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    Quote Originally Posted by thejkhan View Post
    I will be surprised. Gonds have lots of AA ancestry. Pakistani Christians are like North Indian dalits - they probably do score some SE Asian but not much.
    Gond Baloch is too low for any Punjabi population it seems

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyDLuffy View Post
    But I won't be surprised if Gond like people exist in Pakistan. Groups like Banjaras etc. Although I personally think Churah like population has existed along with us since IVC and Swat times.
    The one thing that will distinguish Gonds from every other lower caste/non-AA tribal population in North India is their high AA ancestry. They were probably an originally AA population that somehow underwent language shift to Dravidian.

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    Likely italian with gypsie ancestry:






    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Mediterranean 30.62
    2 NE-Euro 27.99
    3 Caucasian 16.17
    4 Baloch 8.02
    5 S-Indian 6.49
    6 SW-Asian 5.91
    7 E-African 1.68
    8 Papuan 1.67
    9 American 0.74
    10 SE-Asian 0.72

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 italian (hgdp) 10.62
    2 tuscan (hapmap) 13.37
    3 tuscan (hgdp) 13.67
    4 tuscan (1000genomes) 14.03
    5 romanian-a (behar) 14.5
    6 spaniard (behar) 15.32
    7 spaniard (1000genomes) 15.99
    8 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 16.21
    9 french (hgdp) 16.85
    10 ashkenazi (harappa) 20.88
    11 hungarian (behar) 21.13
    12 puerto-rican (1000genomes) 21.88
    13 slovenian (xing) 22.92
    14 ashkenazy-jew (behar) 23.01
    15 utahn-white (1000genomes) 24.23
    16 n-european (xing) 24.97
    17 british (1000genomes) 25.43
    18 utahn-white (hapmap) 25.7
    19 romanian-b (behar) 26.47
    20 morocco-jew (behar) 27.35

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 64% spaniard (behar) + 36% romanian-b (behar) @ 4.39
    2 84.4% italian (hgdp) + 15.6% bengali-brahmin (harappa) @ 4.59
    3 84.9% italian (hgdp) + 15.1% vaish (reich) @ 4.63
    4 85.3% italian (hgdp) + 14.7% bengali (harappa) @ 4.66
    5 84.6% italian (hgdp) + 15.4% brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) @ 4.7
    6 86% italian (hgdp) + 14% srivastava (reich) @ 4.73
    7 85.9% italian (hgdp) + 14.1% bihari (harappa) @ 4.76
    8 86.6% italian (hgdp) + 13.4% kanjar (metspalu) @ 4.78
    9 86.5% italian (hgdp) + 13.5% dharkar (metspalu) @ 4.82
    10 63.1% spaniard (1000genomes) + 36.9% romanian-b (behar) @ 4.84
    11 85.9% italian (hgdp) + 14.1% caribbean-indian (harappa) @ 4.85
    12 84.5% italian (hgdp) + 15.5% up-brahmin (harappa) @ 4.85
    13 86% italian (hgdp) + 14% ap-brahmin (xing) @ 4.86
    14 86.4% italian (hgdp) + 13.6% kerala-muslim (harappa) @ 4.86
    15 85.4% italian (hgdp) + 14.6% up-kshatriya (metspalu) @ 4.87
    16 85.9% italian (hgdp) + 14.1% up (harappa) @ 4.88
    17 84.9% italian (hgdp) + 15.1% bihari-muslim (harappa) @ 4.88
    18 83.9% italian (hgdp) + 16.1% nepalese-a (xing) @ 4.89
    19 86.5% italian (hgdp) + 13.5% up-muslim (metspalu) @ 4.9
    20 85.6% italian (hgdp) + 14.4% karnataka-brahmin (harappa) @ 4.9

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    Quote Originally Posted by thejkhan View Post
    The one thing that will distinguish Gonds from every other lower caste/non-AA tribal population in North India is their high AA ancestry. They were probably an originally AA population that somehow underwent language shift to Dravidian.
    Do we have Gond Ydna and mtDna haplogroup info?

