nepali Brahmins?? How do they score ditto? Do these occupational caste have a direct or shared ancestry with Brahmins of their regions??


    Btw, how do you write/pronounce Khaati -->खाती?? Surprisingly, "Khaati (खाती)" is a Kshatriya (Chhetri) name in Nepal rather than Brahmins or occupational castes.
    I don't think so in east it would be same, various results in some papers gives the idea of it. It is mostly related to Saraswat Brahmin case.
    I had once told a friend that if Ramgariha are scoring same to Punjabi Brahmin, Khati-Suthar-Jangid of RJ- portion of GUJ, HR can also do it wrt Brahmin of their belt ( got to do with Saraswat Brahmin).
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    Last name : Sen ( Bengali Kayastha ???? ) ( Just a guess here)
    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 S-Indian 49.52
    2 Baloch 27.95
    3 NE-Euro 7.61
    4 NE-Asian 4.01
    5 Caucasian 2.95
    6 SE-Asian 2.22
    7 SW-Asian 1.9
    8 American 1.51
    9 Mediterranean 1.14
    10 Beringian 0.67
    11 W-African 0.53

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 caribbean-indian (harappa) 4.75
    2 bihari (harappa) 5
    3 sri-lankan (harappa) 5.43
    4 bengali (harappa) 6.16
    5 srivastava (reich) 6.33
    6 up-muslim (metspalu) 6.83
    7 up (harappa) 6.84
    8 kerala-muslim (harappa) 7.14
    9 dharkar (metspalu) 8
    10 ap-hyderabad (harappa) 8
    11 kanjar (metspalu) 8.05
    12 tharu (metspalu) 8.1
    13 ap-brahmin (xing) 8.41
    14 bihari-muslim (harappa) 8.45
    15 karnataka-brahmin (harappa) 8.48
    16 rajasthani (harappa) 8.75
    17 andhra-pradesh (harappa) 8.82
    18 singapore-indian-b (sgvp) 8.91
    19 tamil (harappa) 8.93
    20 maharashtrian (harappa) 9.13

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 54.7% nepalese-a (xing) + 45.3% chenchu (reich) @ 3.23
    2 70.7% bengali-brahmin (harappa) + 29.3% chenchu (reich) @ 3.29
    3 96.2% caribbean-indian (harappa) + 3.8% chinese-american (hapmap) @ 3.38
    4 96.2% caribbean-indian (harappa) + 3.8% tujia (hgdp) @ 3.39
    5 96.3% caribbean-indian (harappa) + 3.7% chinese-beijing (1000genomes) @ 3.39
    6 96.2% caribbean-indian (harappa) + 3.8% han (hgdp) @ 3.39
    7 96.2% caribbean-indian (harappa) + 3.8% han-chinese-south (1000genomes) @ 3.39
    8 52.4% satnami (reich) + 47.6% nepalese-a (xing) @ 3.4
    9 96.1% caribbean-indian (harappa) + 3.9% chinese (xing) @ 3.4
    10 96.2% caribbean-indian (harappa) + 3.8% she (hgdp) @ 3.4
    11 96.1% caribbean-indian (harappa) + 3.9% yi (hgdp) @ 3.41
    12 94.7% caribbean-indian (harappa) + 5.3% garo (chaubey) @ 3.41
    13 96.2% caribbean-indian (harappa) + 3.8% singapore-chinese (sgvp) @ 3.41
    14 96.3% caribbean-indian (harappa) + 3.7% han-nchina (hgdp) @ 3.42
    15 96.1% caribbean-indian (harappa) + 3.9% naxi (hgdp) @ 3.42
    16 96.1% caribbean-indian (harappa) + 3.9% miao (hgdp) @ 3.43
    17 94.1% caribbean-indian (harappa) + 5.9% nepalese-b (xing) @ 3.43
    18 96.1% caribbean-indian (harappa) + 3.9% tu (hgdp) @ 3.44
    19 94.7% caribbean-indian (harappa) + 5.3% burmanese (chaubey) @ 3.45
    20 96.3% caribbean-indian (harappa) + 3.7% japanese (hgdp) @ 3.46
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaazi View Post
    I was also surprised how a Vishwakarma (occupational caste) was referred as a Brahmin;.
    Well, this is a case of sanskritisation. Just like many castes which started claiming kshatriya descent during the colonial censuses for various reasons, vishwakarma(carpenter, ironsmith based occupational groups) communities across India started claiming brahmin descent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaazi View Post
    Rajasthani Jangid Vishwakarma from Jaipur (Upmanyu) 163847 SNPs used in this evaluation mt-dna: M30c, y-haplo: F
    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 38.96
    2 S-Indian 33.53
    3 NE-Euro 10.48
    4 Caucasian 10.37
    5 Mediterranean 2.32
    6 Beringian 1.28
    7 SE-Asian 1.01
    8 SW-Asian 0.88
    9 Papuan 0.54
    10 NE-Asian 0.52
    11 San 0.11

