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    Surname: Khawaja: SNPs used in this evaluation: 52673. Kit: 23andme V5
    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 S-Indian 37.61
    2 Baloch 31.82
    3 Caucasian 12.69
    4 NE-Euro 9.23
    5 NE-Asian 3.93
    6 W-African 1.47
    7 Beringian 1.31
    8 SW-Asian 1.05
    9 Papuan 0.35
    10 Mediterranean 0.29
    11 SE-Asian 0.24

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 up-muslim (harappa) 5.95
    2 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 8.6
    3 punjabi (harappa) 8.82
    4 bihari-muslim (harappa) 8.84
    5 kashmiri (harappa) 9.08
    6 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 9.08
    7 bengali-brahmin (harappa) 9.15
    8 up-brahmin (harappa) 9.21
    9 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 9.51
    10 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 9.83
    11 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 9.91
    12 nepalese-a (xing) 10.01
    13 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 10.17
    14 brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) 10.25
    15 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 10.85
    16 vaish (reich) 11.23
    17 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 11.23
    18 cochin-jew (behar) 11.27
    19 maharashtrian (harappa) 11.7
    20 karnataka-brahmin (harappa) 11.72

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 80% kashmiri (harappa) + 20% chenchu (reich) @ 3.5
    2 85.9% kashmiri (harappa) + 14.1% pulliyar (metspalu) @ 3.53
    3 86.3% kashmiri (harappa) + 13.7% paniya (chaubey) @ 3.55
    4 79.2% brahmin-tamil-nadu (metspalu) + 20.8% nogai (yunusbayev) @ 3.62
    5 85.9% kashmiri (harappa) + 14.1% irula (xing) @ 3.63
    6 86.1% bihari-muslim (harappa) + 13.9% chechen (yunusbayev) @ 3.7
    7 72.8% up-muslim (metspalu) + 27.2% urkarah (xing) @ 3.71
    8 85.3% bihari-muslim (harappa) + 14.7% lezgin (behar) @ 3.72
    9 87% bihari-muslim (harappa) + 13% north-ossetian (yunusbayev) @ 3.78
    10 73.3% up-muslim (metspalu) + 26.7% lezgin (behar) @ 3.8
    11 76.3% burusho (hgdp) + 23.7% irula (xing) @ 3.81
    12 85.6% bihari-muslim (harappa) + 14.4% kumyk (yunusbayev) @ 3.82
    13 76.5% bihari (harappa) + 23.5% lezgin (behar) @ 3.84
    14 86.8% bihari-muslim (harappa) + 13.2% balkar (yunusbayev) @ 3.84
    15 87% bihari-muslim (harappa) + 13% adygei (hgdp) @ 3.86
    16 88.5% bengali-brahmin (harappa) + 11.5% georgian (behar) @ 3.87
    17 85.1% bihari-muslim (harappa) + 14.9% urkarah (xing) @ 3.88
    18 88.2% bengali-brahmin (harappa) + 11.8% abhkasian (yunusbayev) @ 3.89
    19 71.3% kanjar (metspalu) + 28.7% lezgin (behar) @ 3.9
    20 80.2% kashmiri (harappa) + 19.8% north-kannadi (chaubey) @ 3.91

    Distance to:
    4.77511256 Himachal_Pradesh_Brahmin
    5.41858838 Kashmiri_Butt

    Target:
    Distance: 2.6657% / 2.66572605 | R3P
    88.7 Jammu&Kashmir_Brahmin
    8.7 Irula
    2.6 Japanese2
     

    [ { "distance": "1.69",
    "sample": "Kapisa-Dad (Kapisa)",
    "Khatri-Kohistani-Sindhi-Kamboj": 99.2,
    "Kurdish-Persian": 0.4,
    "Ju hoan": 0.4,},

    { "distance": "1.61",
    "sample": "Kapisa (Kapisa)",
    "Khatri-Kohistani-Sindhi-Kamboj": 94.8,
    "Kurdish-Persian": 0.6,
    "Ju hoan": 0.6,
    "Gupta": 4 },

