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    Quote Originally Posted by agent_lime View Post
    Baloch tribe that look like Haryana Jats + 10-15% East Euro?
    Only close relative is this one within 1-2 generations.
    dmix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 35.1
    2 S-Indian 34.8
    3 Caucasian 13
    4 NE-Euro 7.63
    5 SW-Asian 2.82
    6 NE-Asian 2.53
    7 Mediterranean 1.82
    8 Siberian 1.48
    9 E-African 0.4
    10 SE-Asian 0.27
    11 American 0.13
    12 Beringian 0.02

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 up-muslim (harappa) 3.69
    2 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 4.49
    3 punjabi (harappa) 5.24
    4 kashmiri (harappa) 5.67
    5 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 5.73
    6 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 6.39
    7 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 6.83
    8 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 6.84
    9 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 6.98
    10 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 7.68
    11 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 8.05
    12 nepalese-a (xing) 9.11
    13 up-brahmin (harappa) 9.43
    14 sindhi (harappa) 9.57
    15 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 9.68
    16 punjabi-arain (xing) 9.86
    17 bihari-muslim (harappa) 10.43
    18 bengali-brahmin (harappa) 10.7
    19 brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) 11.22
    20 cochin-jew (behar) 11.51

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 71.6% brahmin-tamil-nadu (metspalu) + 28.4% turkmen (yunusbayev) @ 2.2
    2 78.4% gujarati-b (hapmap) + 21.6% azeri (harappa) @ 2.24
    3 68.4% kashmiri (harappa) + 31.6% cochin-jew (behar) @ 2.24
    4 73.1% gujarati-b (hapmap) + 26.9% turkmen (yunusbayev) @ 2.28
    5 69.9% iyer-brahmin (harappa) + 30.1% turkmen (yunusbayev) @ 2.31
    6 74% kerala-nair (harappa) + 26% stalskoe (xing) @ 2.33
    7 72.5% meghawal (reich) + 27.5% turkmen (yunusbayev) @ 2.37
    8 79.7% gujarati-b (hapmap) + 20.3% turk (behar) @ 2.37
    9 75.5% up-kshatriya (metspalu) + 24.5% iranian (harappa) @ 2.37
    10 71% tn-brahmin (xing) + 29% turkmen (yunusbayev) @ 2.43
    11 79.4% gujarati-b (hapmap) + 20.6% turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) @ 2.43
    12 78.5% gujarati-b (hapmap) + 21.5% turkish (harappa) @ 2.43
    13 71.2% gujarati (harappa) + 28.8% turkmen (yunusbayev) @ 2.45
    14 79.7% gujarati-b (hapmap) + 20.3% turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) @ 2.5
    15 69.5% iyengar-brahmin (harappa) + 30.5% turkmen (yunusbayev) @ 2.5
    16 77.5% up-kshatriya (metspalu) + 22.5% kurd (xing) @ 2.52
    17 78.7% kashmiri (harappa) + 21.3% sri-lankan (harappa) @ 2.55
    18 67.8% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 32.2% bene-israel-jew (behar) @ 2.55
    19 85.6% sindhi (harappa) + 14.4% pulliyar (metspalu) @ 2.6
    20 76.5% gujarati-b (hapmap) + 23.5% iranian (harappa) @ 2.6

    Legharis are found Saraiki belt and Sindh and so recent admixture with a high steppe population like Jatts of that area is a possibility or a recent actual European ancestry.
     

    [ { "distance": "1.69",
    "sample": "Kapisa-Dad (Kapisa)",
    "Khatri-Kohistani-Sindhi-Kamboj": 99.2,
    "Kurdish-Persian": 0.4,
    "Ju hoan": 0.4,},

    { "distance": "1.61",
    "sample": "Kapisa (Kapisa)",
    "Khatri-Kohistani-Sindhi-Kamboj": 94.8,
    "Kurdish-Persian": 0.6,
    "Ju hoan": 0.6,
    "Gupta": 4 },

    { "distance": "2.38",
    "sample":"Kapisa-Mom (Kapisa)",
    "Khatri-Kohistani-Sindhi-Kamboj": 89.4,
    "Kurdish-Persian": 3.4,
    "Gupta": 7.2 } ]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kapisa View Post
    Only close relative is this one within 1-2 generations.
    dmix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 35.1
    2 S-Indian 34.8
    3 Caucasian 13
    4 NE-Euro 7.63
    5 SW-Asian 2.82
    6 NE-Asian 2.53
    7 Mediterranean 1.82
    8 Siberian 1.48
    9 E-African 0.4
    10 SE-Asian 0.27
    11 American 0.13
    12 Beringian 0.02