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 2.5
    2 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 2.51
    3 punjabi (harappa) 3.29
    4 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 3.59
    5 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 3.82
    6 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 3.86
    7 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 4.8
    8 up-muslim (harappa) 5.73
    9 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 5.88
    10 kashmiri (harappa) 6.36
    11 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 6.37
    12 punjabi-arain (xing) 6.49
    13 nepalese-a (xing) 6.67
    14 up-brahmin (harappa) 7.18
    15 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 7.18
    16 sindhi (harappa) 8.26
    17 sindhi (hgdp) 9.15
    18 haryana-jatt (harappa) 9.6
    19 brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) 9.88
    20 bhatia (harappa) 10.78

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 94% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 6% romanian-b (behar) @ 1.46
    2 96.8% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 3.2% tuscan (1000genomes) @ 1.7
    3 96.8% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 3.2% bulgarian (yunusbayev) @ 1.71
    4 96.9% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 3.1% italian (hgdp) @ 1.73
    5 96.7% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 3.3% romanian-a (behar) @ 1.73
    6 96.7% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 3.3% ashkenazi (harappa) @ 1.75
    7 96.8% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 3.2% ashkenazy-jew (behar) @ 1.79
    8 97.7% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 2.3% sardinian (hgdp) @ 1.85
    9 97% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 3% sephardic-jew (behar) @ 1.86
    10 97.8% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 2.2% sardinian (hgdp) @ 1.87
    11 97.4% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 2.6% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 1.88
    12 97.1% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 2.9% morocco-jew (behar) @ 1.88
    13 97.3% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 2.7% hungarian (behar) @ 1.9
    14 97.3% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 2.7% slovenian (xing) @ 1.9
    15 97.3% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 2.7% cypriot (behar) @ 1.91
    16 97.8% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 2.2% tunisia (henn2012) @ 1.91
    17 97.3% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 2.7% french (hgdp) @ 1.91
    18 97.7% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 2.3% morocco-n (henn2012) @ 1.92
    19 97.5% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 2.5% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 1.94
    20 96.8% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 3.2% turk-aydin (hodoglugil) @ 1.95


    Rajasthani Saraswat Brahmin (Sharma (Vashishtha gotra) dad from Jaipur/mom from Bharatpur) 52859 SNPs used in this evaluation y-haplo: J-L24, mt haplo: W1c
    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 36.74
    2 S-Indian 36.07
    3 NE-Euro 11.14
    4 Caucasian 11.09
    5 Mediterranean 2.11
    6 Beringian 1.38
    7 American 1.05
    8 SW-Asian 0.28
    9 Siberian 0.14

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 4.1
    2 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 5.01
    3 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 5.13
    4 up-muslim (harappa) 5.19
    5 punjabi (harappa) 5.26
    6 up-brahmin (harappa) 5.77
    7 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 5.89
    8 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 6.03
    9 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 6.82
    10 nepalese-a (xing) 7.23
    11 kashmiri (harappa) 7.46
    12 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 7.84
    13 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 8
    14 brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) 8.01
    15 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 8.36
    16 bengali-brahmin (harappa) 9.07
    17 punjabi-arain (xing) 9.34
    18 bihari-muslim (harappa) 9.76
    19 vaish (reich) 10.18
    20 gujarati-b (hapmap) 10.29

