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    Quote Originally Posted by Kapisa View Post
    Welcome to the forum. Fellow R-Y7 member here. As Monkey said your autosomal results are identical if not similar to Lohanas from Gujarat and Sindh. Unlike autosomal results however that Ancestry DNA tests for, your Y-chromosomal haplogroup traces your paternal lineage and Mitochondrial haplogroup traces your maternal lineage. From our current understanding in South Asia, some paternal out of Africa lineages are common: those associated with Paleolithic/Mesolithic local Hunter Gatherer populations, those associated with Neolithic West Asian Iranian farmers/herders spreading those practices in the region via Balochistan, and those associated with Bronze Age pastoralist populations originating from the steppe-lands of Eastern Europe bringing Indo-Iranic languages and customs to the region. R1a is associated with this last migration. Its subbranch R-L657 and downstream Y7, are predominant only in South Asia and south Central Asia today. According to the GenomeAsia project this haplogroup is the predominant one among Khatris, but is also present among Lohanas. The autosomal results of these communities (Khatri/Lohana/Arora) both muslims and non muslims are identical if not similar to the earliest Indo-Aryan cultures of South Asia found in Swat known as Swat Protohistoric Grave Type SPGT in genetic literature, part of a larger Gandhara region in Iron Age time frame.
    Wow, thank you so much for this detailed explanation, certainly helped. Thanks again @MonkeyDLuffy, @Coldmountains and @thejkhan for your efforts. Feeling the love already . I will also share a couple of more harrappa results from my mates test and will highly appreciate any insights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldmountains View Post
    It is a Bronze Age Indo-Aryan marker very likely born somewhere East Europe or Central Asia but today it is pretty much restricted to South Asians, South Central Asians and some West Asians (Indian, Central Asian admix). Around 1500-1800 B.C it would arrive in South Central Asia and than rapidly growth in numbers.
    What's the history surrounding R-Y6? And how common is it in South Asia?

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    Below results are from an Awan from Khushab

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 42.19
    2 S-Indian 29.82
    3 Caucasian 14.06
    4 NE-Euro 8.05
    5 SW-Asian 3.04
    6 Siberian 0.88
    7 Beringian 0.77
    8 NE-Asian 0.74
    9 American 0.27
    10 Papuan 0.07
    11 Mediterranean 0.05
    12 San 0.05

    YDNA - J2a1i J2-L88 (J2-L198)


    Below results are from an Arain from Bhagwanpura, Lahore

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 40.95
    2 S-Indian 31
    3 Caucasian 13.55
    4 NE-Euro 9.25
    5 Beringian 1.58
    6 Siberian 1.4
    7 SW-Asian 1.23
    8 American 1.01
    9 Mediterranean 0.02

    YDNA - R2a R-L266 (R-M124, R-P249)


    Both Arain and Awans claim Arab ancestry so any insights, comments, feedback will be highly appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by desi View Post
    What's the history surrounding R-Y6? And how common is it in South Asia?
    One of the more common L657 lines.
    Pan sub-continental. https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y28/

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    Here’s my first cousins Harappa results. Posted mine again underneath for comparison

    Cousin

    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 41.99
    2 S-Indian 28.66
    3 Caucasian 17.39
    4 NE-Euro 6.95
    5 SW-Asian 2.24
    6 Siberian 2.13


    Me

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 39.80
    2 S-Indian 28.42
    3 Caucasian 16.79
    4 NE-Euro 8.60
    5 Siberian 2.19
    6 SW-Asian 1.76
    7 Mediterranean 1.30

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    Quote Originally Posted by desi View Post
    What's the history surrounding R-Y6? And how common is it in South Asia?
    Its history is closely linked to Y7 and probably also some Z2123 clades like Y47 or SK2031 accompanying R1a-L657 Indo-Aryans into South Asia. R-Y6 is a bit older than Y7 and based on its estimated TMRCA (4200 ybp according to Yfull but likely bit older) was very likely born in East Europe (Fatyanovo-Balanovo/Abashevo). Like Y7 it is very closely linked to Indo-Aryans and arrived very likely together with Y7 in South Asia or only very slightly later or earlier. In South Asia, it is present in all Indo-Aryan subgroups just like Y7 but somehow has a higher ratio or even frequency than Y7 in South and East India. I think overall it has a frequency of around 10% in South Asia but of course, depending on the caste and region (especially NW India) can be much higher.