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 up-muslim (harappa) 3.69
    2 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 4.49
    3 punjabi (harappa) 5.24
    4 kashmiri (harappa) 5.67
    5 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 5.73
    6 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 6.39
    7 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 6.83
    8 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 6.84
    9 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 6.98
    10 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 7.68
    11 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 8.05
    12 nepalese-a (xing) 9.11
    13 up-brahmin (harappa) 9.43
    14 sindhi (harappa) 9.57
    15 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 9.68
    16 punjabi-arain (xing) 9.86
    17 bihari-muslim (harappa) 10.43
    18 bengali-brahmin (harappa) 10.7
    19 brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) 11.22
    20 cochin-jew (behar) 11.51

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 71.6% brahmin-tamil-nadu (metspalu) + 28.4% turkmen (yunusbayev) @ 2.2
    2 78.4% gujarati-b (hapmap) + 21.6% azeri (harappa) @ 2.24
    3 68.4% kashmiri (harappa) + 31.6% cochin-jew (behar) @ 2.24
    4 73.1% gujarati-b (hapmap) + 26.9% turkmen (yunusbayev) @ 2.28
    5 69.9% iyer-brahmin (harappa) + 30.1% turkmen (yunusbayev) @ 2.31
    6 74% kerala-nair (harappa) + 26% stalskoe (xing) @ 2.33
    7 72.5% meghawal (reich) + 27.5% turkmen (yunusbayev) @ 2.37
    8 79.7% gujarati-b (hapmap) + 20.3% turk (behar) @ 2.37
    9 75.5% up-kshatriya (metspalu) + 24.5% iranian (harappa) @ 2.37
    10 71% tn-brahmin (xing) + 29% turkmen (yunusbayev) @ 2.43
    11 79.4% gujarati-b (hapmap) + 20.6% turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) @ 2.43
    12 78.5% gujarati-b (hapmap) + 21.5% turkish (harappa) @ 2.43
    13 71.2% gujarati (harappa) + 28.8% turkmen (yunusbayev) @ 2.45
    14 79.7% gujarati-b (hapmap) + 20.3% turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) @ 2.5
    15 69.5% iyengar-brahmin (harappa) + 30.5% turkmen (yunusbayev) @ 2.5
    16 77.5% up-kshatriya (metspalu) + 22.5% kurd (xing) @ 2.52
    17 78.7% kashmiri (harappa) + 21.3% sri-lankan (harappa) @ 2.55
    18 67.8% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 32.2% bene-israel-jew (behar) @ 2.55
    19 85.6% sindhi (harappa) + 14.4% pulliyar (metspalu) @ 2.6
    20 76.5% gujarati-b (hapmap) + 23.5% iranian (harappa) @ 2.6

    Legharis are found Saraiki belt and Sindh and so recent admixture with a high steppe population like Jatts of that area is a possibility or a recent actual European ancestry.
    What do Southern Punjabi and Sindhi Jats score like? Also, do note: 'Jats' in Sindh are not related to the Jats of Punjab and Haryana.

    But the Legahri Baloch person's Mediterranean is far too high to be any kind of Jat, anyways, let alone someone with mixed with one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheharslantogino View Post
    What do Southern Punjabi and Sindhi Jats score like? Also, do note: 'Jats' in Sindh are not related to the Jats of Punjab and Haryana.

    But the Legahri Baloch person's Mediterranean is far too high to be any kind of Jat, anyways, let alone someone with mixed with one.
    Some variation of this one posted recently. Warraich live predominately in west and central Punjab area.
    Punjabi Muslim Jat, half Waraich half Dhillon:

    S-Indian 33.82%
    Baloch 40.4%
    Caucasian 8.46%
    NE-Euro 13.27%
    Siberian 1.80%
    American .84%
    Beringian .15%
    SW-Asian 1.26%

    But you are right the most likely scenario is a recent European ancestry for the two posted earlier.
     

    [ { "distance": "1.69",
    "sample": "Kapisa-Dad (Kapisa)",
    "Khatri-Kohistani-Sindhi-Kamboj": 99.2,
    "Kurdish-Persian": 0.4,
    "Ju hoan": 0.4,},

    { "distance": "1.61",
    "sample": "Kapisa (Kapisa)",
    "Khatri-Kohistani-Sindhi-Kamboj": 94.8,
    "Kurdish-Persian": 0.6,
    "Ju hoan": 0.6,
    "Gupta": 4 },

    { "distance": "2.38",
    "sample":"Kapisa-Mom (Kapisa)",
    "Khatri-Kohistani-Sindhi-Kamboj": 89.4,
    "Kurdish-Persian": 3.4,
    "Gupta": 7.2 } ]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kapisa View Post
    Some variation of this one posted recently. Warraich live predominately in west and central Punjab area.
    Punjabi Muslim Jat, half Waraich half Dhillon:

