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    Sinhalalese(Surname-Perera)
    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 S-Indian 56.38
    2 Baloch 30.93
    3 NE-Asian 2.82
    4 Caucasian 2.65
    5 SW-Asian 2.32
    6 SE-Asian 2.17
    7 Papuan 1.44
    8 Siberian 0.54
    9 W-African 0.47
    10 Pygmy 0.29

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 sinhalese (harappa) 2.67
    2 tamil-nadar (harappa) 3.4
    3 tamil-nadu-scheduled-caste (metspalu) 3.47
    4 andhra-pradesh (harappa) 4.06
    5 tamil-vellalar (harappa) 4.23
    6 karnataka (harappa) 4.54
    7 dusadh (metspalu) 4.9
    8 kerala-muslim (harappa) 4.93
    9 tamil (harappa) 4.98
    10 kurumba (metspalu) 5.14
    11 lodi (reich) 5.16
    12 up-scheduled-caste (metspalu) 5.36
    13 naidu (reich) 5.38
    14 singapore-indian-a (sgvp) 5.73
    15 ap-reddy (harappa) 5.95
    16 velama (metspalu) 5.96
    17 velama (reich) 5.97
    18 tharu (metspalu) 6
    19 kol (metspalu) 6.15
    20 piramalai-kallar (metspalu) 6.29

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    # Population Percent
    1 S-Indian 55.7
    2 Baloch 31.03
    3 Caucasian 5.06
    4 NE-Asian 2.58
    5 SE-Asian 1.8
    6 NE-Euro 1.51
    7 Papuan 1.2
    8 San 0.48
    9 W-African 0.39
    10 Pygmy 0.24

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 sinhalese (harappa) 3.51
    2 andhra-pradesh (harappa) 3.67
    3 karnataka (harappa) 4.2
    4 tamil (harappa) 4.55
    5 tharu (metspalu) 4.79
    6 ap-hyderabad (harappa) 4.8
    7 tamil-nadu-scheduled-caste (metspalu) 4.82
    8 tamil-vellalar (harappa) 4.91
    9 kerala-muslim (harappa) 5.13
    10 tamil-nadar (harappa) 5.21
    11 up-muslim (metspalu) 5.26
    12 lodi (reich) 5.31
    13 up-scheduled-caste (metspalu) 5.64
    14 velama (reich) 5.68
    15 dusadh (metspalu) 5.76
    16 kurumba (metspalu) 5.84
    17 velama (metspalu) 6.05
    18 ap-reddy (harappa) 6.14
    19 caribbean-indian (harappa) 6.18
    20 kanjar (metspalu) 6.4

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    (Surname-Ketagoda), Sinhalese?
    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 S-Indian 56.73
    2 Baloch 28.83
    3 Caucasian 5.76
    4 Siberian 3.05
    5 SE-Asian 1.84
    6 Papuan 0.92
    7 Pygmy 0.86
    8 W-African 0.79
    9 American 0.64
    10 Beringian 0.59

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 sinhalese (harappa) 4.72
    2 tamil-nadar (harappa) 5.53
    3 tamil (harappa) 5.54
    4 andhra-pradesh (harappa) 5.54
    5 kurumba (metspalu) 5.73
    6 tamil-nadu-scheduled-caste (metspalu) 5.94
    7 ap-hyderabad (harappa) 6.27
    8 tamil-vellalar (harappa) 6.47
    9 karnataka (harappa) 6.49
    10 hallaki (reich) 6.59
    11 singapore-indian-a (sgvp) 6.74
    12 lodi (reich) 6.87
    13 dusadh (metspalu) 6.95
    14 up-scheduled-caste (metspalu) 6.97
    15 piramalai-kallar (metspalu) 6.99
    16 kol (metspalu) 7.16
    17 naidu (reich) 7.21
    18 velama (reich) 7.28
    19 kerala-muslim (harappa) 7.39
    20 tharu (metspalu) 7.41

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    # Population Percent
    1 S-Indian 59.74
    2 Baloch 30.88
    3 Caucasian 2.87
    4 SE-Asian 2.43
    5 Mediterranean 1.1
    6 Beringian 0.98
    7 Papuan 0.86
    8 Siberian 0.6
    9 SW-Asian 0.44
    10 Pygmy 0.1

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 kurumba (metspalu) 2.28
    2 tamil-nadar (harappa) 2.74
    3 tamil-nadu-scheduled-caste (metspalu) 2.83
    4 singapore-indian-a (sgvp) 2.86
    5 dusadh (metspalu) 3.12
    6 sinhalese (harappa) 3.18
    7 tamil-vellalar (harappa) 3.33
    8 piramalai-kallar (metspalu) 3.46
    9 lodi (reich) 3.61
    10 naidu (reich) 3.8
    11 hallaki (reich) 3.9
    12 kol (metspalu) 3.93
    13 up-scheduled-caste (metspalu) 4.73
    14 vysya (reich) 4.83
    15 andhra-pradesh (harappa) 5.79
    16 karnataka (harappa) 5.87
    17 velama (reich) 6.08
    18 velama (metspalu) 6.3
    19 kamsali (reich) 7.02
    20 tharu (metspalu) 7.1