    Also L657 among Balochs, Brahui and Pashtuns seem to be dominated by Y6 (Balochs and Brahui who are rich in L657 lack Y7 afaik but Pashtuns have some). Sindhi, Punjabi and Kashmiri seem to have more Y7 on the other side I think but Y6 is present among all of them in varying frequencies. So far there is not really a clear pattern to associate Y6 or Y7 with some specific and from each other distinct migrations or historical subgroups. Also the differences in terms of Y6 or Y7 frequencies are often probably just the result of founder effects and not necessarily very old/ancient. Maybe the fact that the Y6/Y7 ratio is higher in border/frontier regions of Indo-Aryan civilization (Gedrosia, South India, East India,...) means something but Y6 is found among Brahmins often and not absent in the core regions of Vedic and Indic civilization so, for now, I would not interpret too much into it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alirajani View Post
    Below results are from an Awan from Khushab

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 42.19
    2 S-Indian 29.82
    3 Caucasian 14.06
    4 NE-Euro 8.05
    5 SW-Asian 3.04
    6 Siberian 0.88
    7 Beringian 0.77
    8 NE-Asian 0.74
    9 American 0.27
    10 Papuan 0.07
    11 Mediterranean 0.05
    12 San 0.05

    YDNA - J2a1i J2-L88 (J2-L198)


    Below results are from an Arain from Bhagwanpura, Lahore

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 40.95
    2 S-Indian 31
    3 Caucasian 13.55
    4 NE-Euro 9.25
    5 Beringian 1.58
    6 Siberian 1.4
    7 SW-Asian 1.23
    8 American 1.01
    9 Mediterranean 0.02

    YDNA - R2a R-L266 (R-M124, R-P249)


    Both Arain and Awans claim Arab ancestry so any insights, comments, feedback will be highly appreciated.
    It’s definitely possible, I don’t think these calculators results would change much based off of just one or two ancestors. I doubt these tribes come directly from Arabs, but mixed ancestors could be possible. I score almost identically and am almost 100% sure my family has no Arab ancestry, but who knows.

    Furthermore, I feel like most Punjabi Arains are the same are Punjabi Khatri/ Arora’s/ Kamboj who adopted Islam a while ago. Here’s a excerpt from Wikipedia (not the best source, I know)

    “The historian and political scientist Christophe Jaffrelot believes that the Arain are displaced farming communities who moved to Punjab from Sindh and Multan as Arab Muslim armies encroached; they originally practised Hinduism but many later converted to Islam. He says that the community is related to the Kamboj Rajput community mainly located in northern India and eastern Pakistan.”

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arain

    Many Arain caste names (based on https://www.arainsociety.com/ArainCommunityHistory.html) also pop up on my 23 and me relatives frequently.

    Here’s the averages from the google doc someone made, it’s all over the threads here. Just took the top 5 contributing categories

    Arain

    S India 28.90%
    Baloch 40.35%
    Caucasian 16.53%
    NE Euro 7.84%
    SW Asia 2.47%

    Khatri/Arora

    S India 29.08%
    Baloch 39.02%
    Caucasian 15.28%
    NE Euro 10.12 %
    SW Asia 1.71 %

    Kamboj

    S India 27.06%
    Baloch 37.51%
    Caucasian 16.49%
    NE Euro 11.38%
    SW Asian 2.18%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raza94 View Post
    Looks like there is recent foreign admixture

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 S-Indian 39.02
    2 Baloch 32.52
    3 Caucasian 12.76
    4 SW-Asian 4.82
    5 NE-Euro 3.77
    6 Mediterranean 2.93
    7 Beringian 2.16
    8 Papuan 1.02


    Finished reading population data. 377 populations found.
    16 components mode.

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    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 cochin-jew_behar @ 6.758347
    2 up-muslim_harappa @ 7.813947
    3 gujarati-muslim_harappa @ 8.005614
    4 bihari-muslim_harappa @ 10.312180
    5 kerala_harappa @ 10.420431
    6 punjabi_harappa @ 11.079316
    7 punjabi-jatt-muslim_harappa @ 11.736892
    8 maharashtrian_harappa @ 11.847146
    9 bengali-brahmin_harappa @ 11.870973
    10 karnataka-brahmin_harappa @ 12.132115
    11 kashmiri-pandit_reich @ 12.182787
    12 kashmiri-pahari_harappa @ 12.349627
    13 bene-israel-jew_behar @ 12.363728
    14 pushtikar-brahmin_harappa @ 12.369810
    15 kerala-christian_harappa @ 12.399034
    16 up-brahmin_harappa @ 12.436870
    17 meghawal_reich @ 12.471889
    18 brahmin-tamil-nadu_metspalu @ 12.601182
    19 kashmiri_harappa @ 12.629677
    20 tn-brahmin_xing @ 12.672964

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% bene-israel-jew_behar +50% gujarati-b_hapmap @ 1.961336


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% bene-israel-jew_behar +25% kerala-nair_harappa +25% up-brahmin_harappa @ 1.808735