    S-Indian 33.82%
    Baloch 40.4%
    Caucasian 8.46%
    NE-Euro 13.27%
    Siberian 1.80%
    American .84%
    Beringian .15%
    SW-Asian 1.26%

    But you are right the most likely scenario is a recent European ancestry for the two posted earlier.
    This sample is interesting; it's more S-Indian than most Jats in general, but scores more NE-Euro and much less Caucasian than most Muslim Jats I've seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheharslantogino View Post
    I searched around and this sample was posted here before; I recognize it off GEDMatch.com as well. This person's scores do not look anything remotely close to any kind of Baloch tribe, and they are probably some Punjabi with a distant Baloch ancestor on their paternal side, and then some European ancestry in the mix. Nothing remotely similar to any kind of Haryana Jat ancestry either.

    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post651692

    Username Sapporo called the scores out before:

    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post653927

    Also no Baloch tribe would ever score like a Haryana Jat. That's just absurd. Haryana Jats are Hindu and from an entirely different civilization/realm, anyways, so the possibility of them marrying a Baloch is exceptionally rare.

    The only remote chance is this: some people in Southern parts of Punjab have roots in Haryana and Rajasthan, especially certain Jat and Rajput tribes. I've never seen the scores of these individuals, but I doubt they would score like their Hindu counterparts back in India. If the scores from these individuals prove me otherwise, that's fine. But let's say they did score like their Hindu counterparts, and they married a Seraiki Baloch, well that still wouldn't resemble those scores. The Baloch itself is already so low.
    I asked a question because the last name used by some Baloch tribe. Not because I think these folks are Baloch. These results are very odd, and I don't think resemble any caste that we know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agent_lime View Post
    I asked a question because the last name used by some Baloch tribe. Not because I think these folks are Baloch. These results are very odd, and I don't think resemble any caste that we know.
    My apologies, I didn't see your question mark. I apologize if I came off as somewhat nuanced, aggressive.

    Yeah, when I see the elevated Mediterranean alongside the lower Baloch, but in conjunction with the Caucasian, it seems to pinpoint to foreign ancestry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kapisa View Post
    2: Surname: Leghari; SNPs used in this evaluation: 168279.
    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 33.61
    2 S-Indian 23.51
    3 NE-Euro 16.4
    4 Caucasian 13.78
    5 Mediterranean 6.43
    6 SW-Asian 3.14
    7 American 1.09
    8 Siberian 0.77
    9 NE-Asian 0.74
    10 Papuan 0.35
    11 SE-Asian 0.19
    Hard to come up with a Baloch profile like that without partial European ancestry

    Sample: Mystery-Leghari
    Fit: 1.1452
    Results: Punjabi Lahore 50.5
    Balochi 25.5
    German 24


    Sample: Mystery-Leghari
    Fit: 0.8546
    Results: Sindhi 36.5
    Punjabi Lahore 31
    German 23
    Balochi 9.5


    Sample: Mystery-Leghari
    Fit: 0.4695
    Results: Pashtun 31.5
    Punjabi Lahore 22.5
    German 21.5
    Sindhi 14.5
    Balochi 10


    Sample: Mystery-Leghari
    Fit: 0.2975
    Results: Punjabi Lahore 25
    Sindhi 23
    German 21.5
    Pashtun 16.5
    Iranian-Baloch 14

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    Quote Originally Posted by agent_lime View Post
    Baloch tribe that look like Haryana Jats + 10-15% East Euro?
    I've seen these kits before. They are most likely mixed (the Genoplot runs above indicate the same).

    They don't score anything like the HGDP Baloch/Makrani or even Iranian Baloch. Same for most Muslim Sindhis. If I had to guess, they are some type of Sindhi or Punjabi with partial Baloch ancestry + recent European ancestry. Look at how deflated their Baloch score is yet their profile still retains a solid amount of Caucasian + SW Asian and NE Euro + Med that resembles a less EHG but extra ANF shifted Haryana Jaat.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheharslantogino View Post
    This sample is interesting; it's more S-Indian than most Jats in general, but scores more NE-Euro and much less Caucasian than most Muslim Jats I've seen.
    More than likely, this individual's ancestors resembled a Haryana Jaat/Ror shifted Punjabi Jatt (similar to some Jatt Sikhs). That or some bizarre inheritance/genetic recombination. They are likely mixed with some variation of a North Punjab/Potohari shifted type population. That or some other Gedrosia shifted West Punjab population. If you were to model them in Genoplot with a Haryana Jaat/Ror pop + some variation of a Gedrosia shifted NW South Asian pop, I think it would be a strong fit.
    Last edited by Sapporo; 06-24-2021 at 03:01 PM.
    pegasus modeling:
    sample": "Punjabi_Jat:Sapporo_AGUser",
    "fit": 1.1506,
    "IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3": 43.33,
    "TKM_Gonur1_BA": 31.67,
    "RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 25,
    "closestDistances": [

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapporo View Post
    I've seen these kits before. They are most likely mixed (the Genoplot runs above indicate the same).