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 92.3% up-brahmin (harappa) + 7.7% georgian (behar) @ 1.81
    2 92% up-brahmin (harappa) + 8% abhkasian (yunusbayev) @ 1.81
    3 81.8% gujarati-b (hapmap) + 18.2% urkarah (xing) @ 1.87
    4 81.5% gujarati-b (hapmap) + 18.5% stalskoe (xing) @ 2.02
    5 91.3% up-brahmin (harappa) + 8.7% armenian (behar) @ 2.03
    6 50.6% punjabi-khatri (harappa) + 49.4% brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) @ 2.1
    7 89.7% up-brahmin (harappa) + 10.3% kurd (yunusbayev) @ 2.13
    8 91.1% up-brahmin (harappa) + 8.9% adygei (hgdp) @ 2.17
    9 94% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 6% irula (xing) @ 2.19
    10 91.1% up-brahmin (harappa) + 8.9% north-ossetian (yunusbayev) @ 2.19
    11 89.8% up-brahmin (harappa) + 10.2% lezgin (behar) @ 2.2
    12 89.7% up-brahmin (harappa) + 10.3% kurd (xing) @ 2.23
    13 56.9% punjabi-khatri (harappa) + 43.1% vaish (reich) @ 2.24
    14 90.5% up-brahmin (harappa) + 9.5% chechen (yunusbayev) @ 2.25
    15 94.2% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 5.8% pulliyar (metspalu) @ 2.27
    16 91% up-brahmin (harappa) + 9% balkar (yunusbayev) @ 2.27
    17 88.8% up-brahmin (harappa) + 11.2% iranian (harappa) @ 2.28
    18 90.1% up-brahmin (harappa) + 9.9% kumyk (yunusbayev) @ 2.32
    19 81.1% up-kshatriya (metspalu) + 18.9% urkarah (xing) @ 2.33
    20 89.9% up-brahmin (harappa) + 10.1% azeri (harappa) @ 2.35

     

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 36.74
    2 S-Indian 36.07
    3 NE-Euro 11.14
    4 Caucasian 11.09
    5 Mediterranean 2.11
    6 Beringian 1.38
    7 American 1.05


    Finished reading population data. 377 populations found.
    16 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 punjabi-brahmin_harappa @ 4.495478
    2 singapore-indian-c_sgvp @ 5.491072
    3 up-muslim_harappa @ 5.572036
    4 kashmiri-pandit_reich @ 5.603673
    5 punjabi_harappa @ 5.704120
    6 rajasthani-brahmin_harappa @ 6.010668
    7 up-brahmin_harappa @ 6.395309
    8 punjabi-ramgarhia_harappa @ 6.458828
    9 kashmiri-pahari_harappa @ 6.606987
    10 pushtikar-brahmin_harappa @ 6.892778
    11 punjabi-jatt-muslim_harappa @ 7.319284
    12 bihari-brahmin_harappa @ 7.685260
    13 nepali_harappa @ 7.704557
    14 nepalese-a_xing @ 7.896502
    15 kashmiri_harappa @ 8.170032
    16 punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 8.631877
    17 gujarati-muslim_harappa @ 8.709626
    18 brahmin-uttar-pradesh_metspalu @ 8.907439
    19 punjabi-jatt-sikh_harappa @ 9.179282
    20 bengali-brahmin_harappa @ 10.007977

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% brahmin-uttar-pradesh_metspalu +50% punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 2.235826


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% punjabi-khatri_harappa +25% rajasthani-brahmin_harappa +25% up-muslim_metspalu @ 2.048041