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++
    1 bhil_reich + gujarati-patel_harappa + iranian_behar + punjabi-jatt-muslim_harappa @ 1.808375
    2 bene-israel-jew_behar + bene-israel-jew_behar + kerala-nair_harappa + up-brahmin_harappa @ 1.808735
    3 bene-israel-jew_behar + bene-israel-jew_behar + goan_harappa + up-brahmin_harappa @ 1.843275
    4 bene-israel-jew_behar + bene-israel-jew_behar + gujarati-b_hapmap + kerala-brahmin_harappa @ 1.884577
    5 gujarati-patel_harappa + hakkipikki_metspalu + iranian_behar + punjabi-jatt-sikh_harappa @ 1.896490
    6 bhil_reich + gujarati-a_hapmap + iranian_behar + punjabi-jatt-muslim_harappa @ 1.898803
    7 goan_harappa + goan_harappa + iraqi-arab_harappa + kanjar_metspalu @ 1.905117
    8 dusadh_metspalu + gujarati-patel_harappa + up-brahmin_harappa + uzbekistan-jew_behar @ 1.915163
    9 bhil_reich + gujarati-a_1000genomes + iranian_behar + punjabi-jatt-muslim_harappa @ 1.918603
    10 bhil_reich + gujarati-patel_harappa + kurd_harappa + punjabi-jatt-muslim_harappa @ 1.929614
    11 dharkar_metspalu + gujarati-a_hapmap + up_harappa + uzbekistan-jew_behar @ 1.931264
    12 gujarati-patel_harappa + tamil-nadar_harappa + up-brahmin_harappa + uzbekistan-jew_behar @ 1.931631
    13 gujarati-patel_harappa + kurumba_metspalu + up-brahmin_harappa + uzbekistan-jew_behar @ 1.950948
    14 chamar_metspalu + gujarati-patel_harappa + iranian_behar + punjabi-jatt-muslim_harappa @ 1.957710
    15 bene-israel-jew_behar + bene-israel-jew_behar + gujarati-b_hapmap + gujarati-b_hapmap @ 1.961336
    16 bene-israel-jew_behar + bene-israel-jew_behar + gujarati-a_hapmap + punjabi-jatt-muslim_harappa @ 1.963923
    17 gujarati-patel_harappa + iranian_behar + north-kannadi_chaubey + punjabi-jatt-sikh_harappa @ 1.964266
    18 gujarati-patel_harappa + singapore-indian-a_sgvp + up-brahmin_harappa + uzbekistan-jew_behar @ 1.966170
    19 gujarati-a_hapmap + up_harappa + up-muslim_metspalu + uzbekistan-jew_behar @ 1.969460
    20 bene-israel-jew_behar + bene-israel-jew_behar + kanjar_metspalu + punjabi-arain_xing @ 1.970376

    Done.
    Was able to get in contact with this person, they are from Bhuruch, Gujarat in India. If I am not mistaken is that where there are a good number of Ismailis? or is that somewhere else?

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    my friends results he is a gakhar grandparents from gujar khan

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    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 37.11
    2 S-Indian 32.73
    3 Caucasian 15
    4 NE-Euro 10.65
    5 Mediterranean 2.16
    6 NE-Asian 1.32
    7 American 1.03



    Finished reading population data. 377 populations found.
    16 components mode.

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    Least-squares method.

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 3.45
    2 kashmiri (harappa) 3.59
    3 sindhi (harappa) 7.3
    4 pathan (hgdp) 7.83
    5 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 8.28
    6 pashtun (harappa) 8.52
    7 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 8.66
    8 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 8.78
    9 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 9.38
    10 punjabi (harappa) 9.59
    11 up-muslim (harappa) 10.15
    12 kalash (hgdp) 10.25
    13 haryana-jatt (harappa) 10.28
    14 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 10.51
    15 burusho (hgdp) 11.03
    16 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 11.33
    17 bhatia (harappa) 11.43
    18 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 11.94
    19 punjabi-arain (xing) 12.42
    20 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 12.76

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    all the samples i have:

    my maternal cousins results:

    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 35.02
    2 S-Indian 32.41
    3 Caucasian 14.1
    4 NE-Euro 10.21
    5 Mediterranean 4.92
    6 American 1.58
    7 Beringian 1.27
    8 NE-Asian 0.49

    my results :

    1 Baloch 35.65
    2 S-Indian 33.49
    3 Caucasian 12.94
    4 NE-Euro 9.62
    5 Mediterranean 3.24
    6 Beringian 1.73
    7 American 0.91
    8 NE-Asian 0.7
    9 Pygmy 0.67
    10 Siberian 0.53
    11 SW-Asian 0.52

    another maternal cousin:

    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 36.47
    2 S-Indian 33.04
    3 Caucasian 15.19
    4 NE-Euro 10.18
    5 Mediterranean 2.63
    6 Siberian 2.12
    7 NE-Asian 0.37

    my friends:

    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 37.11
    2 S-Indian 32.73
    3 Caucasian 15
    4 NE-Euro 10.65
    5 Mediterranean 2.16
    6 NE-Asian 1.32
    7 American 1.03
    Last edited by a_kayani987; 07-27-2021 at 07:42 PM.

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