    They don't score anything like the HGDP Baloch/Makrani or even Iranian Baloch. Same for Muslim Sindhis. If I had to guess, they are some type of Sindhi or Punjabi with partial Baloch ancestry + recent European ancestry. Look at how deflated their Baloch.score is but their profile still has a solid amount of Caucasian + SW Asian and NE Euro + Med that resembles a less EHG but extra ANF shifted Haryana Jaat.
    You're absolutely right. If we create a ghost by removing the ~25% German from this individual's ancestry and rerun the HarappaWorld oracles, we're left with a fairly normal southern Punjabi with a very slight SW shift which hints at some Baloch ancestry, but quite distant.

    S-Indian: 31.11%
    Baloch: 42.01%
    Caucasian: 14.94%
    NE-Euro: 4.63%
    SW-Asian: 3.64%
    SE-Asian: 0.22%
    Siberian: 0.35%
    NE-Asian: 0.96%
    Papuan: 0.41%
    American: 1.33%
    Mediterranean: 0.41%



    Mixed Oracles Distance
    84% Punjabi Malik + 16% bene-israel-jew 2.56
    85.6% Punjabi Malik + 14.4% iraq-domari 2.93
    95% Gujjar No Caste + 5% iraqi-mandaean 2.96
    95.4% Gujjar No Caste + 4.6% iraq-jew 2.98
    95.2% Gujjar No Caste + 4.8% iranian-jew 2.98
    89.8% Gujjar No Caste + 10.2% parsi 2.99
    95.6% Punjabi Malik + 4.4% druze 3.04
    95.4% Gujjar No Caste + 4.6% assyrian 3.07
    96.4% Gujjar No Caste + 3.6% yemen-jew 3.08
    96.2% Gujjar No Caste + 3.8% samaritian 3.09

    Sample Distance
    Gujjar No Caste 4.06
    Punjabi Malik 4.38
    Punjabi Abbasi 5.18
    gujar-pakistan 5.21
    gawar 5.52
    Sindhi Memon 5.61
    Pahari Jatt Kalyal 5.71
    Punjabi Jatt (Pahari) 5.97
    Punjabi Gujjar (Pahari) 5.98
    Punjabi Pahari Rajput 6.01
    Last edited by heksindhi; 06-24-2021 at 03:02 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heksindhi View Post
    You're absolutely right. If we create a ghost by removing the ~25% German from this individual's ancestry and rerun the HarappaWorld oracles, we're left with a fairly normal southern Punjabi with a very slight SW shift which hints at some Baloch ancestry, but quite distant.

    S-Indian: 31.11%
    Baloch: 42.01%
    Caucasian: 14.94%
    NE-Euro: 4.63%
    SW-Asian: 3.64%
    SE-Asian: 0.22%
    Siberian: 0.35%
    NE-Asian: 0.96%
    Papuan: 0.41%
    American: 1.33%
    Mediterranean: 0.41%



    Mixed Oracles Distance
    84% Punjabi Malik + 16% bene-israel-jew 2.56
    85.6% Punjabi Malik + 14.4% iraq-domari 2.93
    95% Gujjar No Caste + 5% iraqi-mandaean 2.96
    95.4% Gujjar No Caste + 4.6% iraq-jew 2.98
    95.2% Gujjar No Caste + 4.8% iranian-jew 2.98
    89.8% Gujjar No Caste + 10.2% parsi 2.99
    95.6% Punjabi Malik + 4.4% druze 3.04
    95.4% Gujjar No Caste + 4.6% assyrian 3.07
    96.4% Gujjar No Caste + 3.6% yemen-jew 3.08
    96.2% Gujjar No Caste + 3.8% samaritian 3.09

    Sample Distance
    Gujjar No Caste 4.06
    Punjabi Malik 4.38
    Punjabi Abbasi 5.18
    gujar-pakistan 5.21
    gawar 5.52
    Sindhi Memon 5.61
    Pahari Jatt Kalyal 5.71
    Punjabi Jatt (Pahari) 5.97
    Punjabi Gujjar (Pahari) 5.98
    Punjabi Pahari Rajput 6.01
    How did you get that hw score for a ghost co-ordinate?

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