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    # Population Percent
    1 S-Indian 56.94
    2 Baloch 31.67
    3 SE-Asian 4.43
    4 SW-Asian 2.37
    5 Mediterranean 1.27
    6 American 1.14
    7 Papuan 1.02
    8 Siberian 0.38
    9 Beringian 0.28
    10 Caucasian 0.25
    11 E-African 0.17
    12 NE-Euro 0.09

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 sinhalese (harappa) 3.87
    2 tamil-nadu-scheduled-caste (metspalu) 4.24
    3 tamil-nadar (harappa) 4.32
    4 dusadh (metspalu) 4.8
    5 lodi (reich) 5.1
    6 tamil-vellalar (harappa) 5.2
    7 andhra-pradesh (harappa) 5.43
    8 karnataka (harappa) 5.49
    9 up-scheduled-caste (metspalu) 5.73
    10 kurumba (metspalu) 5.85
    11 naidu (reich) 5.93
    12 singapore-indian-a (sgvp) 6.13
    13 kerala-muslim (harappa) 6.45
    14 velama (metspalu) 6.5
    15 kol (metspalu) 6.52
    16 tamil (harappa) 6.6
    17 tharu (metspalu) 6.71
    18 piramalai-kallar (metspalu) 6.86
    19 velama (reich) 6.97
    20 ap-reddy (harappa) 7.18

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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    It does have a vast geographical horizon (Mujavant, Gandhar, Magadh, Ang) and knows the iron so that is taken to indicate that it is a later text.
    Atharvan was accepted as a Ved pretty late, and I think these late period changes make it appear younger.
    Definitely after the Buddhist period - as the Buddhist canon mentions only three Veds. Also as the Jataks have no knowledge of empires, just the janpads, we know they date to before the Nands. So we can say that prior to the Nands there were only three Veds.

    The Atharvan was the book of the Bhargavs and AtharvaAngiras. Panini knew of the Atharvan but does not consider it to be a Ved.

    This is confirmed by the last phases of the Rg itself.
    I think it mentions the Atharvan but in round about way as chhand.
    तस्माद यज्ञात सर्वहुत रचः सामानि जज्ञिरे |
    छन्दांसिजज्ञिरे तस्माद यजुस्तस्मादजायत ||
    tasmād yaj˝āt sarvahuta ṛcaḥ sāmāni jaj˝ire |
    chandāṃsijaj˝ire tasmād yajustasmādajāyata ||

    IMO at the Rg closing time the Atharvan was know as Chhand.
    This perhaps has come down as the word Zand on the Iranic side.

    It is my position that even the Bharat (later Mahabharat), in parts, is older than the Rg, but of course the former as an itihas test has been modified many times, and thus appears younger overall.
    a recent theory indicates that Proto Indo-Iranian *atharwan likely represents a substrate word from the unknown language of the BMAC civilization of Central Asia. It can be analyzed as BMAC *athar- plus the Indo-Iranian possessive suffix *-wan, in which case *atharwan would be "one who possesses *athar".
    Wiki says athar is likely BMAC language word but doesn't provide a citation for the recent theory. Is it from BMAC, later assimilation into the Aryan Vedas?

    why does it ended with wan before ending with Veda, instead of with Veda like others Rigveda, Yajurveda, and Samaveda?

    It was atharwan later Veda was added to it?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vedic_priesthood

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    Quote Originally Posted by ammi View Post
    Sinhalese(Perera)
    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 S-Indian 56.94
    2 Baloch 31.67
    3 SE-Asian 4.43
    4 SW-Asian 2.37
    5 Mediterranean 1.27
    6 American 1.14
    7 Papuan 1.02
    8 Siberian 0.38
    9 Beringian 0.28
    10 Caucasian 0.25
    11 E-African 0.17
    12 NE-Euro 0.09

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 sinhalese (harappa) 3.87
    2 tamil-nadu-scheduled-caste (metspalu) 4.24
    3 tamil-nadar (harappa) 4.32
    4 dusadh (metspalu) 4.8
    5 lodi (reich) 5.1
    6 tamil-vellalar (harappa) 5.2
    7 andhra-pradesh (harappa) 5.43
    8 karnataka (harappa) 5.49
    9 up-scheduled-caste (metspalu) 5.73
    10 kurumba (metspalu) 5.85
    11 naidu (reich) 5.93
    12 singapore-indian-a (sgvp) 6.13
    13 kerala-muslim (harappa) 6.45
    14 velama (metspalu) 6.5
    15 kol (metspalu) 6.52
    16 tamil (harappa) 6.6
    17 tharu (metspalu) 6.71
    18 piramalai-kallar (metspalu) 6.86
    19 velama (reich) 6.97
    20 ap-reddy (harappa) 7.18
    All these samples consistently have foreign mixture, and not the components youd expect. Especially for having high 50s. COmpared to middle caste tamil groups with similar SI, theres is consistently higher NE asian, along with SW asian and Caucasian, in some. But There is consitantly higher portions of extraneous components at visible levels in ratio to SI. The veddoid type in SL could be genetically different from the veddoid in South india, causing to harappa dna results to have strange results. FOrein mixture is also a possibility for SE asian, SW asian and Caucasian

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    Quote Originally Posted by poi View Post
    Do you still have the scores for Jha?