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 hallaki_reich + haryana-jatt_harappa + kalash_hgdp + rajasthani-brahmin_harappa @ 1.707199
    2 gujarati-a_hapmap + gujarati-b_hapmap + oriya_harappa + urkarah_xing @ 1.908305
    3 hallaki_reich + haryana-jatt_harappa + kalash_hgdp + punjabi-brahmin_harappa @ 1.950071
    4 chamar_metspalu + haryana-jatt_harappa + kalash_hgdp + punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 1.962388
    5 haryana-jatt_harappa + lodi_reich + punjabi-khatri_harappa + punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 2.008390
    6 haryana-jatt_harappa + kalash_hgdp + piramalai-kallar_metspalu + rajasthani-brahmin_harappa @ 2.028010
    7 punjabi-khatri_harappa + punjabi-khatri_harappa + rajasthani-brahmin_harappa + up-muslim_metspalu @ 2.048041
    8 gujarati-a_hapmap + meena_metspalu + oriya_harappa + urkarah_xing @ 2.060349
    9 gujarati-b_hapmap + gujarati-patel_harappa + oriya_harappa + urkarah_xing @ 2.077991
    10 punjabi-khatri_harappa + punjabi-khatri_harappa + rajasthani-brahmin_harappa + srivastava_reich @ 2.079054
    11 gujarati-a_1000genomes + gujarati-b_hapmap + oriya_harappa + urkarah_xing @ 2.084391
    12 gujarati-a_hapmap + oriya_harappa + up-kshatriya_metspalu + urkarah_xing @ 2.086365
    13 punjabi-khatri_harappa + punjabi-khatri_harappa + rajasthani-brahmin_harappa + sourastrian_harappa @ 2.089565
    14 caribbean-indian_harappa + punjabi-khatri_harappa + punjabi-khatri_harappa + rajasthani-brahmin_harappa @ 2.104856
    15 brahmin-uttar-pradesh_metspalu + gujarati-patel_harappa + oriya_harappa + urkarah_xing @ 2.110285
    16 brahmin-uttar-pradesh_metspalu + gujarati-a_hapmap + oriya_harappa + urkarah_xing @ 2.119336
    17 haryana-jatt_harappa + punjabi-brahmin_harappa + punjabi-khatri_harappa + sourastrian_harappa @ 2.120762
    18 ap-hyderabad_harappa + haryana-jatt_harappa + punjabi-brahmin_harappa + punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 2.124299
    19 bhil_reich + haryana-jatt_harappa + kalash_hgdp + punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 2.126519
    20 haryana-jatt_harappa + kalash_hgdp + kurumba_metspalu + rajasthani-brahmin_harappa @ 2.134745


    This Saraswat Brahmin's relative 188cM match second cousin is that Pachori guy (y-haplo:R-L266, mt haplo:M30) discussed above.
    I was expecting khatis to be score similar to Punjabi tarkhans...
    At present they're not Brahmin but it is strong possibility that they could be from Brahmins in ancient times.
    Reason could be similar to Tyagi's, bhumihars.
    As they're claiming themselves jangid Brahmins
    According to genetic it is right but according to present scenario they're not Brahmins.
    But if we are considering tyagis or bhumihars Brahmins then we should also do this same with Jangirs but only According to history.

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    Do we have Rajasthani Gaur Brahmin samples?

    Pls post if we have

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    Gujjar (Rajasthan)
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    Population
    S-Indian 33.77 Pct
    Baloch 41.29 Pct
    Caucasian 12.15 Pct
    NE-Euro 7.44 Pct
    SE-Asian -
    Siberian 1.66 Pct
    NE-Asian -
    Papuan 0.64 Pct
    American 0.57 Pct
    Beringian -
    Mediterranean 0.53 Pct
    SW-Asian 1.93 Pct
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    Quote Originally Posted by preetam View Post
    Gujjar (Rajasthan)

    Population
    S-Indian 33.77 Pct
    Baloch 41.29 Pct
    Caucasian 12.15 Pct
    NE-Euro 7.44 Pct
    SE-Asian -
    Siberian 1.66 Pct
    NE-Asian -
    Papuan 0.64 Pct
    American 0.57 Pct
    Beringian -
    Mediterranean 0.53 Pct
    SW-Asian 1.93 Pct
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