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    This one has "qureshi" in username:





    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 33.37
    2 S-Indian 29.3
    3 Caucasian 13.97
    4 NE-Euro 9.82
    5 NE-Asian 6.34
    6 American 1.78
    7 SW-Asian 1.57
    8 Mediterranean 1.25
    9 Papuan 0.93
    10 Siberian 0.88
    11 SE-Asian 0.79

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 kashmiri (harappa) 5.07
    2 up-muslim (harappa) 7.77
    3 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 7.98
    4 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 8.17
    5 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 8.21
    6 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 8.32
    7 punjabi (harappa) 8.58
    8 sindhi (harappa) 9.16
    9 burusho (hgdp) 9.53
    10 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 9.62
    11 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 9.99
    12 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 10.18
    13 nepalese-a (xing) 10.4
    14 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 10.47
    15 pathan (hgdp) 10.97
    16 haryana-jatt (harappa) 11.24
    17 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 11.58
    18 pashtun (harappa) 12.25
    19 punjabi-arain (xing) 12.26
    20 bhatia (harappa) 13.08

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 91.7% kashmiri (harappa) + 8.3% nepalese-b (xing) @ 2.44
    2 94.6% kashmiri (harappa) + 5.4% yi (hgdp) @ 2.56
    3 94.5% kashmiri (harappa) + 5.5% naxi (hgdp) @ 2.56
    4 94.4% kashmiri (harappa) + 5.6% tu (hgdp) @ 2.59
    5 94.9% kashmiri (harappa) + 5.1% han-nchina (hgdp) @ 2.61
    6 94.9% kashmiri (harappa) + 5.1% chinese-beijing (1000genomes) @ 2.62
    7 95% kashmiri (harappa) + 5% naga (metspalu) @ 2.64
    8 95.1% kashmiri (harappa) + 4.9% aonaga (reich) @ 2.64
    9 95% kashmiri (harappa) + 5% nysha (reich) @ 2.65
    10 92.9% kashmiri (harappa) + 7.1% garo (chaubey) @ 2.67
    11 94.8% kashmiri (harappa) + 5.2% tibet (simonson) @ 2.67
    12 94.8% kashmiri (harappa) + 5.2% japanese (hgdp) @ 2.68
    13 86.8% punjabi-khatri (harappa) + 13.2% nepalese-b (xing) @ 2.73
    14 94.8% kashmiri (harappa) + 5.2% tujia (hgdp) @ 2.73
    15 94.8% kashmiri (harappa) + 5.2% chinese-american (hapmap) @ 2.73
    16 95.8% kashmiri (harappa) + 4.2% japanese (1000genomes) @ 2.75
    17 94.8% kashmiri (harappa) + 5.2% han (hgdp) @ 2.79
    18 94.8% kashmiri (harappa) + 5.2% han-chinese-south (1000genomes) @ 2.8
    19 92.8% kashmiri (harappa) + 7.2% burmanese (chaubey) @ 2.81
    20 94.8% kashmiri (harappa) + 5.2% chinese (xing) @ 2.81




    And her match:





    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 S-Indian 33.66
    2 Baloch 29.23
    3 Caucasian 11.93
    4 NE-Euro 8.6
    5 Mediterranean 4.19
    6 Siberian 2.66
    7 American 2.46
    8 NE-Asian 2.14
    9 W-African 1.97
    10 SW-Asian 1.8
    11 SE-Asian 1.35

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 up-muslim (harappa) 6
    2 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 8.93
    3 kashmiri (harappa) 9.23
    4 punjabi (harappa) 10.24
    5 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 10.41
    6 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 10.44
    7 nepalese-a (xing) 11.26
    8 bengali-brahmin (harappa) 11.37
    9 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 11.4
    10 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 11.5
    11 bihari-muslim (harappa) 11.61
    12 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 11.72
    13 up-brahmin (harappa) 11.98
    14 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 12.16
    15 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 12.33
    16 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 12.46
    17 cochin-jew (behar) 12.72
    18 brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) 12.96
    19 bene-israel-jew (behar) 13.34
    20 haryana-jatt (harappa) 13.57