    Interesting. I've seen Ojha surname among Bahuns and Chettris, but Jha is exclusively a Terai Brahmin name in Nepal. Regarding predating Rg Vedic and belonging to Arharva, wasn't Atharva Veda after the Rig Veda?
    Don't have the id. Monkeydluffy posted here the results.Probably the same person.
    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....esults/page242

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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    I would say 14% would be reasonably typical - maybe top end of the range.
    Jhas are usually from the Maithil and Tarai area. It may predate Rg Vedic and belong to the Atharvan period.
    The etymology given is:
    Upadhyaay - Uvajjhaaya - Uvojha - Ojha - Jha
    In our area Ojhas are considered priests who are associated with spells and charms - a very Atharvan trait. They were like the karapans of the Gathas.
    I was referring to the results posted by Kaazi. The Shukla and Tiwary looks more like South Indian Brahmin than a Bihari Brahmin. While the Jha looks like a typical NI Brahmin. Babhans results including yours actually resemble Jha than the other two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tamilgangster View Post
    All these samples consistently have foreign mixture, and not the components youd expect. Especially for having high 50s. COmpared to middle caste tamil groups with similar SI, theres is consistently higher NE asian, along with SW asian and Caucasian, in some. But There is consitantly higher portions of extraneous components at visible levels in ratio to SI. The veddoid type in SL could be genetically different from the veddoid in South india, causing to harappa dna results to have strange results. FOrein mixture is also a possibility for SE asian, SW asian and Caucasian
    @Tamilgangster
    The Tamil Samples which I have seen so far, have similar components to above Sinhalese Samples, They all have Caucasian and even SW asian(May be Iran_N leaking into SW asian or may be Ancient mesopotamia trade)
    For Example see the below Tamil sample(scores 1.92% SW asian)
    # Population Percent
    1 S-Indian 56.12
    2 Baloch 31.97
    3 NE-Asian 2.46
    4 Siberian 2.27
    5 SW-Asian 1.92
    6 NE-Euro 1.64
    7 Papuan 1.59
    8 Caucasian 1.1
    9 SE-Asian 0.55
    10 Beringian 0.18
    11 Pygmy 0.17
    12 American 0.03

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 sinhalese (harappa) 3.05
    2 andhra-pradesh (harappa) 3.99
    3 tamil-nadar (harappa) 4
    4 tamil-vellalar (harappa) 4.23
    5 up-scheduled-caste (metspalu) 4.35
    6 karnataka (harappa) 4.48
    7 tamil-nadu-scheduled-caste (metspalu) 4.52
    8 dusadh (metspalu) 4.61
    9 lodi (reich) 4.7
    10 tamil (harappa) 5.01
    11 tharu (metspalu) 5.03
    12 kerala-muslim (harappa) 5.29
    13 kurumba (metspalu) 5.33
    14 kanjar (metspalu) 5.38
    15 naidu (reich) 5.41
    16 ap-reddy (harappa) 5.43
    17 up-muslim (metspalu) 5.53
    18 velama (reich) 5.64
    19 velama (metspalu) 5.67
    20 dharkar (metspalu) 5.91
    Here is the another Tamil Sample(scores 2.9% SW Asian)
    # Population Percent
    1 S-Indian 56.84
    2 Baloch 31.57
    3 SW-Asian 2.93
    4 SE-Asian 2.72
    5 Caucasian 1.89
    6 NE-Euro 1.39
    7 Siberian 0.95
    8 American 0.9
    9 Papuan 0.65
    10 NE-Asian 0.14

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 sinhalese (harappa) 2.46
    2 tamil-nadu-scheduled-caste (metspalu) 3.06
    3 tamil-nadar (harappa) 3.39
    4 andhra-pradesh (harappa) 3.75
    5 lodi (reich) 4.29
    6 dusadh (metspalu) 4.34
    7 karnataka (harappa) 4.36
    8 tamil-vellalar (harappa) 4.43
    9 up-scheduled-caste (metspalu) 4.6
    10 naidu (reich) 4.71
    11 kurumba (metspalu) 4.78
    12 tamil (harappa) 4.96
    13 tharu (metspalu) 5.41
    14 kerala-muslim (harappa) 5.49
    15 velama (metspalu) 5.52
    16 singapore-indian-a (sgvp) 5.61
    17 velama (reich) 5.65
    18 kol (metspalu) 5.73
    19 piramalai-kallar (metspalu) 6.16
    20 kanjar (metspalu) 6.16
    Scoring Caucasian and SW Asian is norm for non tribal South indians, It is not recent foreign admixture either, The Sinhalese samples which i have seen so far are overwhelmingly closer to Tamils and other South Indians.

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