    { "distance": "2.38",
    "sample":"Kapisa-Mom (Kapisa)",
    "Khatri-Kohistani-Sindhi-Kamboj": 89.4,
    "Kurdish-Persian": 3.4,
    "Gupta": 7.2 } ]

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    Quote Originally Posted by heksindhi View Post
    The ghost was created using the HW scores for this individual in HarappaWorld mode. You can then just copy and paste the results

    Can you actually convert ghost coordinates into HW scores ?? Can you use another example and show it step by step?

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kapisa View Post
    Surname: Khawaja: SNPs used in this evaluation: 52673. Kit: 23andme V5
    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 S-Indian 37.61
    2 Baloch 31.82
    3 Caucasian 12.69
    4 NE-Euro 9.23
    5 NE-Asian 3.93
    6 W-African 1.47
    7 Beringian 1.31
    8 SW-Asian 1.05
    9 Papuan 0.35
    10 Mediterranean 0.29
    11 SE-Asian 0.24

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 up-muslim (harappa) 5.95
    2 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 8.6
    3 punjabi (harappa) 8.82
    4 bihari-muslim (harappa) 8.84
    5 kashmiri (harappa) 9.08
    6 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 9.08
    7 bengali-brahmin (harappa) 9.15
    8 up-brahmin (harappa) 9.21
    9 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 9.51
    10 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 9.83
    11 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 9.91
    12 nepalese-a (xing) 10.01
    13 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 10.17
    14 brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) 10.25
    15 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 10.85
    16 vaish (reich) 11.23
    17 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 11.23
    18 cochin-jew (behar) 11.27
    19 maharashtrian (harappa) 11.7
    20 karnataka-brahmin (harappa) 11.72

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 80% kashmiri (harappa) + 20% chenchu (reich) @ 3.5
    2 85.9% kashmiri (harappa) + 14.1% pulliyar (metspalu) @ 3.53
    3 86.3% kashmiri (harappa) + 13.7% paniya (chaubey) @ 3.55
    4 79.2% brahmin-tamil-nadu (metspalu) + 20.8% nogai (yunusbayev) @ 3.62
    5 85.9% kashmiri (harappa) + 14.1% irula (xing) @ 3.63
    6 86.1% bihari-muslim (harappa) + 13.9% chechen (yunusbayev) @ 3.7
    7 72.8% up-muslim (metspalu) + 27.2% urkarah (xing) @ 3.71
    8 85.3% bihari-muslim (harappa) + 14.7% lezgin (behar) @ 3.72
    9 87% bihari-muslim (harappa) + 13% north-ossetian (yunusbayev) @ 3.78
    10 73.3% up-muslim (metspalu) + 26.7% lezgin (behar) @ 3.8
    11 76.3% burusho (hgdp) + 23.7% irula (xing) @ 3.81
    12 85.6% bihari-muslim (harappa) + 14.4% kumyk (yunusbayev) @ 3.82
    13 76.5% bihari (harappa) + 23.5% lezgin (behar) @ 3.84
    14 86.8% bihari-muslim (harappa) + 13.2% balkar (yunusbayev) @ 3.84
    15 87% bihari-muslim (harappa) + 13% adygei (hgdp) @ 3.86
    16 88.5% bengali-brahmin (harappa) + 11.5% georgian (behar) @ 3.87
    17 85.1% bihari-muslim (harappa) + 14.9% urkarah (xing) @ 3.88
    18 88.2% bengali-brahmin (harappa) + 11.8% abhkasian (yunusbayev) @ 3.89
    19 71.3% kanjar (metspalu) + 28.7% lezgin (behar) @ 3.9
    20 80.2% kashmiri (harappa) + 19.8% north-kannadi (chaubey) @ 3.91

    Distance to:
    4.77511256 Himachal_Pradesh_Brahmin
    5.41858838 Kashmiri_Butt