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 79.4% bihari-muslim (harappa) + 20.6% turk-aydin (hodoglugil) @ 3.36
    2 74.7% up-kshatriya (metspalu) + 25.3% turk-aydin (hodoglugil) @ 3.44
    3 74.9% karnataka-brahmin (harappa) + 25.1% turk-aydin (hodoglugil) @ 3.46
    4 80.7% bengali-brahmin (harappa) + 19.3% turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) @ 3.48
    5 80.8% bengali-brahmin (harappa) + 19.2% turk (behar) @ 3.52
    6 60.3% sri-lankan (harappa) + 39.7% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 3.53
    7 80.5% bengali-brahmin (harappa) + 19.5% turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) @ 3.58
    8 79.9% bengali-brahmin (harappa) + 20.1% turk-aydin (hodoglugil) @ 3.61
    9 71.5% ap-brahmin (xing) + 28.5% turk-aydin (hodoglugil) @ 3.63
    10 79.7% bengali-brahmin (harappa) + 20.3% turkish (harappa) @ 3.68
    11 72.9% gujarati (harappa) + 27.1% turk-aydin (hodoglugil) @ 3.77
    12 63.7% caribbean-indian (harappa) + 36.3% turkmen (yunusbayev) @ 3.85
    13 63.3% srivastava (reich) + 36.7% turkmen (yunusbayev) @ 3.86
    14 79.9% bengali-brahmin (harappa) + 20.1% azeri (harappa) @ 3.87
    15 74.6% maharashtrian (harappa) + 25.4% turk-aydin (hodoglugil) @ 3.89
    16 60.5% caribbean-indian (harappa) + 39.5% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 3.94
    17 50.5% tajik (yunusbayev) + 49.5% hallaki (reich) @ 3.97
    18 83.3% bengali-brahmin (harappa) + 16.7% cypriot (behar) @ 3.99
    19 80.3% bihari-muslim (harappa) + 19.7% turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) @ 4
    20 74.1% meghawal (reich) + 25.9% turk-aydin (hodoglugil) @ 4.01

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    Quote Originally Posted by laltota View Post
    Do we have Gond Ydna and mtDna haplogroup info?
    https://www.nature.com/articles/jhg201442/tables/1


    MP GONDS YDNA
    H = 62.5
    K = 6.25
    O = 6.25
    Q = 6.25
    Y: H-M69 -> H-M82 -> SK1225 -> H-Z5888 -> H-Z5890 -> H-CTS8144 [CTS8144/PF1741/M5498] -> Z34531 (H1a1a4b3b1a8~)
    found 2875 BCE -> Jiroft/IVC Periphery 11459 Shahr-i-Sokte BA2
    mtDNA:U2a1a

    G25 Ancients Dist 0.79 IND_Roopkund_A 51.05 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2 46.64 MAR_Iberomaurusian2.04PAK_Katelai_IA0.19 TKM_Gonur2_BA 0.08

    Lactose Persistence rs3213871 rs4988243 rs4988183 rs3769005 rs2236783
    found -> DA125, Kangju

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    Quote Originally Posted by tipirneni View Post
    https://www.nature.com/articles/jhg201442/tables/1


    MP GONDS YDNA
    H = 62.5
    K = 6.25
    O = 6.25
    Q = 6.25
    And UP South Gonds from the same paper
    H1 59.46
    J2 18.92
    K 10.81
    N 2.7
    O 8.11

    So predominantly H1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    And UP South Gonds from the same paper
    H1 59.46
    J2 18.92
    K 10.81
    N 2.7
    O 8.11

    So predominantly H1.
    Interestingly not much R1a.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laltota View Post
    Do we have Gond Ydna and mtDna haplogroup info?
    Looks like others already answered your question.

    The point I am trying to make is Gonds are the furthest west any AA-like population went in Northern India.

    They are quite unique and there is really no Gond like population further West.

    Phenotype based assumptions should not be relied on, and even then, the higher AASI groups in the North West like Bhils and Banjaras look very different compared to Gonds (the one thing in common being the dark skin).

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyDLuffy View Post
    Interestingly not much R1a.
    is J2 haplogroup from arabia ? wonder how they got it ?

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