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    Quote Originally Posted by ThaYamamoto View Post
    Lol where do you find these people forreal? I saw you post a Pathan with recent African admixture too. I've heard of members of the Asian community in East Africa returning back to India [instead of UK/Canada etc] but rarely ever would I thought they were admixed..if they are they keep it very well hidden / would never admit to it (back in Africa...I dnno whether its 'cool' nowadays to claim it in the West and so they might]. Fascinating tbh.
    I find them on gedmatch.
    You guys just dont look hard enough(though i didnt intentionally look for those samples, im just lucky stumbling on many of them)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jatt1 View Post
    Which calculator exactly are you using?
    It's not meant to be taken seriously. Mostly a thought experiment. Hellenic genomes contain ANF, CHG and Steppe and they are hard to separate from Neolithic sources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agent_lime View Post
    It's not meant to be taken seriously. Mostly a thought experiment. Hellenic genomes contain ANF, CHG and Steppe and they are hard to separate from Neolithic sources.
    Thanks for the explanation. I want to try that calculator, that is why asked which and where to find that calculator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noman View Post
    So, is it basically Gujjar, or just a mixture of Jatts and Rajputs?
    I know how my family also believes that we also migrated from Delhi.
    most chauhan i have seen are gujjars in pakistan and currently everyone is mutt more or less and there is lot of bull on internet , my source are chauhan gujjars from a gujjar village , you can pm me for more discussion

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    Quote Originally Posted by agent_lime View Post
    Are there any Neolithic sources for Greece? I mean the Indo Greek kingdoms didn't show up till early antiquity. Groups hanging out in the same geographical area must have some pockets where this ancestry is still present. The Indo Greeks could perhaps mostly be BMAC/ SWAT/ Iran_N/ Steppe heavy.
    Yes they would be mixed but they would have that unique Southern European/Iberian related ancestry . That Swat H sample had ancestry which could be attributed to Seleucids clearly. Ahmed Ali's granddad also has minor ancestry (5-6%) which is similar, definitely not Pontic Steppe related, because his granddad is not relatively EHG/WSHG rich like Jats , but had similar WHG levels to Jats. Though the one in that Ancient and the modern sample are not like Antiquity Greeks but more like Iberians or IA Italians, Antiquity Greeks and most Romans have a lot of West Asian ancestry before most of it vanishes after Rome collapses.

    Neolithic sources are Greece_N and Pelopenese Greeks
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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    Yes they would be mixed but they would have that unique Southern European/Iberian related ancestry . That Swat H sample had ancestry which could be attributed to Seleucids clearly. Ahmed Ali's granddad also has minor ancestry (5-6%) which is similar, definitely not Pontic Steppe related, because his granddad is not relatively EHG/WSHG rich like Jats , but had similar WHG levels to Jats. Though the one in that Ancient and the modern sample are not like Antiquity Greeks but more like Iberians or IA Italians, Antiquity Greeks and most Romans have a lot of West Asian ancestry before most of it vanishes after Rome collapses.

    Neolithic sources are Greece_N and Pelopenese Greeks
    very interesting - I had begun to see a pattern of minor Iberian/Italian appearing in some of my grandad's results across different calculators, and had wondered where the pull was coming from. Am I correct in thinking that, because its not Pontic steppe related, the more probable explanation is that its greco-bactrian/indo-greek derived?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Ali View Post
    very interesting - I had begun to see a pattern of minor Iberian/Italian appearing in some of my grandad's results across different calculators, and had wondered where the pull was coming from. Am I correct in thinking that, because its not Pontic steppe related, the more probable explanation is that its greco-bactrian/indo-greek derived?
    If you see any Italian Copper Age admixture and corresponding Iberian & Italian samples like what I get, it might be from admixture with Kangju like Central Asian samples. This kind of mix looks different from the Grecobactrian or the Pontic Steppe mix and is much more high WHG which some times produces small hits on Swiss-Roman samples.
    Y: H-M69 -> H-M82 -> SK1225 -> H-Z5888 -> H-Z5890 -> H-CTS8144 [CTS8144/PF1741/M5498] -> Z34531 (H1a1a4b3b1a8~)
    found 2875 BCE -> Jiroft/IVC Periphery 11459 Shahr-i-Sokte BA2
    mtDNA:U2a1a

    G25 Ancients Dist 0.79 IND_Roopkund_A 51.05 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2 46.64 MAR_Iberomaurusian2.04PAK_Katelai_IA0.19 TKM_Gonur2_BA 0.08

    Lactose Persistence rs3213871 rs4988243 rs4988183 rs3769005 rs2236783
    found -> DA125, Kangju

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    Quote Originally Posted by tipirneni View Post
    If you see any Italian Copper Age admixture and corresponding Iberian & Italian samples like what I get, it might be from admixture with Kangju like Central Asian samples. This kind of mix looks different from the Grecobactrian or the Pontic Steppe mix and is much more high WHG which some times produces small hits on Swiss-Roman samples.
    I don't think so at all, Kangju proxy more as your LBA/IA IIr sources eventhough they are from much later in time, thats why the paper could not reject them and why Misnomer's qpAdm had working models with higher P values. They did mix with CA Nomadic groups for sure but Kangju do not harbor that kind of ancestry because they were largely based on the lower end of IAMC in nomadic settlements not in Bactria, where you have Hellenic styles towns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    I don't think so at all, Kangju proxy more as your LBA/IA IIr sources eventhough they are from much later in time, thats why the paper could not reject them and why Misnomer's qpAdm had working models with higher P values. They did mix with CA Nomadic groups for sure but Kangju do not harbor that kind of ancestry because they were largely based on the lower end of IAMC in nomadic settlements not in Bactria, where you have Hellenic styles towns.
    But Pegasus, That place in Medieval era I would bet any kind of mix can happen.
    Y: H-M69 -> H-M82 -> SK1225 -> H-Z5888 -> H-Z5890 -> H-CTS8144 [CTS8144/PF1741/M5498] -> Z34531 (H1a1a4b3b1a8~)
    found 2875 BCE -> Jiroft/IVC Periphery 11459 Shahr-i-Sokte BA2
    mtDNA:U2a1a

    G25 Ancients Dist 0.79 IND_Roopkund_A 51.05 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2 46.64 MAR_Iberomaurusian2.04PAK_Katelai_IA0.19 TKM_Gonur2_BA 0.08

    Lactose Persistence rs3213871 rs4988243 rs4988183 rs3769005 rs2236783
    found -> DA125, Kangju

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    Quote Originally Posted by tipirneni View Post
    But Pegasus, That place in Medieval era I would bet any kind of mix can happen.
    You can't be serious? Kangju type people are non existent by the medieval period,so the odds of that happening are 0.

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