    Target:
    Distance: 2.6657% / 2.66572605 | R3P
    88.7 Jammu&Kashmir_Brahmin
    8.7 Irula
    2.6 Japanese2

    That west African is unexpected.
    Fit: 1.7688

    Shahr I Sokhta BA3 45
    Gonur1 BA 32
    Oy Dzhaylau MLBA 18.5
    Chokhopani 2700BP 4.5

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    Quote Originally Posted by kpb View Post
    That west African is unexpected.
    Its a V5 kit with a dismal overlap, thats all the African score this individual has.
     

    [ { "distance": "1.69",
    "sample": "Kapisa-Dad (Kapisa)",
    "Khatri-Kohistani-Sindhi-Kamboj": 99.2,
    "Kurdish-Persian": 0.4,
    "Ju hoan": 0.4,},

    { "distance": "1.61",
    "sample": "Kapisa (Kapisa)",
    "Khatri-Kohistani-Sindhi-Kamboj": 94.8,
    "Kurdish-Persian": 0.6,
    "Ju hoan": 0.6,
    "Gupta": 4 },

    { "distance": "2.38",
    "sample":"Kapisa-Mom (Kapisa)",
    "Khatri-Kohistani-Sindhi-Kamboj": 89.4,
    "Kurdish-Persian": 3.4,
    "Gupta": 7.2 } ]

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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    Can you actually convert ghost coordinates into HW scores ?? Can you use another example and show it step by step?

    Thanks!
    pegasus, he didnt create the hw score out of G25, it was actually the reverse. Both of us, misread his post. He simply took a random HW score and made a ghost/sim coord out of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaazi View Post
    pegasus, he didnt create the hw score out of G25, it was actually the reverse. Both of us, misread his post. He simply took a random HW score and made a ghost/sim coord out of it.
    Well, not quite a 'random' HW score. The ghost was created with the Genoplot ghost creator in the HarappaWorld mode. So, its a ghost made using the Leghari scores as the 'Base Ancestry' with 25% of German ancestry subtracted.

    There is no current way of converting G25 coordinates to HW scores. At least not until Genoplot provides a HW simulation ( a G25 simulation in reverse )

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    Kashmiri Male M3c2 L1a2 L1d* L1a2

    Likely JK Gujjar

    sample: :Kashmiri
    Baloch: 44.24
    S-Indian: 32.18
    Caucasian: 12.88
    NE-Euro: 5.02
    SW-Asian: 1.73
    Siberian: 1.57
    NE-Asian: 1.09
    Beringian: 0.94
    American: 0.35



    Kashmiri Female C4a2c

    (More generic Kashmiri profile)

    sample: Kashmiri
    Baloch: 38.18
    S-Indian: 31.83
    Caucasian: 14.96
    NE-Euro: 7.41
    SE-Asian: 1.57
    SW-Asian: 1.21
    American: 1.79
    Beringian: 1.31
    Siberian: 1.03
    NE-Asian: 0.72
    Papuan: 0
    Mediterranean: 0



    Kashmiri Male U7a J1b* J1a3
    ( A more Punjabi like profile)
    sample: Kashmiri
    Baloch: 37.7
    S-Indian: 32
    Caucasian: 12.11
    NE-Euro: 12.89
    SE-Asian: 0
    SW-Asian: 0
    American: 0.88
    Beringian: 1.04
    Siberian: 0.53
    NE-Asian: 2.54
    Papuan: 0
    Mediterranean: 0.3


    Kashmiri Male I1b I1b G2a2b2a1a1a1a G2a1c2a1 G2a2b2a1a1a1a



    sample: Kashmiri
    Baloch: 37.62
    S-Indian: 33.65
    Caucasian: 13.19
    NE-Euro: 7.75
    NE-Asian: 4.49
    Beringian: 0.05
    American: 2.56
    Siberian: 0.49
    SW-Asian: 0
    Papuan: 0
    SE-Asian: 0
    Pygmy: 0
    W-African: 0.2
    Last edited by pegasus; 06-27-2021 at 09:57 AM.

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    Kit KE7736888 - Rajasthan Jatt (Ajmer/Udaipur)
    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 32.78
    2 S-Indian 26.53
    3 NE-Euro 21.34
    4 Caucasian 12.5
    5 Mediterranean 2.17
    6 American 1.74
    7 Siberian 1.54
    8 SW-Asian 0.76
    9 Papuan 0.51
    10 San 0.08
    11 Pygmy 0.06

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 haryana-jatt (harappa) 6.21
    2 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 10.88
    3 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 11.55
    4 kashmiri (harappa) 12.93
    5 pathan (hgdp) 12.98
    6 nepalese-a (xing) 13.43
    7 sindhi (harappa) 13.81
    8 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 13.89
    9 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 13.94
    10 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 13.96
    11 pashtun (harappa) 14.07
    12 up-muslim (harappa) 14.56
    13 punjabi (harappa) 14.59
    14 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 14.69
    15 burusho (hgdp) 15.01
    16 bhatia (harappa) 15.19
    17 kalash (hgdp) 15.59
    18 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 16.09
    19 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 16.34
    20 up-brahmin (harappa) 16.48
    Mehrgarh v2.

    sample: kamil154
    distance: 2.1
    Indo-Turanian Farmer (N/LCA): 33.6 (Mehrgarh Pre-Pottery: 19.2 + Sistano-Turanian Proto-Urbanist: 14.4)
    South Asian HG (MP): 22.2
    Proto-Indo-Iranian (MLBA): 17.6
    Bactria-Margiana Archaeological Complex (EBA): 16
    Pamir Knot HG (LM): 10.2

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    @kamil

    Did not expect that for a Rajasthani Jatt. The ones on HarappaWorld's database (both directed to the project by myself) are much more ANF shifted and less EHG shifted relative to this individual (if you compare their NE Euro to Med ratio). This individual is more like the highest steppe Haryana Jaat/West UP Jaat we've come across. The American + Siberian combo shows some resemblance to some Ror. From recollection, the lowest Baloch I saw for a Hindu Jaat was in the 33-34% but this individual is even slightly under 33%. Their Iran N would be quite depressed on G25 I imagine.

    Also, he's from near the Gujarat border? Native to Udaipur? I should ask my Rajasthani Jaat acquaintance to get tested to see if he is like this individual or the other 2 I came across. From what I know, the vast majority of Rajasthani Jatt are native to Central/East and Northeast Rajasthan (ie proximity to Haryana and West UP).
    Last edited by Sapporo; 06-28-2021 at 03:15 PM.
    pegasus modeling:
    sample": "Punjabi_Jat:Sapporo_AGUser",
    "fit": 1.1506,
    "IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3": 43.33,
    "TKM_Gonur1_BA": 31.67,
    "RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 25,
    "closestDistances": [

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapporo View Post
    @kamil

    Did not expect that for a Rajasthani Jatt. The ones on HarappaWorld's database (both directed to the project by myself) are much more ANF shifted and less EHG shifted relative to this individual (if you compare their NE Euro to Med ratio). This individual is more like the highest steppe Haryana Jaat/West UP Jaat we've come across. The American + Siberian combo shows some resemblance to some Ror. From recollection, the lowest Baloch I saw for a Hindu Jaat was 33-34% but this individual is even slightly under 33%.

    Also, he's from near the Gujarat border? Native to Udaipur? I should ask my Rajasthani Jaat acquaintance to get tested to see if he is like this individual or the other 2 I came across.
    Have we not seen another few kits in the early 20's for NE Euro? They are pretty rare though. I think this guy might be an original PGW type profile. I suspect if we get ancient data for those, they will likely top out around 25% NE Euro.

    Btw he has no close Indian relatives on GedMatch so he has to come from an untested part of the population.

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